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No surprise, usual NGO types with a chip on their shoulder about those more successful than them and a poor understanding of how tax works.briantrumpet said:If you remember Dan Neidle skewering Zahawi, you might be surprised to see him defending Rees Mogg.
He's certainly interesting to follow - yesterday he was highlighting the Fujitsu/Post Office debacle, and how the PO had paid bonuses to PO bosses for supposedly finalising the settlement with POs, but based on faulty data."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
'FreeAssange' in the bio would be the obvious red flag.Stevo_666 said:
No surprise, usual NGO types with a chip on their shoulder about those more successful than them and a poor understanding of how tax works.briantrumpet said:If you remember Dan Neidle skewering Zahawi, you might be surprised to see him defending Rees Mogg.
He's certainly interesting to follow - yesterday he was highlighting the Fujitsu/Post Office debacle, and how the PO had paid bonuses to PO bosses for supposedly finalising the settlement with POs, but based on faulty data.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Not really sure it’s fair to lump nutters like that in with people who work for NGOs.
NGO types come in all sorts0 -
There's probably a fair degree of overlap. In any event, the point point about having a chip on their shoulder and being clueless about tax still apply."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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Them being a nutcase is probably more important.0
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kingstongraham said:
Them being a nutcase is probably more important.
It seems that the Britain People account is dubious, to say the least.0 -
rick_chasey said:
This is becoming really apparent.
Even in my world the big capex is going on building capacity and capability on the continent.
Currently 3/4 of my work is on the continent and not in London.
Same problem.
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BloodyEll, what would little Hattie Mancock et al do without WhatsApp?0
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There are two points here. Firstly, Meta the owner of Facebook is more concerned about privacy than the UK government, and secondly the country has got itself into a position where a large corporation controls all the communication.rick_chasey said:rick_chasey said:This is becoming really apparent.
Even in my world the big capex is going on building capacity and capability on the continent.
Currently 3/4 of my work is on the continent and not in London.
Same problem.0 -
The government has been largely stationary the last half decade when it comes to tech regulation and it shows.
Govt is complacent and has forgot that having sensible well thought out regulatory and legal frameworks require effort.
It took Blair’s govt a year to sign up the Human Rights bill. Tories have been promising to leave it for 13 years - it’s now been scrapped.
There is just a lack of capability and the legislature is just gunked up with Brexit nonsense.0 -
I could have sworn that you were dismissing Neadle as a leftie with a chip on his shoulder last time. Perhaps I'm misremembering.Stevo_666 said:There's probably a fair degree of overlap. In any event, the point point about having a chip on their shoulder and being clueless about tax still apply.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
I take a view on his comments on a case by case basis: in this case, he was right. If you can find where I said what you claimed about him above, do point me to it.rjsterry said:
I could have sworn that you were dismissing Neadle as a leftie with a chip on his shoulder last time. Perhaps I'm misremembering.Stevo_666 said:There's probably a fair degree of overlap. In any event, the point point about having a chip on their shoulder and being clueless about tax still apply.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The UK is hardly exceptional on this issue.rick_chasey said:The government has been largely stationary the last half decade when it comes to tech regulation and it shows.
Govt is complacent and has forgot that having sensible well thought out regulatory and legal frameworks require effort.
It took Blair’s govt a year to sign up the Human Rights bill. Tories have been promising to leave it for 13 years - it’s now been scrapped.
There is just a lack of capability and the legislature is just gunked up with Brexit nonsense.0 -
Tech companies say otherwiseTheBigBean said:
The UK is hardly exceptional on this issue.rick_chasey said:The government has been largely stationary the last half decade when it comes to tech regulation and it shows.
Govt is complacent and has forgot that having sensible well thought out regulatory and legal frameworks require effort.
It took Blair’s govt a year to sign up the Human Rights bill. Tories have been promising to leave it for 13 years - it’s now been scrapped.
There is just a lack of capability and the legislature is just gunked up with Brexit nonsense.0 -
I don't think meta are the only ones who have raised concerns. Although obviously the amount of communication they control is concerning.TheBigBean said:
There are two points here. Firstly, Meta the owner of Facebook is more concerned about privacy than the UK government, and secondly the country has got itself into a position where a large corporation controls all the communication.rick_chasey said:rick_chasey said:This is becoming really apparent.
Even in my world the big capex is going on building capacity and capability on the continent.
Currently 3/4 of my work is on the continent and not in London.
Same problem.0 -
why?Stevo_666 said:
And we sure as hell don't want to go back there.rick_chasey said:
Yes this isn’t 1979surrey_commuter said:
What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?Stevo_666 said:
If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.surrey_commuter said:Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.
Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.
Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.
in 1979 i was having a great time, the next 2-3 decades were pretty good too
my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
Signal have too, but Signal raising privacy concerns is what they do. Meta don't do that often which is which it is particularly noteworthy.Jezyboy said:
I don't think meta are the only ones who have raised concerns. Although obviously the amount of communication they control is concerning.TheBigBean said:
There are two points here. Firstly, Meta the owner of Facebook is more concerned about privacy than the UK government, and secondly the country has got itself into a position where a large corporation controls all the communication.rick_chasey said:rick_chasey said:This is becoming really apparent.
Even in my world the big capex is going on building capacity and capability on the continent.
Currently 3/4 of my work is on the continent and not in London.
Same problem.0 -
You're aware the EU is pushing similar legislation?rick_chasey said:
Tech companies say otherwiseTheBigBean said:
The UK is hardly exceptional on this issue.rick_chasey said:The government has been largely stationary the last half decade when it comes to tech regulation and it shows.
Govt is complacent and has forgot that having sensible well thought out regulatory and legal frameworks require effort.
It took Blair’s govt a year to sign up the Human Rights bill. Tories have been promising to leave it for 13 years - it’s now been scrapped.
There is just a lack of capability and the legislature is just gunked up with Brexit nonsense.1 -
meta is not concerned about privacyTheBigBean said:
There are two points here. Firstly, Meta the owner of Facebook is more concerned about privacy than the UK government, and secondly the country has got itself into a position where a large corporation controls all the communication.rick_chasey said:rick_chasey said:This is becoming really apparent.
Even in my world the big capex is going on building capacity and capability on the continent.
Currently 3/4 of my work is on the continent and not in London.
Same problem.
meta's revenue is derived from the violation of not only it's users' privacy, but also that of all those it builds a shadow profile on via data obtained from its users and other sources
meta will try to acquire and exploit data about you even if you never had an account with it, let alone gave your permission for it to do so
my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
Seems like the Tories & Telegraph might have their next "War on xxxx" contender...
How many have we had so far?0 -
Meh I think meta has tried to work towards getting people to trust them more.TheBigBean said:
Signal have too, but Signal raising privacy concerns is what they do. Meta don't do that often which is which it is particularly noteworthy.Jezyboy said:
I don't think meta are the only ones who have raised concerns. Although obviously the amount of communication they control is concerning.TheBigBean said:
There are two points here. Firstly, Meta the owner of Facebook is more concerned about privacy than the UK government, and secondly the country has got itself into a position where a large corporation controls all the communication.rick_chasey said:rick_chasey said:This is becoming really apparent.
Even in my world the big capex is going on building capacity and capability on the continent.
Currently 3/4 of my work is on the continent and not in London.
Same problem.
It wouldn't seem to make sense to have to do a load of extra work for a small market, but if they can talk about privacy they can get good PR0 -
See my comment as a criticism of the UK government, not a compliment to Meta.Jezyboy said:
Meh I think meta has tried to work towards getting people to trust them more.TheBigBean said:
Signal have too, but Signal raising privacy concerns is what they do. Meta don't do that often which is which it is particularly noteworthy.Jezyboy said:
I don't think meta are the only ones who have raised concerns. Although obviously the amount of communication they control is concerning.TheBigBean said:
There are two points here. Firstly, Meta the owner of Facebook is more concerned about privacy than the UK government, and secondly the country has got itself into a position where a large corporation controls all the communication.rick_chasey said:rick_chasey said:This is becoming really apparent.
Even in my world the big capex is going on building capacity and capability on the continent.
Currently 3/4 of my work is on the continent and not in London.
Same problem.
It wouldn't seem to make sense to have to do a load of extra work for a small market, but if they can talk about privacy they can get good PR0 -
I’m not going to go down a rabbit hole for an example that is demonstrative of a broader issue.TheBigBean said:
You're aware the EU is pushing similar legislation?rick_chasey said:
Tech companies say otherwiseTheBigBean said:
The UK is hardly exceptional on this issue.rick_chasey said:The government has been largely stationary the last half decade when it comes to tech regulation and it shows.
Govt is complacent and has forgot that having sensible well thought out regulatory and legal frameworks require effort.
It took Blair’s govt a year to sign up the Human Rights bill. Tories have been promising to leave it for 13 years - it’s now been scrapped.
There is just a lack of capability and the legislature is just gunked up with Brexit nonsense.
And anyway, without rehashing the same argument a) Britain isn’t part of the EU so it can decide for itself and b) it does not have leverage over meta like the EU does.
Just because the EU does it doesn’t mean it’s good. They just have the scale to boss companies around and not the other way around.
EU is hardly a bastion of tech friendly regulation either, right?
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Fair enough. Was it Theresa May who said something like, for too long we've left people to their privacy so long as they don't break the law. (A quick Google suggests I'm entirely misremembering).TheBigBean said:
See my comment as a criticism of the UK government, not a compliment to Meta.Jezyboy said:
Meh I think meta has tried to work towards getting people to trust them more.TheBigBean said:
Signal have too, but Signal raising privacy concerns is what they do. Meta don't do that often which is which it is particularly noteworthy.Jezyboy said:
I don't think meta are the only ones who have raised concerns. Although obviously the amount of communication they control is concerning.TheBigBean said:
There are two points here. Firstly, Meta the owner of Facebook is more concerned about privacy than the UK government, and secondly the country has got itself into a position where a large corporation controls all the communication.rick_chasey said:rick_chasey said:This is becoming really apparent.
Even in my world the big capex is going on building capacity and capability on the continent.
Currently 3/4 of my work is on the continent and not in London.
Same problem.
It wouldn't seem to make sense to have to do a load of extra work for a small market, but if they can talk about privacy they can get good PR
Either way, in spite of myself hating the both sides argument, I think this is a general area where both main parties are weak.0 -
On the "who the hell is going to deliver that", it's pretty clear that if you're economically to the right and socially liberal, there is basically no party for you.
Tories would do well to remember the last election they won that wasn't against Corbyn was Cameron who did campaign on that basis.
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Wasn't that the coalition where the Libs backed out on Tuition fees and joined the Tories with Austerity?rick_chasey said:On the "who the hell is going to deliver that", it's pretty clear that if you're economically to the right and socially liberal, there is basically no party for you.
Tories would do well to remember the last election they won that wasn't against Corbyn was Cameron who did campaign on that basis.
It doesn't matter who you vote for, will they walk the walk? Also, it was Cameron who put the Brexit option out there is the first place. Granted with pressure from Farage.0 -
Not only is that true, but it was utterly preposterous.focuszing723 said:
Wasn't that the coalition where the Libs backed out on Tuition fees and joined the Tories with Austerity?rick_chasey said:On the "who the hell is going to deliver that", it's pretty clear that if you're economically to the right and socially liberal, there is basically no party for you.
Tories would do well to remember the last election they won that wasn't against Corbyn was Cameron who did campaign on that basis.
It doesn't matter who you vote for, will they walk the walk? Also, it was Cameron who put the Brexit option out there is the first place. Granted with pressure from Farage.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
In my dream world, it would be the UK government taking a hardline in favour of citizens' rights to privacy, Meta flouncing and threatening to pull out the UK and everyone realising that almost nothing would be lost.Jezyboy said:
Fair enough. Was it Theresa May who said something like, for too long we've left people to their privacy so long as they don't break the law. (A quick Google suggests I'm entirely misremembering).TheBigBean said:
See my comment as a criticism of the UK government, not a compliment to Meta.Jezyboy said:
Meh I think meta has tried to work towards getting people to trust them more.TheBigBean said:
Signal have too, but Signal raising privacy concerns is what they do. Meta don't do that often which is which it is particularly noteworthy.Jezyboy said:
I don't think meta are the only ones who have raised concerns. Although obviously the amount of communication they control is concerning.TheBigBean said:
There are two points here. Firstly, Meta the owner of Facebook is more concerned about privacy than the UK government, and secondly the country has got itself into a position where a large corporation controls all the communication.rick_chasey said:rick_chasey said:This is becoming really apparent.
Even in my world the big capex is going on building capacity and capability on the continent.
Currently 3/4 of my work is on the continent and not in London.
Same problem.
It wouldn't seem to make sense to have to do a load of extra work for a small market, but if they can talk about privacy they can get good PR
Either way, in spite of myself hating the both sides argument, I think this is a general area where both main parties are weak.
We're quite a long way from that at the moment.
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Yes 2010 LDs were more economically right than they are now.focuszing723 said:
Wasn't that the coalition where the Libs backed out on Tuition fees and joined the Tories with Austerity?rick_chasey said:On the "who the hell is going to deliver that", it's pretty clear that if you're economically to the right and socially liberal, there is basically no party for you.
Tories would do well to remember the last election they won that wasn't against Corbyn was Cameron who did campaign on that basis.
It doesn't matter who you vote for, will they walk the walk? Also, it was Cameron who put the Brexit option out there is the first place. Granted with pressure from Farage.
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I saw this describing voters' attitudes to tax and spending, and it seems to be what every party is trying to appeal to.
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