LEAVE the Conservative Party and save your country!

morstar

rick_chasey said:

focuszing723 said:

rick_chasey said:

On the "who the hell is going to deliver that", it's pretty clear that if you're economically to the right and socially liberal, there is basically no party for you.

Tories would do well to remember the last election they won that wasn't against Corbyn was Cameron who did campaign on that basis.

Wasn't that the coalition where the Libs backed out on Tuition fees and joined the Tories with Austerity?

It doesn't matter who you vote for, will they walk the walk? Also, it was Cameron who put the Brexit option out there is the first place. Granted with pressure from Farage.

Yes 2010 LDs were more economically right than they are now.

Because the Tories moved so far left, they got pushed over.

rick_chasey

Sure but they're also back into their old habits they picked up under Charles Kennedy and Paddy Ashdown. Gimmicky policies that are not thought out but are there to get a name drop on a salient topic.

kingstongraham

Local elections done and dusted now.

2019 picture:




2023 picture:

Pross

Why are there more missing Councils on the 2023 map?

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Sure but they're also back into their old habits they picked up under Charles Kennedy and Paddy Ashdown. Gimmicky policies that are not thought out but are there to get a name drop on a salient topic.

When you mentioned Kennedy and Ashdown I thought you meant they had gone back to drinking and sh***ing.

rick_chasey

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Sure but they're also back into their old habits they picked up under Charles Kennedy and Paddy Ashdown. Gimmicky policies that are not thought out but are there to get a name drop on a salient topic.

When you mentioned Kennedy and Ashdown I thought you meant they had gone back to drinking and sh***ing.

Probably the closest you’ve come to voting for them 😜

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Sure but they're also back into their old habits they picked up under Charles Kennedy and Paddy Ashdown. Gimmicky policies that are not thought out but are there to get a name drop on a salient topic.

When you mentioned Kennedy and Ashdown I thought you meant they had gone back to drinking and sh***ing.

Probably the closest you’ve come to voting for them 😜

not that close...

Dorset_Boy

Pross said:

Why are there more missing Councils on the 2023 map?

No elections in Dorset this time for one.
Maps aren't like for like - 2019 looks like it shows all councils whereas 2023 only shows those with elections last week?

Stevo_666

sungod said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?

Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.

Yes this isn’t 1979

And we sure as hell don't want to go back there.

why?

in 1979 i was having a great time, the next 2-3 decades were pretty good too

Not so much what I was up to aged 13, more the 25% inflation, unions holding the country to ransom, crap nationalised industries, UK going cap in hand to the IMF, etc

First.Aspect

Stevo_666 said:

sungod said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?

Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.

Yes this isn’t 1979

And we sure as hell don't want to go back there.

why?

in 1979 i was having a great time, the next 2-3 decades were pretty good too

Not so much what I was up to aged 13, more the 25% inflation, unions holding the country to ransom, censored nationalised industries, UK going cap in hand to the IMF, etc

Thing is Stevo, this time around, there are no nationalised industries left to sell on the cheap to your mates to create the illusion of prosperity. So we kind of need someone capable of independent thought, rather than more Thatcher worshiping posh boys.

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

sungod said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?

Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.

Yes this isn’t 1979

And we sure as hell don't want to go back there.

why?

in 1979 i was having a great time, the next 2-3 decades were pretty good too

Not so much what I was up to aged 13, more the 25% inflation, unions holding the country to ransom, censored nationalised industries, UK going cap in hand to the IMF, etc

😬 So we have ~10%, plenty of strikes, the railways being re-nationalised on the quiet... It's not as bad as '79 but it's not that great either.

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

sungod said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?

Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.

Yes this isn’t 1979

And we sure as hell don't want to go back there.

why?

in 1979 i was having a great time, the next 2-3 decades were pretty good too

Not so much what I was up to aged 13, more the 25% inflation, unions holding the country to ransom, censored nationalised industries, UK going cap in hand to the IMF, etc

😬 So we have ~10%, plenty of strikes, the railways being re-nationalised on the quiet... It's not as bad as '79 but it's not that great either.

Exactly - so why would we want to go back?

pblakeney

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

sungod said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?

Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.

Yes this isn’t 1979

And we sure as hell don't want to go back there.

why?

in 1979 i was having a great time, the next 2-3 decades were pretty good too

Not so much what I was up to aged 13, more the 25% inflation, unions holding the country to ransom, censored nationalised industries, UK going cap in hand to the IMF, etc

😬 So we have ~10%, plenty of strikes, the railways being re-nationalised on the quiet... It's not as bad as '79 but it's not that great either.

The music was better though. 😉

Pross

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

sungod said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?

Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.

Yes this isn’t 1979

And we sure as hell don't want to go back there.

why?

in 1979 i was having a great time, the next 2-3 decades were pretty good too

Not so much what I was up to aged 13, more the 25% inflation, unions holding the country to ransom, censored nationalised industries, UK going cap in hand to the IMF, etc

😬 So we have ~10%, plenty of strikes, the railways being re-nationalised on the quiet... It's not as bad as '79 but it's not that great either.

Exactly - so why would we want to go back?

Because it was the year Thatcher came to the rescue?

Stevo_666

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

sungod said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?

Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.

Yes this isn’t 1979

And we sure as hell don't want to go back there.

why?

in 1979 i was having a great time, the next 2-3 decades were pretty good too

Not so much what I was up to aged 13, more the 25% inflation, unions holding the country to ransom, censored nationalised industries, UK going cap in hand to the IMF, etc

😬 So we have ~10%, plenty of strikes, the railways being re-nationalised on the quiet... It's not as bad as '79 but it's not that great either.

Exactly - so why would we want to go back?

Because it was the year Thatcher came to the rescue?

I'm talking about the time up to that point, obviously

surrey_commuter

First.Aspect said:

Stevo_666 said:

sungod said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?

Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.

Yes this isn’t 1979

And we sure as hell don't want to go back there.

why?

in 1979 i was having a great time, the next 2-3 decades were pretty good too

Not so much what I was up to aged 13, more the 25% inflation, unions holding the country to ransom, censored nationalised industries, UK going cap in hand to the IMF, etc

Thing is Stevo, this time around, there are no nationalised industries left to sell on the cheap to your mates to create the illusion of prosperity. So we kind of need someone capable of independent thought, rather than more Thatcher worshiping posh boys.

How exactly did they sell to their mates?

Pross

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

sungod said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?

Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.

Yes this isn’t 1979

And we sure as hell don't want to go back there.

why?

in 1979 i was having a great time, the next 2-3 decades were pretty good too

Not so much what I was up to aged 13, more the 25% inflation, unions holding the country to ransom, censored nationalised industries, UK going cap in hand to the IMF, etc

😬 So we have ~10%, plenty of strikes, the railways being re-nationalised on the quiet... It's not as bad as '79 but it's not that great either.

Exactly - so why would we want to go back?

Because it was the year Thatcher came to the rescue?

I'm talking about the time up to that point, obviously

That was less than half the year though.

First.Aspect

surrey_commuter said:

First.Aspect said:

Stevo_666 said:

sungod said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?

Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.

Yes this isn’t 1979

And we sure as hell don't want to go back there.

why?

in 1979 i was having a great time, the next 2-3 decades were pretty good too

Not so much what I was up to aged 13, more the 25% inflation, unions holding the country to ransom, censored nationalised industries, UK going cap in hand to the IMF, etc

Thing is Stevo, this time around, there are no nationalised industries left to sell on the cheap to your mates to create the illusion of prosperity. So we kind of need someone capable of independent thought, rather than more Thatcher worshiping posh boys.

How exactly did they sell to their mates?

I made that part up for dramatic effect. In seriousness, it was selling to the people who could buy or had aspirations to buy shares, who were disproportionately right of centre. A vote winner, essentially and in many cases not for the benefit of the consumer, merely a way to sell votes and generate a bit of cash in the short term.

pblakeney

First.Aspect said:

surrey_commuter said:

First.Aspect said:

Stevo_666 said:

sungod said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?

Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.

Yes this isn’t 1979

And we sure as hell don't want to go back there.

why?

in 1979 i was having a great time, the next 2-3 decades were pretty good too

Not so much what I was up to aged 13, more the 25% inflation, unions holding the country to ransom, censored nationalised industries, UK going cap in hand to the IMF, etc

Thing is Stevo, this time around, there are no nationalised industries left to sell on the cheap to your mates to create the illusion of prosperity. So we kind of need someone capable of independent thought, rather than more Thatcher worshiping posh boys.

How exactly did they sell to their mates?

I made that part up for dramatic effect. In seriousness, it was selling to the people who could buy or had aspirations to buy shares, who were disproportionately right of centre. A vote winner, essentially and in many cases not for the benefit of the consumer, merely a way to sell votes and generate a bit of cash in the short term.

Worked for me at that level, and that level only. It wasn't a vote winner.
May as well have cashed in as it was happening regardless.

First.Aspect

pblakeney said:

First.Aspect said:

surrey_commuter said:

First.Aspect said:

Stevo_666 said:

sungod said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?

Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.

Yes this isn’t 1979

And we sure as hell don't want to go back there.

why?

in 1979 i was having a great time, the next 2-3 decades were pretty good too

Not so much what I was up to aged 13, more the 25% inflation, unions holding the country to ransom, censored nationalised industries, UK going cap in hand to the IMF, etc

Thing is Stevo, this time around, there are no nationalised industries left to sell on the cheap to your mates to create the illusion of prosperity. So we kind of need someone capable of independent thought, rather than more Thatcher worshiping posh boys.

How exactly did they sell to their mates?

I made that part up for dramatic effect. In seriousness, it was selling to the people who could buy or had aspirations to buy shares, who were disproportionately right of centre. A vote winner, essentially and in many cases not for the benefit of the consumer, merely a way to sell votes and generate a bit of cash in the short term.

Worked for me at that level, and that level only. It wasn't a vote winner.
May as well have cashed in as it was happening regardless.

At least you stayed true to your double standards. : D

pblakeney

Who said anything about standards? I’m only true to my own. 😉 Did/would you refuse out of principle when it was happening regardless?

rick_chasey

Not really a Tory problem, as they’re just following advice, but it is remarkable how badly wrong the new defence strategy was.

Focus on much smaller forces that are higher tech, less than a year before the first big state on state land war in Europe since WW2.

Doh

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

Not really a Tory problem, as they’re just following advice, but it is remarkable how badly wrong the new defence strategy was.

Focus on much smaller forces that are higher tech, less than a year before the first big state on state land war in Europe since WW2.

Doh

Not sure about that. Ukraine are not defending using mass numbers and heavy artillery. Probably because they don't have it. Western tech is giving them the advantage.

wallace_and_gromit

First.Aspect said:

surrey_commuter said:

First.Aspect said:

Stevo_666 said:

sungod said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?

Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.

Yes this isn’t 1979

And we sure as hell don't want to go back there.

why?

in 1979 i was having a great time, the next 2-3 decades were pretty good too

Not so much what I was up to aged 13, more the 25% inflation, unions holding the country to ransom, censored nationalised industries, UK going cap in hand to the IMF, etc

Thing is Stevo, this time around, there are no nationalised industries left to sell on the cheap to your mates to create the illusion of prosperity. So we kind of need someone capable of independent thought, rather than more Thatcher worshiping posh boys.

How exactly did they sell to their mates?

I made that part up for dramatic effect. In seriousness, it was selling to the people who could buy or had aspirations to buy shares, who were disproportionately right of centre. A vote winner, essentially and in many cases not for the benefit of the consumer, merely a way to sell votes and generate a bit of cash in the short term.

It’s going back a few years so my recollections may be faulty, but AFAIK, the aim of targeting small investors was to draw the centre ground into more right-wing activities (in this case, direct share ownership) and thus more likely to vote Tory, rather than targeting already right wing folk. Logic being the already right wing folk are core Tory voters, with the centre ground being the territory of the floating voters that always decide General Elections.

And spare a thought for those who piled into the privatisation of BP to make a fast buck. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away!

Stevo_666

First.Aspect said:

Stevo_666 said:

sungod said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?

Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.

Yes this isn’t 1979

And we sure as hell don't want to go back there.

why?

in 1979 i was having a great time, the next 2-3 decades were pretty good too

Not so much what I was up to aged 13, more the 25% inflation, unions holding the country to ransom, censored nationalised industries, UK going cap in hand to the IMF, etc

Thing is Stevo, this time around, there are no nationalised industries left to sell on the cheap to your mates to create the illusion of prosperity. So we kind of need someone capable of independent thought, rather than more Thatcher worshiping posh boys.

We're past the 80s now FA...and you should be past lazy leftie sterotyping.

focuszing723

I just think it's a real shame Europe will now be blowing a much larger percentage of their GDP on the military/NATO. Straight on the backdrop of a global pandemic costing trillions.

Look at Germany scraping nuclear power for Gas/renewables. Hindsight can make many decisions look naive. Ukraine giving up their nuclear weapons.

Does Humanity invent anything or is it just discovered?

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

First.Aspect said:

Stevo_666 said:

sungod said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?

Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.

Yes this isn’t 1979

And we sure as hell don't want to go back there.

why?

in 1979 i was having a great time, the next 2-3 decades were pretty good too

Not so much what I was up to aged 13, more the 25% inflation, unions holding the country to ransom, censored nationalised industries, UK going cap in hand to the IMF, etc

Thing is Stevo, this time around, there are no nationalised industries left to sell on the cheap to your mates to create the illusion of prosperity. So we kind of need someone capable of independent thought, rather than more Thatcher worshiping posh boys.

We're past the 80s now FA...and you should be past lazy leftie sterotyping.

Perish the thought 😏

But seriously, privatisation of utilities did provide a boost to the economy and right to buy did open up the option of home ownership, and Sunak or anyone else just doesn't have those options available. Clearly Stop the Boats isn't enough and is never going to happen anyway. So what then?

surrey_commuter

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Not really a Tory problem, as they’re just following advice, but it is remarkable how badly wrong the new defence strategy was.

Focus on much smaller forces that are higher tech, less than a year before the first big state on state land war in Europe since WW2.

Doh

Not sure about that. Ukraine are not defending using mass numbers and heavy artillery. Probably because they don't have it. Western tech is giving them the advantage.

That is exactly what they are doing. They are using more shells than the western alliance can produce.

surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

Not really a Tory problem, as they’re just following advice, but it is remarkable how badly wrong the new defence strategy was.

Focus on much smaller forces that are higher tech, less than a year before the first big state on state land war in Europe since WW2.

Doh

Anybody want two aircraft carriers?

We need to figure out our place in the world because I would argue that the war in Ukraine makes no difference to our defence needs.

I would set an objective of defending the uk and being able to send a fully supported force overseas of 10-15,000.

Imagine the savings I could make by integrating the three services

pblakeney

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Not really a Tory problem, as they’re just following advice, but it is remarkable how badly wrong the new defence strategy was.

Focus on much smaller forces that are higher tech, less than a year before the first big state on state land war in Europe since WW2.

Doh

Not sure about that. Ukraine are not defending using mass numbers and heavy artillery. Probably because they don't have it. Western tech is giving them the advantage.

That is exactly what they are doing. They are using more shells than the western alliance can produce.

I stand corrected if so.
I thought it was the anti-tank and anti-aircraft gear that was holding the Russians back.