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That won't be P&O then, the tax dodging Dubai based DP World owned lot that sacked their staff with no notice to boat in cheapo furrin contract staff, and told the parliamentary committee to F off?First.Aspect said:
...or a reputable ferry operator.
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Fair enough as BJ told business to F off.orraloon said:
That won't be P&O then, the tax dodging Dubai based DP World owned lot that sacked their staff with no notice to boat in cheapo furrin contract staff, and told the parliamentary committee to F off?First.Aspect said:
...or a reputable ferry operator.
Microsoft seeing it in action.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
There's a market driven win-win solution to P&O staffing problems there somewhere, I'm sure.orraloon said:
That won't be P&O then, the tax dodging Dubai based DP World owned lot that sacked their staff with no notice to boat in cheapo furrin contract staff, and told the parliamentary committee to F off?First.Aspect said:
...or a reputable ferry operator.0 -
Mighty fine flounce from Microsoft.pblakeney said:
Fair enough as BJ told business to F off.orraloon said:
That won't be P&O then, the tax dodging Dubai based DP World owned lot that sacked their staff with no notice to boat in cheapo furrin contract staff, and told the parliamentary committee to F off?First.Aspect said:
...or a reputable ferry operator.
Microsoft seeing it in action.0 -
Sometimes its painful watching Hodges work shit outbriantrumpet said:What with both Gullis and the Mail on Sunday's Dan Hodges saying Braverman's gone too far, do you think she might just have gone too far?
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Yeah, stuff I’ve read saying UK has just been first to respond. Seems likely it won’t/ wouldn’t be approved in US either. More time was bought in Europe but could be blocked there too.TheBigBean said:
Mighty fine flounce from Microsoft.pblakeney said:
Fair enough as BJ told business to F off.orraloon said:
That won't be P&O then, the tax dodging Dubai based DP World owned lot that sacked their staff with no notice to boat in cheapo furrin contract staff, and told the parliamentary committee to F off?First.Aspect said:
...or a reputable ferry operator.
Microsoft seeing it in action.0 -
Hodges has a pretty credible theory that she is trying to force her own resignation so that in the likely event of the party getting roasted at the next election she is better placed for another leadership bid. In that case perhaps we should all join up and vote for her...1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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This'll have football supporters flocking back to the Tories.
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Real man of the people stuff.briantrumpet said:This'll have football supporters flocking back to the Tories.
Do you give him credit for trying, or grief for failure to recognise your own limitations.0 -
Give him time.briantrumpet said:This'll have football supporters flocking back to the Tories.
He may one day master how to fake sincerity.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
He'll be devastated as they lost on penalties.0
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I've he's fine, he'll be perfectly prepared for the type of videos that Farage does where people pay good money for a quick video message. Good planning on Sunak's part.0
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I like this interview with Anthony Seldon, headmaster (amongst other things) and co-author of the book on Johnson as PM. Not least as I agree with his mention of Starmer:“If Johnson understood more about classical philosophy, he’d have recognised that an antithesis – being against something – isn’t enough. The country now needs a synthesis from whichever party. The great prime ministers are healers and teachers. They need to be able to tell a story of where they have come from and to where they will lead us.”
Is that leader evident to him?
“Well,” he says, “this is the reason why for the moment Starmer is disappointing, because there is this enormous desire for renewal. But Starmer seems micro when he could be macro, cautious when he could be passionate, dull where he could be inspirational.”
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/apr/30/anthony-seldon-boris-johnson-at-10-biography-interview
I can't see Starmer ever being inspirational, but at least he's not a Tory, and that'll have to do for now.0 -
It's all rather disappointing though. We should be able to produce better.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
They tried one that excited Labour members.pblakeney said:It's all rather disappointing though. We should be able to produce better.
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I said better, not popular.kingstongraham said:
They tried one that excited Labour members.pblakeney said:It's all rather disappointing though. We should be able to produce better.
Although you have to be popular to get elected. It's a conundrum.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Is there any MP across any of the parties who you look at and go, yep they'd do a better job?pblakeney said:
I said better, not popular.kingstongraham said:
They tried one that excited Labour members.pblakeney said:It's all rather disappointing though. We should be able to produce better.
Although you have to be popular to get elected. It's a conundrum.
Angela Raynor's definitely more exciting, but doesn't have the feeling of a safe pair of hands.
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No labour fan but the hope is Starmer is like a Biden.
Spends more time listening to experts and acting on it.
Just a good job would be good. Tbh if he laid out some labour vision for the UK it’d put people off.
After this shower of sh!t I think we’ve all been put off ideological governance.0 -
You're the master of understatement there. She's not even a safe pair of legs if 'Growlergate' was anything to go by.Jezyboy said:
Is there any MP across any of the parties who you look at and go, yep they'd do a better job?pblakeney said:
I said better, not popular.kingstongraham said:
They tried one that excited Labour members.pblakeney said:It's all rather disappointing though. We should be able to produce better.
Although you have to be popular to get elected. It's a conundrum.
Angela Raynor's definitely more exciting, but doesn't have the feeling of a safe pair of hands."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
I suspect our hopes will be dashed on all accounts. His political experience is exclusively during the sh!tshow era.0
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Nope.Jezyboy said:
Is there any MP across any of the parties who you look at and go, yep they'd do a better job?pblakeney said:
I said better, not popular.kingstongraham said:
They tried one that excited Labour members.pblakeney said:It's all rather disappointing though. We should be able to produce better.
Although you have to be popular to get elected. It's a conundrum.
That's why I said it was disappointing. No point in persisting with proven failure though.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
rick_chasey said:
No labour fan but the hope is Starmer is like a Biden.
Spends more time listening to experts and acting on it.
Just a good job would be good. Tbh if he laid out some labour vision for the UK it’d put people off.
After this shower of sh!t I think we’ve all been put off ideological governance.
On current performances, I'd prefer to see Yvette Cooper at the helm, I think - she seems to marshal her facts well and speaks with authority. I realise that "It'll do" isn't the best selling point for anything, but if Labour can send the Tories off to re-invent themselves into something other than an angry, backward-looking party of people who think that government is about winding up lefties, I don't care at this point if it's scripted from focus-groups. It'll do.
But I still find the pre-scripting of everything - on both sides - tiresome, and I can't think of anyone on either side who has been able to show a sharpness of wit without a script that inspires and gives a vision, as both Blair and Obama did (even if they weren't your politics), and on the other side, Thatcher and Reagan did previously. Mind you, maybe Reagan didn't share the 'sharpness of wit' for which I pine, but at least he got reasonable scripts which he delivered well.0 -
Part of me thinks it must be something to do with the modern news cycle, the rolling news channels were bad, but twitter makes it a lot worse.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:No labour fan but the hope is Starmer is like a Biden.
Spends more time listening to experts and acting on it.
Just a good job would be good. Tbh if he laid out some labour vision for the UK it’d put people off.
After this shower of sh!t I think we’ve all been put off ideological governance.
On current performances, I'd prefer to see Yvette Cooper at the helm, I think - she seems to marshal her facts well and speaks with authority. I realise that "It'll do" isn't the best selling point for anything, but if Labour can send the Tories off to re-invent themselves into something other than an angry, backward-looking party of people who think that government is about winding up lefties, I don't care at this point if it's scripted from focus-groups. It'll do.
But I still find the pre-scripting of everything - on both sides - tiresome, and I can't think of anyone on either side who has been able to show a sharpness of wit without a script that inspires and gives a vision, as both Blair and Obama did (even if they weren't your politics), and on the other side, Thatcher and Reagan did previously. Mind you, maybe Reagan didn't share the 'sharpness of wit' for which I pine, but at least he got reasonable scripts which he delivered well.0 -
Jezyboy said:
Part of me thinks it must be something to do with the modern news cycle, the rolling news channels were bad, but twitter makes it a lot worse.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:No labour fan but the hope is Starmer is like a Biden.
Spends more time listening to experts and acting on it.
Just a good job would be good. Tbh if he laid out some labour vision for the UK it’d put people off.
After this shower of sh!t I think we’ve all been put off ideological governance.
On current performances, I'd prefer to see Yvette Cooper at the helm, I think - she seems to marshal her facts well and speaks with authority. I realise that "It'll do" isn't the best selling point for anything, but if Labour can send the Tories off to re-invent themselves into something other than an angry, backward-looking party of people who think that government is about winding up lefties, I don't care at this point if it's scripted from focus-groups. It'll do.
But I still find the pre-scripting of everything - on both sides - tiresome, and I can't think of anyone on either side who has been able to show a sharpness of wit without a script that inspires and gives a vision, as both Blair and Obama did (even if they weren't your politics), and on the other side, Thatcher and Reagan did previously. Mind you, maybe Reagan didn't share the 'sharpness of wit' for which I pine, but at least he got reasonable scripts which he delivered well.
Yes, indeed, including the speed with which any slight verbal gaffe is seized upon as revealing some mental incapacity or hidden plot... it all works against people speaking openly and honestly, or suggesting that they are equivocal or open to changing their minds as events unfold.
Obviously an instance at the moment would be how the post-Brexit catastrophe is unfolding, but no-one dare utter anything suggesting that it might have been a mistake.
I still reckon that if Sunak had any guts at all, he'd make a speech like Kinnock did in denouncing Militant, tell the ERG to booger off to Farage, say that for the sake of the UK and business, the experiment had proved a failure, and say that the UK needs to re-join the Single Market and Customs Union. He could sink cautious Starmer by regaining the centre ground.
Yeah, I know, it's not going to happen, but at this stage, I don't know what they've got to lose. If he lost anyway, he's never going to be poor, unlike Johnson.0 -
Something on your mind?Stevo_666 said:
You're the master of understatement there. She's not even a safe pair of legs if 'Growlergate' was anything to go by.Jezyboy said:
Is there any MP across any of the parties who you look at and go, yep they'd do a better job?pblakeney said:
I said better, not popular.kingstongraham said:
They tried one that excited Labour members.pblakeney said:It's all rather disappointing though. We should be able to produce better.
Although you have to be popular to get elected. It's a conundrum.
Angela Raynor's definitely more exciting, but doesn't have the feeling of a safe pair of hands.
😉1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I think it was more on Boris' mind when she did her 'Basic Instinct' routinerjsterry said:
Something on your mind?Stevo_666 said:
You're the master of understatement there. She's not even a safe pair of legs if 'Growlergate' was anything to go by.Jezyboy said:
Is there any MP across any of the parties who you look at and go, yep they'd do a better job?pblakeney said:
I said better, not popular.kingstongraham said:
They tried one that excited Labour members.pblakeney said:It's all rather disappointing though. We should be able to produce better.
Although you have to be popular to get elected. It's a conundrum.
Angela Raynor's definitely more exciting, but doesn't have the feeling of a safe pair of hands.
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"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
No judgement passed here. I'm sure we've all got our kinks.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Says more about Boris really.Stevo_666 said:
I think it was more on Boris' mind when she did her 'Basic Instinct' routinerjsterry said:
Something on your mind?Stevo_666 said:
You're the master of understatement there. She's not even a safe pair of legs if 'Growlergate' was anything to go by.Jezyboy said:
Is there any MP across any of the parties who you look at and go, yep they'd do a better job?pblakeney said:
I said better, not popular.kingstongraham said:
They tried one that excited Labour members.pblakeney said:It's all rather disappointing though. We should be able to produce better.
Although you have to be popular to get elected. It's a conundrum.
Angela Raynor's definitely more exciting, but doesn't have the feeling of a safe pair of hands.
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Even if she did do that?Pross said:
Says more about Boris really.Stevo_666 said:
I think it was more on Boris' mind when she did her 'Basic Instinct' routinerjsterry said:
Something on your mind?Stevo_666 said:
You're the master of understatement there. She's not even a safe pair of legs if 'Growlergate' was anything to go by.Jezyboy said:
Is there any MP across any of the parties who you look at and go, yep they'd do a better job?pblakeney said:
I said better, not popular.kingstongraham said:
They tried one that excited Labour members.pblakeney said:It's all rather disappointing though. We should be able to produce better.
Although you have to be popular to get elected. It's a conundrum.
Angela Raynor's definitely more exciting, but doesn't have the feeling of a safe pair of hands.
😉"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
