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It's here
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1152026/2023.04.20_Investigation_Report_to_the_Prime_Minister.pdf
Opinions will no doubt range from snowflakery to the devil himself.
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They've been in power for years and have reached the bottom of the talent barrel. He seems slightly useless and unlikeable...rick_chasey said:That and it was ludicrous they had re-appointed him in the first place.
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Well he did appoint him after being a disaster in every government role, so fair enough.Stevo_666 said:
Given the thread that this is in, Sunak would be criticised whatever he did.wallace_and_gromit said:
Raab is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. The only reason folk were agitating for Sunak to act quickly was so they could say "He's not acted quickly" enough when he didn't act immediately. A good rule of thumb is that where objects aren't moving , agitation for swift action is motivated by personal agendas not the greater good.rick_chasey said:
I'd be more inclined to agree if we didn't already have a pretty good idea of how sh!t Raab is.wallace_and_gromit said:
To paraphrase the PM debates in 2010: "I agree with Pross!" Who knows what "real work" may have been in Sunak's red boxes over the last 24 hours?Pross said:I think I'm the only person who felt it was good that Sunak took his time, read the report in full and considered things rather than jumping in on the basis of reading a summary and succumbing to media pressure to make a quick decision. A result within 24 hours seems perfectly reasonable but the media seemed to want a decision within minutes of him getting the report.
None of this is a surprise.0 -
Alex Chalk in as justice secretary - seems like a decent upgrade.0
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Had a skim through the report - it just sounds like he's an absolute d!ck of the sort that you see in high places in offices everywhere. Not sure that he should have been sacked for that, but he shouldn't be anywhere near government because he's hopeless (and a d!ck).0
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That seems like a legitimate issue, but unrelated to the current gripe of Sunak not responding quickly enough to the report when it was published.rjsterry said:
I think the point is more that it has taken so long to produce the report.wallace_and_gromit said:
Raab is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. The only reason folk were agitating for Sunak to act quickly was so they could say "He's not acted quickly" enough when he didn't act immediately. A good rule of thumb is that where objects aren't moving , agitation for swift action is motivated by personal agendas not the greater good.rick_chasey said:
I'd be more inclined to agree if we didn't already have a pretty good idea of how sh!t Raab is.wallace_and_gromit said:
To paraphrase the PM debates in 2010: "I agree with Pross!" Who knows what "real work" may have been in Sunak's red boxes over the last 24 hours?Pross said:I think I'm the only person who felt it was good that Sunak took his time, read the report in full and considered things rather than jumping in on the basis of reading a summary and succumbing to media pressure to make a quick decision. A result within 24 hours seems perfectly reasonable but the media seemed to want a decision within minutes of him getting the report.
None of this is a surprise.0 -
I think Raab has a point about there not being a proper HR process for dealing with this sort of thing, but that seems to be a repeating theme from the last 20 years of Parliament. Muddling through since forever.wallace_and_gromit said:
That seems like a legitimate issue, but unrelated to the current gripe of Sunak not responding quickly enough to the report when it was published.rjsterry said:
I think the point is more that it has taken so long to produce the report.wallace_and_gromit said:
Raab is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. The only reason folk were agitating for Sunak to act quickly was so they could say "He's not acted quickly" enough when he didn't act immediately. A good rule of thumb is that where objects aren't moving , agitation for swift action is motivated by personal agendas not the greater good.rick_chasey said:
I'd be more inclined to agree if we didn't already have a pretty good idea of how sh!t Raab is.wallace_and_gromit said:
To paraphrase the PM debates in 2010: "I agree with Pross!" Who knows what "real work" may have been in Sunak's red boxes over the last 24 hours?Pross said:I think I'm the only person who felt it was good that Sunak took his time, read the report in full and considered things rather than jumping in on the basis of reading a summary and succumbing to media pressure to make a quick decision. A result within 24 hours seems perfectly reasonable but the media seemed to want a decision within minutes of him getting the report.
None of this is a surprise.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Sounds similar to first hand accounts I have heard of previous ministers. Perhaps slightly better. One former minister who is still an MP was extremely vindictive and used do their best to pin the blame on individual civil servants.kingstongraham said:Had a skim through the report - it just sounds like he's an absolute d!ck of the sort that you see in high places in offices everywhere. Not sure that he should have been sacked for that, but he shouldn't be anywhere near government because he's hopeless (and a d!ck).
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Just because it has previously gone on, it doesn't necessarily mean it should continue to be acceptable behaviour.TheBigBean said:
Sounds similar to first hand accounts I have heard of previous ministers. Perhaps slightly better. One former minister who is still an MP was extremely vindictive and used do their best to pin the blame on individual civil servants.kingstongraham said:Had a skim through the report - it just sounds like he's an absolute d!ck of the sort that you see in high places in offices everywhere. Not sure that he should have been sacked for that, but he shouldn't be anywhere near government because he's hopeless (and a d!ck).
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No, but it's weird appointing someone like him and then him having to go because he is who he is.Jezyboy said:
Just because it has previously gone in, it doesn't necessarily mean it should continue to be acceptable behaviour.TheBigBean said:
Sounds similar to first hand accounts I have heard of previous ministers. Perhaps slightly better. One former minister who is still an MP was extremely vindictive and used do their best to pin the blame on individual civil servants.kingstongraham said:Had a skim through the report - it just sounds like he's an absolute d!ck of the sort that you see in high places in offices everywhere. Not sure that he should have been sacked for that, but he shouldn't be anywhere near government because he's hopeless (and a d!ck).
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He may have been a "bully", but at least he achieved fvck all
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
A good article on who the Tories need if they're going to win.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Of course, but what it shows is that it may be more political/personal this time, or that all the other ministers have improved, so this behaviour stands out (a positive thing).Jezyboy said:
Just because it has previously gone on, it doesn't necessarily mean it should continue to be acceptable behaviour.TheBigBean said:
Sounds similar to first hand accounts I have heard of previous ministers. Perhaps slightly better. One former minister who is still an MP was extremely vindictive and used do their best to pin the blame on individual civil servants.kingstongraham said:Had a skim through the report - it just sounds like he's an absolute d!ck of the sort that you see in high places in offices everywhere. Not sure that he should have been sacked for that, but he shouldn't be anywhere near government because he's hopeless (and a d!ck).
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What do you mean, "Not the brightest"? At least she's not got anything to do with education.
Oh, hang on....
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The number of bullshitters willing to go on national television and repeat the flat earth nonsense about the Civil Service conspiring against them is just embarrassing.
The party of never taking responsibility for absolutely anything ever.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
rjsterry said:
The number of bullshitters willing to go on national television and repeat the flat earth nonsense about the Civil Service conspiring against them is just embarrassing.
The party of never taking responsibility for absolutely anything ever.
God, I find all these centrally dictated 'talking points' soooo obvious and tedious.0 -
Bad manager blames staff for own downfall.
Hardly a new story.
His reaction simply proves the critics point imho. It seems he is clearly very hard working and passionate. He needs to recognise that does not automatically make him right, beyond question or effective.0 -
If they sincerely believed it, surely there is no way the PM would accept the resignation.briantrumpet said:rjsterry said:The number of bullshitters willing to go on national television and repeat the flat earth nonsense about the Civil Service conspiring against them is just embarrassing.
The party of never taking responsibility for absolutely anything ever.
God, I find all these centrally dictated 'talking points' soooo obvious and tedious.0 -
He had pledged to resign if found guilty of bullyingJezyboy said:
If they sincerely believed it, surely there is no way the PM would accept the resignation.briantrumpet said:rjsterry said:The number of bullshitters willing to go on national television and repeat the flat earth nonsense about the Civil Service conspiring against them is just embarrassing.
The party of never taking responsibility for absolutely anything ever.
God, I find all these centrally dictated 'talking points' soooo obvious and tedious.0 -
We obviously missed the small print: "... with as little grace as possible."surrey_commuter said:
He had pledged to resign if found guilty of bullyingJezyboy said:
If they sincerely believed it, surely there is no way the PM would accept the resignation.briantrumpet said:rjsterry said:The number of bullshitters willing to go on national television and repeat the flat earth nonsense about the Civil Service conspiring against them is just embarrassing.
The party of never taking responsibility for absolutely anything ever.
God, I find all these centrally dictated 'talking points' soooo obvious and tedious.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
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not really. I have been reading those extracts and they are dull as they do not contain any revelationsrick_chasey said:More fun when you hear it from a fellow boomer, who's seen some stuff.
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Tories gunning hard for the zoomer vote.
https://news.sky.com/story/new-drivers-under-25-could-face-young-passenger-ban-under-graduated-driving-licence-scheme-12864069New drivers under 25 could face a ban from carrying young passengers in their vehicles as part of a proposed "graduated driving licence" scheme.
A revival is on the cards.0 -
If they're going to be that specific, they could restrict it to between 10pm and 4am and get pretty decent results.rick_chasey said:Tories gunning hard for the zoomer vote.
https://news.sky.com/story/new-drivers-under-25-could-face-young-passenger-ban-under-graduated-driving-licence-scheme-12864069New drivers under 25 could face a ban from carrying young passengers in their vehicles as part of a proposed "graduated driving licence" scheme.
A revival is on the cards.
I don't think they are aiming at a young mother taking her kids.0 -
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I think you think they have thought about it more than simply the headline. 😉kingstongraham said:
If they're going to be that specific, they could restrict it to between 10pm and 4am and get pretty decent results.rick_chasey said:Tories gunning hard for the zoomer vote.
https://news.sky.com/story/new-drivers-under-25-could-face-young-passenger-ban-under-graduated-driving-licence-scheme-12864069New drivers under 25 could face a ban from carrying young passengers in their vehicles as part of a proposed "graduated driving licence" scheme.
A revival is on the cards.
I don't think they are aiming at a young mother taking her kids.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Ha yes, I get the logic, but there's an awful lot of logical stuff they could do that they don't for political reasons....pblakeney said:
I think you think they have thought about it more than simply the headline. 😉kingstongraham said:
If they're going to be that specific, they could restrict it to between 10pm and 4am and get pretty decent results.rick_chasey said:Tories gunning hard for the zoomer vote.
https://news.sky.com/story/new-drivers-under-25-could-face-young-passenger-ban-under-graduated-driving-licence-scheme-12864069New drivers under 25 could face a ban from carrying young passengers in their vehicles as part of a proposed "graduated driving licence" scheme.
A revival is on the cards.
I don't think they are aiming at a young mother taking her kids.0 -
Sh!t loads of speed cameras everywhere would work, and also get the bad young drivers off the road once they have clocked up 6 points.rick_chasey said:
Ha yes, I get the logic, but there's an awful lot of logical stuff they could do that they don't for political reasons....pblakeney said:
I think you think they have thought about it more than simply the headline. 😉kingstongraham said:
If they're going to be that specific, they could restrict it to between 10pm and 4am and get pretty decent results.rick_chasey said:Tories gunning hard for the zoomer vote.
https://news.sky.com/story/new-drivers-under-25-could-face-young-passenger-ban-under-graduated-driving-licence-scheme-12864069New drivers under 25 could face a ban from carrying young passengers in their vehicles as part of a proposed "graduated driving licence" scheme.
A revival is on the cards.
I don't think they are aiming at a young mother taking her kids.0
