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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,928
    edited April 2023
    Robert Jenrick: Put simply, excessive, uncontrolled migration threatens to cannibalise the compassion of the British public.


    It's not excessive and the vast majority of it is controlled.

    The usual disingenuous bullsh*t.
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  • rjsterry said:

    Robert Jenrick: Put simply, excessive, uncontrolled migration threatens to cannibalise the compassion of the British public.


    It's not excessive and the vast majority of it is controlled.
    Just to point out that whilst I wholeheartedly agree with you, "excessive" is a wholly subjective term, dependent on definition.

  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,633

    rjsterry said:

    Robert Jenrick: Put simply, excessive, uncontrolled migration threatens to cannibalise the compassion of the British public.


    It's not excessive and the vast majority of it is controlled.
    Just to point out that whilst I wholeheartedly agree with you, "excessive" is a wholly subjective term, dependent on definition.

    Quite.
    I know of at least one person for whom one immigrant is one too many.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,508
    rjsterry said:

    Robert Jenrick: Put simply, excessive, uncontrolled migration threatens to cannibalise the compassion of the British public.


    It's not excessive and the vast majority of it is controlled.

    The usual disingenuous bullsh*t.
    How can it be cannibalism if an immigrant isn't one of us. Surely that's predation?
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,928

    rjsterry said:

    Robert Jenrick: Put simply, excessive, uncontrolled migration threatens to cannibalise the compassion of the British public.


    It's not excessive and the vast majority of it is controlled.
    Just to point out that whilst I wholeheartedly agree with you, "excessive" is a wholly subjective term, dependent on definition.

    The 'uncontrolled' part is such a small part of the whole that claiming it is excessive while allowing several times that number through the visa system is what makes it bullsh*t.

    Like complaining of a small draught around the bathroom window while the front and back doors are wide open.
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  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,678
    Mental.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302
    Here's voice of reason Jonathan Gullis calling out Braverman for unreasonable and inflammatory language.


  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,692

    This headline is just too good not to share.

    I doubt he believes it, much more likely he was told “write something our readership wants to read”. We see regularly on here that ‘blame it on others’ is popular in those circles. I guess it’s like when your football team is doing badly but it is always due to bad referees.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,982
    Pross said:

    This headline is just too good not to share.

    I doubt he believes it, much more likely he was told “write something our readership wants to read”. We see regularly on here that ‘blame it on others’ is popular in those circles. I guess it’s like when your football team is doing badly but it is always due to bad referees.

    Not sure with Heath - he also told us how fantastic the Truss-Kwarteng 'fiscal event' was. I think he's probably nuts without any encouragement.
  • Is Heath or Hannan the biggest nut job in respect of Brexit article for the Torygraph?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660

    Is Heath or Hannan the biggest nut job in respect of Brexit article for the Torygraph?

    Heath for sure. He's unhinged.

    Hannan is just a deeply and fundamentally duplicitous character.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Though I did learn a new word reading Heath: pusillanimity.
  • Though I did learn a new word reading Heath: pusillanimity.

    To be fair to Heath, he does have a great command of language and is very inventive. One can only admire the "Remainer institutional mind virus" concept. Almost as good as "Tofu-eating wokerati".

    And he does slip in the concept of things only being "psychologically impossible" rather than legally impossible whilst in the EU, which is a neat trick.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Ja my limited range of vocab does disappoint me.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,021

    Though I did learn a new word reading Heath: pusillanimity.

    To be fair to Heath, he does have a great command of language and is very inventive. One can only admire the "Remainer institutional mind virus" concept. Almost as good as "Tofu-eating wokerati".

    It's no surprise that he's so disliked on here, given how close to the bone some of those phrases probably are for some people :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Bahaha. Yes, I am infected with a mind virus.
  • Stevo_666 said:

    Though I did learn a new word reading Heath: pusillanimity.

    To be fair to Heath, he does have a great command of language and is very inventive. One can only admire the "Remainer institutional mind virus" concept. Almost as good as "Tofu-eating wokerati".

    It's no surprise that he's so disliked on here, given how close to the bone some of those phrases probably are for some people :)
    Tbh, I think he's disliked because he's an ardent Brexiteer and blames everyone but the government - elected to "Get Brexit Done", "Oven Ready Deal" etc - for the lack of obvious Brexit benefits, rather than the fundamental flaws in the Brexit concept.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,021
    edited April 2023

    Stevo_666 said:

    Though I did learn a new word reading Heath: pusillanimity.

    To be fair to Heath, he does have a great command of language and is very inventive. One can only admire the "Remainer institutional mind virus" concept. Almost as good as "Tofu-eating wokerati".

    It's no surprise that he's so disliked on here, given how close to the bone some of those phrases probably are for some people :)
    Tbh, I think he's disliked because he's an ardent Brexiteer and blames everyone but the government - elected to "Get Brexit Done", "Oven Ready Deal" etc - for the lack of obvious Brexit benefits, rather than the fundamental flaws in the Brexit concept.
    Just seems odd that people can have such strong dislike of an individual journo that they don't even know personally and doesn't directly affect their lives, other than commenting on their choice of food.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Though I did learn a new word reading Heath: pusillanimity.

    To be fair to Heath, he does have a great command of language and is very inventive. One can only admire the "Remainer institutional mind virus" concept. Almost as good as "Tofu-eating wokerati".

    It's no surprise that he's so disliked on here, given how close to the bone some of those phrases probably are for some people :)
    Tbh, I think he's disliked because he's an ardent Brexiteer and blames everyone but the government - elected to "Get Brexit Done", "Oven Ready Deal" etc - for the lack of obvious Brexit benefits, rather than the fundamental flaws in the Brexit concept.
    Just seems odd that people can hav such strong dislike of an individual journo that they don't even know personally and doesn't directly affect their lives, other than commenting on their choice of food.
    Fair point. But Heath projects a very definite personality as a deliberate tactic via his columns, and that personality is decidedly towards the ****head end of the scale.

    He may be a really nice guy in private.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,928
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Though I did learn a new word reading Heath: pusillanimity.

    To be fair to Heath, he does have a great command of language and is very inventive. One can only admire the "Remainer institutional mind virus" concept. Almost as good as "Tofu-eating wokerati".

    It's no surprise that he's so disliked on here, given how close to the bone some of those phrases probably are for some people :)
    Tbh, I think he's disliked because he's an ardent Brexiteer and blames everyone but the government - elected to "Get Brexit Done", "Oven Ready Deal" etc - for the lack of obvious Brexit benefits, rather than the fundamental flaws in the Brexit concept.
    Just seems odd that people can hav such strong dislike of an individual journo that they don't even know personally and doesn't directly affect their lives, other than commenting on their choice of food.
    Not sure you or anyone else should take him seriously. I'd assumed he was published for comedic value. A sort of political Giles Coren.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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  • super_davo
    super_davo Posts: 1,231
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Though I did learn a new word reading Heath: pusillanimity.

    To be fair to Heath, he does have a great command of language and is very inventive. One can only admire the "Remainer institutional mind virus" concept. Almost as good as "Tofu-eating wokerati".

    It's no surprise that he's so disliked on here, given how close to the bone some of those phrases probably are for some people :)
    Tbh, I think he's disliked because he's an ardent Brexiteer and blames everyone but the government - elected to "Get Brexit Done", "Oven Ready Deal" etc - for the lack of obvious Brexit benefits, rather than the fundamental flaws in the Brexit concept.
    Just seems odd that people can have such strong dislike of an individual journo that they don't even know personally and doesn't directly affect their lives, other than commenting on their choice of food.
    So what are your thoughts on Owen Jones then?

  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,021

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Though I did learn a new word reading Heath: pusillanimity.

    To be fair to Heath, he does have a great command of language and is very inventive. One can only admire the "Remainer institutional mind virus" concept. Almost as good as "Tofu-eating wokerati".

    It's no surprise that he's so disliked on here, given how close to the bone some of those phrases probably are for some people :)
    Tbh, I think he's disliked because he's an ardent Brexiteer and blames everyone but the government - elected to "Get Brexit Done", "Oven Ready Deal" etc - for the lack of obvious Brexit benefits, rather than the fundamental flaws in the Brexit concept.
    Just seems odd that people can have such strong dislike of an individual journo that they don't even know personally and doesn't directly affect their lives, other than commenting on their choice of food.
    So what are your thoughts on Owen Jones then?

    Pretty irrelevant from my point of view, haven't seen or heard anything of him in quite a while. Why?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Though I did learn a new word reading Heath: pusillanimity.

    To be fair to Heath, he does have a great command of language and is very inventive. One can only admire the "Remainer institutional mind virus" concept. Almost as good as "Tofu-eating wokerati".

    It's no surprise that he's so disliked on here, given how close to the bone some of those phrases probably are for some people :)
    Tbh, I think he's disliked because he's an ardent Brexiteer and blames everyone but the government - elected to "Get Brexit Done", "Oven Ready Deal" etc - for the lack of obvious Brexit benefits, rather than the fundamental flaws in the Brexit concept.
    Just seems odd that people can have such strong dislike of an individual journo that they don't even know personally and doesn't directly affect their lives, other than commenting on their choice of food.
    So what are your thoughts on Owen Jones then?

    Not aimed at me, but I would say "Terminally idealistic and sneering to the point of being eminently slapable".
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302
    Fair play to any of those Telegraph writers if they can get someone to still pay for it.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,021

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Though I did learn a new word reading Heath: pusillanimity.

    To be fair to Heath, he does have a great command of language and is very inventive. One can only admire the "Remainer institutional mind virus" concept. Almost as good as "Tofu-eating wokerati".

    It's no surprise that he's so disliked on here, given how close to the bone some of those phrases probably are for some people :)
    Tbh, I think he's disliked because he's an ardent Brexiteer and blames everyone but the government - elected to "Get Brexit Done", "Oven Ready Deal" etc - for the lack of obvious Brexit benefits, rather than the fundamental flaws in the Brexit concept.
    Just seems odd that people can have such strong dislike of an individual journo that they don't even know personally and doesn't directly affect their lives, other than commenting on their choice of food.
    So what are your thoughts on Owen Jones then?

    Not aimed at me, but I would say "Terminally idealistic and sneering to the point of being eminently slapable".
    Is that definitely Owen Jones you're talking about? :smile:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Though I did learn a new word reading Heath: pusillanimity.

    To be fair to Heath, he does have a great command of language and is very inventive. One can only admire the "Remainer institutional mind virus" concept. Almost as good as "Tofu-eating wokerati".

    It's no surprise that he's so disliked on here, given how close to the bone some of those phrases probably are for some people :)
    Tbh, I think he's disliked because he's an ardent Brexiteer and blames everyone but the government - elected to "Get Brexit Done", "Oven Ready Deal" etc - for the lack of obvious Brexit benefits, rather than the fundamental flaws in the Brexit concept.
    Just seems odd that people can have such strong dislike of an individual journo that they don't even know personally and doesn't directly affect their lives, other than commenting on their choice of food.
    So what are your thoughts on Owen Jones then?

    Not aimed at me, but I would say "Terminally idealistic and sneering to the point of being eminently slapable".
    Is that definitely Owen Jones you're talking about? :smile:
    Maybe not uniquely Owen Jones, but definitely him!
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,982
    What with both Gullis and the Mail on Sunday's Dan Hodges saying Braverman's gone too far, do you think she might just have gone too far?

  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,508
    The second one seems to be on the verge or saying crossing the channel isn't a safe route, and that they should therefore be sent to Rwanda.

    Presumably the consensus view is that they should use Ryanair, the channel tunnel or a reputable ferry operator.