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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    The solution is easy. If the first six months after passing the test are the most dangerous, then people should be banned from driving for that period of time. Problem solved.
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Rick - you should know - this is similar to how licences are awarded in NL
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,983
    "Only we have the solution."

    Well, we didn't find the unicorns where we expected to find them, so let's look somewhere else, incanting "National Socialism Conservatism" over and over.



    I can't think of two chancers less qualified to dig us out of the hole we're in than these two.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,983
    Well, who'd have predicted that? I mean, it's not like anything like that has happened for, well, days.

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    FWIW I think the Dutch do this alert once a month or certainly fairly regularly.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660

    Rick - you should know - this is similar to how licences are awarded in NL

    Sure, that wasn't really the point I was making, but go ahead.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,745

    FWIW I think the Dutch do this alert once a month or certainly fairly regularly.

    They test the sirens every first Monday of the month at 12:00 (iirc), but not the phone message (unless they're happy to let the immigrants die, couldn't blame them...)
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,678
    Got the mobile alerts a few times in the US when living there. Unfortunately either 3 or the government has seem to have decided that anyone on three doesn't need saving from nuclear war!
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,983
    It really would be useful if we again suffered the hair-threatening 2011 tsunami in Devon & Cornwall.

    A "mild tsunami" along the South West coast was probably caused by an underwater landslide, a coastal expert has said.

    The unusual tidal surge struck the Cornwall, Devon, Dorset and Hampshire coastline on Monday morning.

    There were reports of rivers changing direction, fish leaping out of water and hair standing on end due to static.

    Dr Mark Davidson, from the University of Plymouth, said the surge was quite a "rare" occurrence.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-13955321
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,633
    Be honest, this country does not need it short of a nuclear disaster.
    Our weather is fairly benign relatively speaking. Earthquakes highly unlikely.

    Tin foil hat time. Is an asteroid heading this way? 😉
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,633
    edited April 2023
    .
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,678
    pblakeney said:

    Be honest, this country does not need it short of a nuclear disaster.
    Our weather is fairly benign relatively speaking. Earthquakes highly unlikely.

    Tin foil hat time. Is an asteroid heading this way? 😉

    They seemed to be used a lot in the States for child abductions.

    Given the possibility of vigilante actions I'm not sure it's a great use though.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,477

    Tories gunning hard for the zoomer vote.


    https://news.sky.com/story/new-drivers-under-25-could-face-young-passenger-ban-under-graduated-driving-licence-scheme-12864069

    New drivers under 25 could face a ban from carrying young passengers in their vehicles as part of a proposed "graduated driving licence" scheme.


    A revival is on the cards.
    I didn't know that R plates were only an Northern Ireland thing.

    For the first year after passing the driving test you must display an R plate and are 'restricted' to 45mph maximum speed

    I've no idea how effective this is in promoting road safety - judging by the number of accidents in my son's peer group, not very.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited April 2023
    The story about Sunak's wife having an undeclared investment is really annoying me.

    Granted, it is clearly an error to have not declared the interest, but his wife is so rich she will be invested in pretty much every part of the economy in some way or other.

    I mean, the gains she could make from the alleged corruption are so marginal compared to her existing wealth it's broadly irrelevant.

    Same goes for the story that the royals have had some equity in Shell. No sh!t Sherlock, they have a d!cktonne of money and Shell is an A list FTSE 100 stock.

    If any of you have a bog standard FTSE tracker you'll have invested in Shell.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,983

    The story about Sunak's wife having an undeclared investment is really annoying me.

    Granted, it is clearly an error to have not declared the interest, but his wife is so rich she will be invested in pretty much every part of the economy in some way or other.

    I mean, the gains she could make from the alleged corruption are so marginal compared to her existing wealth it's broadly irrelevant.

    Same goes for the story that the royals have had some equity in Shell. No sh!t Sherlock, they have a d!cktonne of money and Shell is an A list FTSE 100 stock.

    If any of you have a bog standard FTSE tracker you'll have invested in Shell.


    Mea culpa - it's not true anyway.

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Right - I was referring to the care home thing, but yes.

    If you have a lot of money and you diversify it well you'll be in most things.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090

    The story about Sunak's wife having an undeclared investment is really annoying me.

    Granted, it is clearly an error to have not declared the interest, but his wife is so rich she will be invested in pretty much every part of the economy in some way or other.

    I mean, the gains she could make from the alleged corruption are so marginal compared to her existing wealth it's broadly irrelevant.

    Same goes for the story that the royals have had some equity in Shell. No sh!t Sherlock, they have a d!cktonne of money and Shell is an A list FTSE 100 stock.

    If any of you have a bog standard FTSE tracker you'll have invested in Shell.

    A former colleague's wife got in trouble for failing to declare his trades when she was on maternity leave. It was not clear how she could declare them or even how failing to declare them could affect anything given she was on leave, but nonetheless it caused a lot of problems.

    I take two views on this. Firstly, it's quite hard to keep on top of what your spouse is up to when they have loads of money and investments, so things like this will happen. Conversely, you know the rules and you know the consequences, so you need to put the systems in place to comply.

  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,983
    edited April 2023


    I take two views on this. Firstly, it's quite hard to keep on top of what your spouse is up to when they have loads of money and investments, so things like this will happen. Conversely, you know the rules and you know the consequences, so you need to put the systems in place to comply.

    Given the profile of a PM or minister, exactly this, and especially when giving evidence on policy for a particular sector.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660

    The story about Sunak's wife having an undeclared investment is really annoying me.

    Granted, it is clearly an error to have not declared the interest, but his wife is so rich she will be invested in pretty much every part of the economy in some way or other.

    I mean, the gains she could make from the alleged corruption are so marginal compared to her existing wealth it's broadly irrelevant.

    Same goes for the story that the royals have had some equity in Shell. No sh!t Sherlock, they have a d!cktonne of money and Shell is an A list FTSE 100 stock.

    If any of you have a bog standard FTSE tracker you'll have invested in Shell.

    A former colleague's wife got in trouble for failing to declare his trades when she was on maternity leave. It was not clear how she could declare them or even how failing to declare them could affect anything given she was on leave, but nonetheless it caused a lot of problems.

    I take two views on this. Firstly, it's quite hard to keep on top of what your spouse is up to when they have loads of money and investments, so things like this will happen. Conversely, you know the rules and you know the consequences, so you need to put the systems in place to comply.

    No he should get a slap on the wrist for failing to report it properly.

    But this idea that it's deeply corrupt and it's clearly a scam, like they're suggesting on HIGNFY or the guardian is just stupid.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302
    "We're too rich for us to be concerned with making any more money" is not a thing.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660

    "We're too rich for us to be concerned with making any more money" is not a thing.

    Do you know all the companies your pension money is invested in?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302
    edited April 2023

    "We're too rich for us to be concerned with making any more money" is not a thing.

    Do you know all the companies your pension money is invested in?
    I know all the companies I am directly invested in.

    Also, I'm not responsible for any policies that could benefit those companies.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660

    "We're too rich for us to be concerned with making any more money" is not a thing.

    Do you know all the companies your pension money is invested in?
    I know all the companies I am directly invested in.

    Also, I'm not responsible for any policies that could benefit those companies.
    Ah that's a cop out. I would be flabbergasted if you knew what your pension money was invested in.

    So, imagine it's like that but 1000 fold, right?

    So yes, he should have reported it, but the idea that it is a conspiracy to enrich themselves is nonsense.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302

    "We're too rich for us to be concerned with making any more money" is not a thing.

    Do you know all the companies your pension money is invested in?
    I know all the companies I am directly invested in.

    Also, I'm not responsible for any policies that could benefit those companies.
    Ah that's a cop out. I would be flabbergasted if you knew what your pension money was invested in.

    So, imagine it's like that but 1000 fold, right?

    So yes, he should have reported it, but the idea that it is a conspiracy to enrich themselves is nonsense.
    She is directly invested in the child care company.

    I can believe that the idea of giving extra money to childcare agencies over individual providers could easily have been connected to that, even if only because that is what makes sense to someone with that investment.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660

    "We're too rich for us to be concerned with making any more money" is not a thing.

    Do you know all the companies your pension money is invested in?
    I know all the companies I am directly invested in.

    Also, I'm not responsible for any policies that could benefit those companies.
    Ah that's a cop out. I would be flabbergasted if you knew what your pension money was invested in.

    So, imagine it's like that but 1000 fold, right?

    So yes, he should have reported it, but the idea that it is a conspiracy to enrich themselves is nonsense.
    She is directly invested in the child care company.

    I can believe that the idea of giving extra money to childcare agencies over individual providers could easily have been connected to that, even if only because that is what makes sense to someone with that investment.
    At that wealth level nothing is “direct” and is managed by your private banker
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302
    She owns the shares, not through her investment company. I would say it's likely she has more involvement and interest in some than others.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    can you explain how the UK can bloack two American companies from merging? in practical terms what does that look like?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Dunno, EU is also looking at it but they're obviously slower, as are the US regulators.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,983
    edited April 2023
    Hmm, is this a milion miles away from Enoch Powell's "Rivers of blood" sentiment? The difference being, Powell wasn't a government minister. Have we got a Britain First government now?