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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,829
    surrey_commuter said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Wasn't delivering the WA one of the plus points?

    I think we're now down to increasing spending to support the economy through the first wave of the pandemic. And owning the libs.

    and not doing much
    It's a very expensive way to not do much.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,515
    I’m perfectly willing to do less. I’d even have less of a salary demand if that is the main requisite. 😉
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rjsterry said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Wasn't delivering the WA one of the plus points?

    I think we're now down to increasing spending to support the economy through the first wave of the pandemic. And owning the libs.

    and not doing much
    It's a very expensive way to not do much.
    i believe in small Govt so the less they do the better and in the last twelve months they have done virtually nothing.

    Having a coalition is perfect for not being able to do too much

    As for the cost I would give them a £1bn a year to chuck at cronies and then they would not need to give them important jobs and contracts
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,662
    The Ron Swanson approach to Government
    - Genesis Croix de Fer
    - Dolan Tuono
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited September 2020
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/sep/08/coronavirus-uk-update-politics-live-johnson-chairs-cabinet-following-health-chiefs-people-have-relaxed-too-much-warning?page=with:block-5f5795438f08c5bb9a75768a#block-5f5795438f08c5bb9a75768a

    Says something.

    At the time one might have been tempted to view this as hyperbole motivated by politeness. But a year later Johnson told a private Tory dinner that he was “increasingly admiring of Donald Trump” and he went on:

    I have become more and more convinced that there is method in his madness … Imagine Trump doing Brexit. He’d go in bloody hard … There’d be all sorts of breakdowns, all sorts of chaos. Everyone would think he’d gone mad. But actually you might get somewhere.
    _
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,829
    Even Trump has the sense to formally withdraw from a Treaty before doing whatever it is that he wants to do.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    surrey_commuter said:

    rjsterry said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Wasn't delivering the WA one of the plus points?

    I think we're now down to increasing spending to support the economy through the first wave of the pandemic. And owning the libs.

    and not doing much
    It's a very expensive way to not do much.
    i believe in small Govt so the less they do the better and in the last twelve months they have done virtually nothing.

    Having a coalition is perfect for not being able to do too much

    As for the cost I would give them a £1bn a year to chuck at cronies and then they would not need to give them important jobs and contracts
    They have done two substantial things. Agreed a withdrawal agreement and left the European Union, and reacted to a pandemic. I'd say they have messed up both of them at considerable cost (with the exception of the furlough scheme so far which is not messed up at considerable cost).

    I love the idea of giving corrupt people £1bn and saying "now play nice and don't be corrupt with the rest, OK?"
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    kingstongraham said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rjsterry said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Wasn't delivering the WA one of the plus points?

    I think we're now down to increasing spending to support the economy through the first wave of the pandemic. And owning the libs.

    and not doing much
    It's a very expensive way to not do much.
    i believe in small Govt so the less they do the better and in the last twelve months they have done virtually nothing.

    Having a coalition is perfect for not being able to do too much

    As for the cost I would give them a £1bn a year to chuck at cronies and then they would not need to give them important jobs and contracts
    They have done two substantial things. Agreed a withdrawal agreement and left the European Union, and reacted to a pandemic. I'd say they have messed up both of them at considerable cost (with the exception of the furlough scheme so far which is not messed up at considerable cost).

    I love the idea of giving corrupt people £1bn and saying "now play nice and don't be corrupt with the rest, OK?"
    You trade the billion for regulation and a toothy enforcer.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,515
    surrey_commuter said:

    kingstongraham said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rjsterry said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Wasn't delivering the WA one of the plus points?

    I think we're now down to increasing spending to support the economy through the first wave of the pandemic. And owning the libs.

    and not doing much
    It's a very expensive way to not do much.
    i believe in small Govt so the less they do the better and in the last twelve months they have done virtually nothing.

    Having a coalition is perfect for not being able to do too much

    As for the cost I would give them a £1bn a year to chuck at cronies and then they would not need to give them important jobs and contracts
    They have done two substantial things. Agreed a withdrawal agreement and left the European Union, and reacted to a pandemic. I'd say they have messed up both of them at considerable cost (with the exception of the furlough scheme so far which is not messed up at considerable cost).

    I love the idea of giving corrupt people £1bn and saying "now play nice and don't be corrupt with the rest, OK?"
    You trade the billion for regulation and a toothy enforcer.
    Why not simply skip the giving away £1B part?
    Oh, cos those making the decisions benefit. Don't expect any change soon.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    pblakeney said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    kingstongraham said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rjsterry said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Wasn't delivering the WA one of the plus points?

    I think we're now down to increasing spending to support the economy through the first wave of the pandemic. And owning the libs.

    and not doing much
    It's a very expensive way to not do much.
    i believe in small Govt so the less they do the better and in the last twelve months they have done virtually nothing.

    Having a coalition is perfect for not being able to do too much

    As for the cost I would give them a £1bn a year to chuck at cronies and then they would not need to give them important jobs and contracts
    They have done two substantial things. Agreed a withdrawal agreement and left the European Union, and reacted to a pandemic. I'd say they have messed up both of them at considerable cost (with the exception of the furlough scheme so far which is not messed up at considerable cost).

    I love the idea of giving corrupt people £1bn and saying "now play nice and don't be corrupt with the rest, OK?"
    You trade the billion for regulation and a toothy enforcer.
    Why not simply skip the giving away £1B part?
    Oh, cos those making the decisions benefit. Don't expect any change soon.
    why would they make it illegal to accept a bribe? you have to trade them something

    this way does less harm to UK PLC as they can contract with people who own ships and have experience of supplying PPE. They can give Richard Desmond £50m and optimise his development for the good of the local community.

    a nicer way of looking at it would be public funding for political parties but I would still want to see anti-graft legislation backed up by stiff sentences
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,515
    You need to make your sarcasm a touch more obvious.
    I almost thought you were serious there.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Just read in cycling weekly the gov't is planning to ban riding two-abreast, presumably killing off the club run.

    Seriously, what is wrong with these people.
    _
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,829
    No problem. Just break that law only in a specific and limited way.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    rick_chasey said:

    Just read in cycling weekly the gov't is planning to ban riding two-abreast, presumably killing off the club run.

    Seriously, what is wrong with these people.

    First it was the stupid mask rule...
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,031
    A Boris positive - increasing the vocabulary of the population.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Hey Rick, with our descent into a banana republic are you still confident that debt does not matter?
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,788
    TheBigBean said:

    A Boris positive - increasing the vocabulary of the population.


    I'm not sure that 'whiff-whaff' and cod Latin & Greek are going to be of much use to most people. And I think the ship has sailed on 'piccaninnies'.
    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited September 2020
    surrey_commuter said:

    Hey Rick, with our descent into a banana republic are you still confident that debt does not matter?

    My assumptions rest on a level of law abiding competence, but if that is breached then there are bigger fish to fry than the debt.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    Hey Rick, with our descent into a banana republic are you still confident that debt does not matter?

    My assumptions rest on a level of law abiding competence, but if that is breached then there are bigger fish to fry than the debt.
    ahhh, you see I am a huge believer in black swan theory so believe something bad will come along and blow everything off course.

    Trump was planning to borrow $1trn this year now it will be $2trn
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    Hey Rick, with our descent into a banana republic are you still confident that debt does not matter?

    My assumptions rest on a level of law abiding competence, but if that is breached then there are bigger fish to fry than the debt.
    ahhh, you see I am a huge believer in black swan theory so believe something bad will come along and blow everything off course.

    Trump was planning to borrow $1trn this year now it will be $2trn
    Yes you are probably right.

    _
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,829
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Err

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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,515
    Whitewash taken to a new level! 🤬
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    It's nothing to do with the laptop being wiped - that is just good security practice if the laptop stopped being company property.

    The big question is why have the records gone from the server?
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,829
    edited September 2020
    rick_chasey said:

    Err

    They really are plumbing new depths with this. Obviously I have a professional interest and I have been left slack-jawed by some of the admissions so far.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    Rayner: Next time a man with Covid symptoms drives from London to Durham it will probably be to get a test.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    He's what now?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54185180
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    kingstongraham said:

    He's what now?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54185180

    this looks so crooked it defies belief that nobody bothers to ask what they are expecting in return for their £100k
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,658
    surrey_commuter said:

    kingstongraham said:

    He's what now?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54185180

    this looks so crooked it defies belief that nobody bothers to ask what they are expecting in return for their £100k
    Quote from the article, working in the real world helps keep MPs grounded.

    100k for 7 hours a week?

    Grounded?

  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Jezyboy said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    kingstongraham said:

    He's what now?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54185180

    this looks so crooked it defies belief that nobody bothers to ask what they are expecting in return for their £100k
    Quote from the article, working in the real world helps keep MPs grounded.

    100k for 7 hours a week?

    Grounded?

    they are obviously not doing it for his cutting edge brain or the kudos of being associated with him so somebody should be forced to explain why pay him all of that money.

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