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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,834

    Looking forward to Stevo justifying the Rishi hikes on various taxes including corporate tax.

    Why don't you wait and see what tax rises are announced and whether I agree with them.

    Assumption is the mother of all **** ups and you've already made two big assumptions ;)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,599
    edited September 2020
    Stevo_666 said:

    Looking forward to Stevo justifying the Rishi hikes on various taxes including corporate tax.

    Why don't you wait and see what tax rises are announced and whether I agree with them.

    Assumption is the mother of all **** ups and you've already made two big assumptions ;)
    My guess is that any tax rises put forward by the Tories will be considered sensible as opposed to if the same tax rises had been proposed by Lefties that would have been bad for all sorts of reasons ;)

  • A so called Tory crashing free trade talks because he wants the State to pick winners.

    The Times reckons today is the point of no-return in spending £100bn building a train from the outskirts of London to the outskirts of Birmingham.

    As we have failed to find a single thing he has done since election to benefit the UK I would like to set a new challenge.

    Name one traditional Tory Party value that he upholds through his actions (not words)

    Euston is the outskirts of London? I'll admit I sometimes regard zone 2 as the suburbs, but that's zone 1.

    I also think you don't really understand the state aid issue.
    I was thinking old Old Oak Common.

    i kind of get your arguments about state aid but everybody else thinks the sticking point is Boris Cummings wanting to chose State champions so more Beijing on Thames than Singapore.
    It's one for the electorate to decide, but as it stands, the EU spends a lot more on state aid. I'd have more sympathy for the argument if the entire EU budget (not just CAP) and discriminatory taxes were abolished.

    But you are right, I see a need for state aid to achieve net zero and to create future potential market places e.g. autonomous vehicles.
    not sure what you mean about state aid and abolishing entire EU budget and discriminatory taxes
    A discriminatory tax penalises one industry and therefore benefits another. For example, the US is more pro petrol and anti diesel than the EU which reflects the vehicles produced in those places. I'm not sure who would benefit from a financial transaction tax, but I'm sure someone would.

    Isn't the whole EU budget just state aid? CAP definitely is, but I think so is most of the rest of it.

    depends how you want to define infrastructure spending.

    As usual it feels like if there was a will there would be a way around this. I suspect in Boris's narcissistic mind he has engineered a win/win. The EU buckle at the 11th hour making him a hero or we crash out making him a heroic British bulldog who stood up the bullying frogs/krauts.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,823
    edited September 2020
    Stevo_666 said:

    That 80 seat majority does seem to annoy a lot of people in the Cake Stop bubble judging by the number of times it get mentioned here. TBH I'd save a bit of self righteous energy for whingeing as thanks to the fixed term parliament act, you've got another 4 and a bit years of this ;)

    You seem to be confusing annoyance with pi**taking 😉
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition


  • Name one traditional Tory Party value that he upholds through his actions (not words)

    Winning elections.

    Also, he and Cameron have brought back the proud Tory tradition of Eden, Macmillan and Douglas Home of going to Eton and Oxford.


  • Name one traditional Tory Party value that he upholds through his actions (not words)

    Winning elections.

    Also, he and Cameron have brought back the proud Tory tradition of Eden, Macmillan and Douglas Home of going to Eton and Oxford.
    I am not usually one for quotas but I do think that we should have no more Eton educated PMs until we have an equal number from the 3,000+ comprehensives.

    Whilst I am about it I would like workers at the Dept for Education to reflect the people they are representing - ie only 7% privately educated.

    DWP - should be transferred into DC pension schemes
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,834
    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Looking forward to Stevo justifying the Rishi hikes on various taxes including corporate tax.

    Why don't you wait and see what tax rises are announced and whether I agree with them.

    Assumption is the mother of all **** ups and you've already made two big assumptions ;)
    My guess is that any tax rises put forward by the Tories will be considered sensible as opposed to if the same tax rises had been proposed by Lefties that would have been bad for all sorts of reasons ;)
    Another assumption :)

    Some of you lot need a better crystal ball.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Looking forward to Stevo justifying the Rishi hikes on various taxes including corporate tax.

    Why don't you wait and see what tax rises are announced and whether I agree with them.

    Assumption is the mother of all **** ups and you've already made two big assumptions ;)
    My guess is that any tax rises put forward by the Tories will be considered sensible as opposed to if the same tax rises had been proposed by Lefties that would have been bad for all sorts of reasons ;)
    Another assumption :)

    Some of you lot need a better crystal ball.
    How do you know?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,834
    edited September 2020
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    That 80 seat majority does seem to annoy a lot of people in the Cake Stop bubble judging by the number of times it get mentioned here. TBH I'd save a bit of self righteous energy for whingeing as thanks to the fixed term parliament act, you've got another 4 and a bit years of this ;)

    You seem to be confusing annoyance with pi**taking 😉
    Well if pointing out how big the Tory win was is taking the p1ss, let's have more p1ss taking :)

    There is definitely annoyance involved unless those mentioning it are happy with an 80 seat Tory majority. And we know that they aren't ;)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    That 80 seat majority does seem to annoy a lot of people in the Cake Stop bubble judging by the number of times it get mentioned here. TBH I'd save a bit of self righteous energy for whingeing as thanks to the fixed term parliament act, you've got another 4 and a bit years of this ;)

    You seem to be confusing annoyance with pi**taking 😉
    Well if pointing out how big the Tory win was is taking the p1ss, let's have more p1ss taking :)

    There is definitely annoyance involved unless those mentioning it are happy with an 80 seat Tory majority. And we know that they aren't ;)
    It's one of their main achievements.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,599
    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Looking forward to Stevo justifying the Rishi hikes on various taxes including corporate tax.

    Why don't you wait and see what tax rises are announced and whether I agree with them.

    Assumption is the mother of all **** ups and you've already made two big assumptions ;)
    My guess is that any tax rises put forward by the Tories will be considered sensible as opposed to if the same tax rises had been proposed by Lefties that would have been bad for all sorts of reasons ;)
    Another assumption :)

    Some of you lot need a better crystal ball.
    If only I'd used the word 'guess' in my post you wouldn't have needed to point that out. Oh....!
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,834
    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Looking forward to Stevo justifying the Rishi hikes on various taxes including corporate tax.

    Why don't you wait and see what tax rises are announced and whether I agree with them.

    Assumption is the mother of all **** ups and you've already made two big assumptions ;)
    My guess is that any tax rises put forward by the Tories will be considered sensible as opposed to if the same tax rises had been proposed by Lefties that would have been bad for all sorts of reasons ;)
    Another assumption :)

    Some of you lot need a better crystal ball.
    If only I'd used the word 'guess' in my post you wouldn't have needed to point that out. Oh....!
    Much the same end effect when it comes to **** ups :smile:

    Here's a mad suggestion: wait until any tax rises are announced?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,834

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    That 80 seat majority does seem to annoy a lot of people in the Cake Stop bubble judging by the number of times it get mentioned here. TBH I'd save a bit of self righteous energy for whingeing as thanks to the fixed term parliament act, you've got another 4 and a bit years of this ;)

    You seem to be confusing annoyance with pi**taking 😉
    Well if pointing out how big the Tory win was is taking the p1ss, let's have more p1ss taking :)

    There is definitely annoyance involved unless those mentioning it are happy with an 80 seat Tory majority. And we know that they aren't ;)
    It's one of their main achievements.
    It's quite important as you can't really do much if you're not in power. Ask any Lib Dem.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    That 80 seat majority does seem to annoy a lot of people in the Cake Stop bubble judging by the number of times it get mentioned here. TBH I'd save a bit of self righteous energy for whingeing as thanks to the fixed term parliament act, you've got another 4 and a bit years of this ;)

    You seem to be confusing annoyance with pi**taking 😉
    Well if pointing out how big the Tory win was is taking the p1ss, let's have more p1ss taking :)

    There is definitely annoyance involved unless those mentioning it are happy with an 80 seat Tory majority. And we know that they aren't ;)
    It's one of their main achievements.
    It's quite important as you can't really do much if you're not in power. Ask any Lib Dem.
    Sure, it's a prerequisite to achieving something, not the achievement itself.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,599
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    That 80 seat majority does seem to annoy a lot of people in the Cake Stop bubble judging by the number of times it get mentioned here. TBH I'd save a bit of self righteous energy for whingeing as thanks to the fixed term parliament act, you've got another 4 and a bit years of this ;)

    You seem to be confusing annoyance with pi**taking 😉
    Well if pointing out how big the Tory win was is taking the p1ss, let's have more p1ss taking :)

    There is definitely annoyance involved unless those mentioning it are happy with an 80 seat Tory majority. And we know that they aren't ;)
    It's one of their main achievements.
    It's quite important as you can't really do much if you're not in power. Ask any Lib Dem.
    Isn't that the point being made? Other than 'getting Brexit done' it feels like they haven't even tried to do anything with their majority. OK, I understand that Covid coming along has taken up a lot of time and effort but surely the benefit of having a healthy majority, especially when the Party has been remodelled so that many of the more centrist voices have been pushed aside, is that you can push through those tricky policies you've always wanted. People will whinge at seeing things they don't like getting approved but that's democracy - sitting there apparently doing nothing, or even talking about what you plan to do, for the best part of a year just seems a waste.
  • Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    That 80 seat majority does seem to annoy a lot of people in the Cake Stop bubble judging by the number of times it get mentioned here. TBH I'd save a bit of self righteous energy for whingeing as thanks to the fixed term parliament act, you've got another 4 and a bit years of this ;)

    You seem to be confusing annoyance with pi**taking 😉
    Well if pointing out how big the Tory win was is taking the p1ss, let's have more p1ss taking :)

    There is definitely annoyance involved unless those mentioning it are happy with an 80 seat Tory majority. And we know that they aren't ;)
    It's one of their main achievements.
    It's quite important as you can't really do much if you're not in power. Ask any Lib Dem.
    Isn't that the point being made? Other than 'getting Brexit done' it feels like they haven't even tried to do anything with their majority. OK, I understand that Covid coming along has taken up a lot of time and effort but surely the benefit of having a healthy majority, especially when the Party has been remodelled so that many of the more centrist voices have been pushed aside, is that you can push through those tricky policies you've always wanted. People will whinge at seeing things they don't like getting approved but that's democracy - sitting there apparently doing nothing, or even talking about what you plan to do, for the best part of a year just seems a waste.
    He has been PM for over a year and has done next to nothing. As somebody who believes in small govt I see this as a good thing and in all seriousness would put it in the very short list of positive things he has done for the UK.
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,872
    Surely the most important thing on the agenda when they were voted in was to sort Brexit out properly, admittedly there has been a fairly significant distraction but shouldn't they have done a bit more about it?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,834

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    That 80 seat majority does seem to annoy a lot of people in the Cake Stop bubble judging by the number of times it get mentioned here. TBH I'd save a bit of self righteous energy for whingeing as thanks to the fixed term parliament act, you've got another 4 and a bit years of this ;)

    You seem to be confusing annoyance with pi**taking 😉
    Well if pointing out how big the Tory win was is taking the p1ss, let's have more p1ss taking :)

    There is definitely annoyance involved unless those mentioning it are happy with an 80 seat Tory majority. And we know that they aren't ;)
    It's one of their main achievements.
    It's quite important as you can't really do much if you're not in power. Ask any Lib Dem.
    Sure, it's a prerequisite to achieving something, not the achievement itself.
    I think you're agreeing with me.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,834

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    That 80 seat majority does seem to annoy a lot of people in the Cake Stop bubble judging by the number of times it get mentioned here. TBH I'd save a bit of self righteous energy for whingeing as thanks to the fixed term parliament act, you've got another 4 and a bit years of this ;)

    You seem to be confusing annoyance with pi**taking 😉
    Well if pointing out how big the Tory win was is taking the p1ss, let's have more p1ss taking :)

    There is definitely annoyance involved unless those mentioning it are happy with an 80 seat Tory majority. And we know that they aren't ;)
    It's one of their main achievements.
    It's quite important as you can't really do much if you're not in power. Ask any Lib Dem.
    Isn't that the point being made? Other than 'getting Brexit done' it feels like they haven't even tried to do anything with their majority. OK, I understand that Covid coming along has taken up a lot of time and effort but surely the benefit of having a healthy majority, especially when the Party has been remodelled so that many of the more centrist voices have been pushed aside, is that you can push through those tricky policies you've always wanted. People will whinge at seeing things they don't like getting approved but that's democracy - sitting there apparently doing nothing, or even talking about what you plan to do, for the best part of a year just seems a waste.
    He has been PM for over a year and has done next to nothing. As somebody who believes in small govt I see this as a good thing and in all seriousness would put it in the very short list of positive things he has done for the UK.
    Don't worry, there's 4 more years.

    Out of interest, how many past PM's do you think made a big positive impact within 9 months of taking office and if do, by doing what?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Surely the most important thing on the agenda when they were voted in was to sort Brexit out properly, admittedly there has been a fairly significant distraction but shouldn't they have done a bit more about it?


    I seriously think that Johnson considers that he has already "Got Brexit Done", so nothing much else to do...
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190

    Surely the most important thing on the agenda when they were voted in was to sort Brexit out properly, admittedly there has been a fairly significant distraction but shouldn't they have done a bit more about it?

    You could argue otherwise.
    They could spend a huge amount of effort delivering a comprehensive deal which would still not suit a large group of people. Or alternatively do just enough to make it look like they tried, achieve nothing which keeps just as many brexiteers happy as those it upsets whilst taking less effort and having the advantage of deflecting blame.

    If you don’t try you can’t fail. That’s what surprises me most about this government, they are a party with a losing mentality, always looking to deflect blame rather than achieve goals.

    Which is at odds with that majority.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,834
    morstar said:

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    If you don’t try you can’t fail. That’s what surprises me most about this government, they are a party with a losing mentality, always looking to deflect blame rather than achieve goals.

    If that was true they would be much more popular in Cake Stop than they are :smile:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,823
    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Looking forward to Stevo justifying the Rishi hikes on various taxes including corporate tax.

    Why don't you wait and see what tax rises are announced and whether I agree with them.

    Assumption is the mother of all **** ups and you've already made two big assumptions ;)
    My guess is that any tax rises put forward by the Tories will be considered sensible as opposed to if the same tax rises had been proposed by Lefties that would have been bad for all sorts of reasons ;)
    Another assumption :)

    Some of you lot need a better crystal ball.
    If only I'd used the word 'guess' in my post you wouldn't have needed to point that out. Oh....!
    Much the same end effect when it comes to **** ups :smile:

    Here's a mad suggestion: wait until any tax rises are announced?
    And then for hell to freeze over before you actually say what you think about the government.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,834
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Looking forward to Stevo justifying the Rishi hikes on various taxes including corporate tax.

    Why don't you wait and see what tax rises are announced and whether I agree with them.

    Assumption is the mother of all **** ups and you've already made two big assumptions ;)
    My guess is that any tax rises put forward by the Tories will be considered sensible as opposed to if the same tax rises had been proposed by Lefties that would have been bad for all sorts of reasons ;)
    Another assumption :)

    Some of you lot need a better crystal ball.
    If only I'd used the word 'guess' in my post you wouldn't have needed to point that out. Oh....!
    Much the same end effect when it comes to **** ups :smile:

    Here's a mad suggestion: wait until any tax rises are announced?
    And then for hell to freeze over before you actually say what you think about the government.
    Well it seems that the centre leftie consensus is that I'm being a bad boy for not commenting on tax rises thst haven't yet been announced. I'd like to think I have some ability, but seeing Into the future isn't one of them.

    Patience, young liberal Jedi. You should have patience, given how long it's been since David Steel uttered the immortal words to the Liberals 'Go back to your constituencies and prepare...for government!' :D
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Looking forward to Stevo justifying the Rishi hikes on various taxes including corporate tax.

    Why don't you wait and see what tax rises are announced and whether I agree with them.

    Assumption is the mother of all **** ups and you've already made two big assumptions ;)
    My guess is that any tax rises put forward by the Tories will be considered sensible as opposed to if the same tax rises had been proposed by Lefties that would have been bad for all sorts of reasons ;)
    Another assumption :)

    Some of you lot need a better crystal ball.
    If only I'd used the word 'guess' in my post you wouldn't have needed to point that out. Oh....!
    Much the same end effect when it comes to **** ups :smile:

    Here's a mad suggestion: wait until any tax rises are announced?
    And then for hell to freeze over before you actually say what you think about the government.
    Well it seems that the centre leftie consensus is that I'm being a bad boy for not commenting on tax rises thst haven't yet been announced. I'd like to think I have some ability, but seeing Into the future isn't one of them.

    Patience, young liberal Jedi. You should have patience, given how long it's been since David Steel uttered the immortal words to the Liberals 'Go back to your constituencies and prepare...for government!' :D

    Oh good, a quote from David Steel from 39 years ago. Very relevant to the current shambles of a government. You seem to have opinions about everyone's competence except the current government (who have a majority of 80).

    It's a pity Johnson didn't prepare for government.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,834

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Looking forward to Stevo justifying the Rishi hikes on various taxes including corporate tax.

    Why don't you wait and see what tax rises are announced and whether I agree with them.

    Assumption is the mother of all **** ups and you've already made two big assumptions ;)
    My guess is that any tax rises put forward by the Tories will be considered sensible as opposed to if the same tax rises had been proposed by Lefties that would have been bad for all sorts of reasons ;)
    Another assumption :)

    Some of you lot need a better crystal ball.
    If only I'd used the word 'guess' in my post you wouldn't have needed to point that out. Oh....!
    Much the same end effect when it comes to **** ups :smile:

    Here's a mad suggestion: wait until any tax rises are announced?
    And then for hell to freeze over before you actually say what you think about the government.
    Well it seems that the centre leftie consensus is that I'm being a bad boy for not commenting on tax rises thst haven't yet been announced. I'd like to think I have some ability, but seeing Into the future isn't one of them.

    Patience, young liberal Jedi. You should have patience, given how long it's been since David Steel uttered the immortal words to the Liberals 'Go back to your constituencies and prepare...for government!' :D

    Oh good, a quote from David Steel from 39 years ago. Very relevant to the current shambles of a government. You seem to have opinions about everyone's competence except the current government (who have a majority of 80).

    It's a pity Johnson didn't prepare for government.
    Patience, young trumpet teacher. You'll just have to wait until those tax rises come out that everyone seems to want me to comment on.

    In the meantime I'm enjoying a good glass of plonk which isn't bitter like so many on here :smile:

    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,834
    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    That 80 seat majority does seem to annoy a lot of people in the Cake Stop bubble judging by the number of times it get mentioned here. TBH I'd save a bit of self righteous energy for whingeing as thanks to the fixed term parliament act, you've got another 4 and a bit years of this ;)

    You seem to be confusing annoyance with pi**taking 😉
    Well if pointing out how big the Tory win was is taking the p1ss, let's have more p1ss taking :)

    There is definitely annoyance involved unless those mentioning it are happy with an 80 seat Tory majority. And we know that they aren't ;)
    It's one of their main achievements.
    It's quite important as you can't really do much if you're not in power. Ask any Lib Dem.
    Isn't that the point being made? Other than 'getting Brexit done' it feels like they haven't even tried to do anything with their majority. OK, I understand that Covid coming along has taken up a lot of time and effort but surely the benefit of having a healthy majority, especially when the Party has been remodelled so that many of the more centrist voices have been pushed aside, is that you can push through those tricky policies you've always wanted. People will whinge at seeing things they don't like getting approved but that's democracy - sitting there apparently doing nothing, or even talking about what you plan to do, for the best part of a year just seems a waste.
    I suppose all those centrist voices (aka the Lib Dems) need to do is become electable. As Ed Davey said after being elected then latest leader of the 'dirty dozen', the Lib Dems need to start listening and become relevant to people. Which is kind of admitting that they didn't listen and were irrelevant. As I've been saying on her for a while...
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Looking forward to Stevo justifying the Rishi hikes on various taxes including corporate tax.

    Why don't you wait and see what tax rises are announced and whether I agree with them.

    Assumption is the mother of all **** ups and you've already made two big assumptions ;)
    My guess is that any tax rises put forward by the Tories will be considered sensible as opposed to if the same tax rises had been proposed by Lefties that would have been bad for all sorts of reasons ;)
    Another assumption :)

    Some of you lot need a better crystal ball.
    If only I'd used the word 'guess' in my post you wouldn't have needed to point that out. Oh....!
    Much the same end effect when it comes to **** ups :smile:

    Here's a mad suggestion: wait until any tax rises are announced?
    And then for hell to freeze over before you actually say what you think about the government.
    Well it seems that the centre leftie consensus is that I'm being a bad boy for not commenting on tax rises thst haven't yet been announced. I'd like to think I have some ability, but seeing Into the future isn't one of them.

    Patience, young liberal Jedi. You should have patience, given how long it's been since David Steel uttered the immortal words to the Liberals 'Go back to your constituencies and prepare...for government!' :D

    Oh good, a quote from David Steel from 39 years ago. Very relevant to the current shambles of a government. You seem to have opinions about everyone's competence except the current government (who have a majority of 80).

    It's a pity Johnson didn't prepare for government.
    Patience, young trumpet teacher. You'll just have to wait until those tax rises come out that everyone seems to want me to comment on.

    In the meantime I'm enjoying a good glass of plonk which isn't bitter like so many on here :smile:


    You seem to be confusing bitterness with amusement at your continued obfuscation and evasion.
  • Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    That 80 seat majority does seem to annoy a lot of people in the Cake Stop bubble judging by the number of times it get mentioned here. TBH I'd save a bit of self righteous energy for whingeing as thanks to the fixed term parliament act, you've got another 4 and a bit years of this ;)

    You seem to be confusing annoyance with pi**taking 😉
    Well if pointing out how big the Tory win was is taking the p1ss, let's have more p1ss taking :)

    There is definitely annoyance involved unless those mentioning it are happy with an 80 seat Tory majority. And we know that they aren't ;)
    It's one of their main achievements.
    It's quite important as you can't really do much if you're not in power. Ask any Lib Dem.
    Isn't that the point being made? Other than 'getting Brexit done' it feels like they haven't even tried to do anything with their majority. OK, I understand that Covid coming along has taken up a lot of time and effort but surely the benefit of having a healthy majority, especially when the Party has been remodelled so that many of the more centrist voices have been pushed aside, is that you can push through those tricky policies you've always wanted. People will whinge at seeing things they don't like getting approved but that's democracy - sitting there apparently doing nothing, or even talking about what you plan to do, for the best part of a year just seems a waste.
    He has been PM for over a year and has done next to nothing. As somebody who believes in small govt I see this as a good thing and in all seriousness would put it in the very short list of positive things he has done for the UK.
    Don't worry, there's 4 more years.

    Out of interest, how many past PM's do you think made a big positive impact within 9 months of taking office and if do, by doing what?
    I would have to Google and frankly can’t be bothered. The mantra always used to be that you did the unpopular stuff early to give the electorate time to forget about it.

    Anyway I am serious, the less they do the better.
  • A fair bit of baiting going on so can I side with SteveO and point out that he has always been unequivocal on levels of taxation in general and corporation tax in particular.

    Indeed the stats would suggest that if Rishi wants to raise taxation then he should make corporation tax more competitive and reduce the distorting effects of high marginal income tax rates.

    I may be misremembering but I think he was in favour of a massive reduction in IHT so people paid it rather than paying to avoid it.