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  • Dorset_BoyDorset_Boy Posts: 2,741
    Think the Russians laundered a bit in Europe's top ski resorts and other holiday spots too.
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 10,855
    David Aaronovitch in The Times today really not impressed by Evgeny Lebedev being ennobled: "This Gatsby de nos jours is not, as far as I can tell, a bad man. It’s not his fault that his main qualification in life has been his father’s wealth. But he no more deserves a place in the British legislature than your uncle Cedric. "

    And Claire Fox, ex Revolutionary Communist?

    "Last year Ms Fox won a seat as an MEP. The problem was that her constituency, North West England, included the town of Warrington. In 1993 the liberation warriors of the IRA had exploded a bomb in the town centre killing two young boys, Tim Parry and Johnathan Ball. In the wake of that bombing the Parry family helped to start a peace movement. The RCP’s “response to Warrington” was to support the attack — “we defend the right of the Irish people to take whatever measures are necessary in their struggle for freedom” — and to decry the peace movement. They even attempted to disrupt a commemoration held that month in Hyde Park.

    That was 27 years ago. It’s not prehistory. My eldest daughter is the same age as Johnathan Ball would have been. But in the years since then Claire Fox has never regretted, resiled from or apologised for her stance at the time. Before her election last year she merely said that “I don’t hold those views any more because there is no war going on in Ireland any more”. Adding, “my personal politics and views are well known . . . though on this issue they have remained unaired for many years.” They have, have they? Orwell would have admired the use of the passive tense there.

    And the prime minister? He who castigated Corbyn over the IRA? According to No 10 this week Ms Fox “has addressed her historic comments about the Troubles”. Historic comments! Any weasel would be proud of that euphemism."

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/57e36116-d734-11ea-8f95-6d813022b2d7
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 49,400 Lives Here
    Yeah it’s rotten.

    Also noticed Tories removed the stipulation that a certain proportion of new housing developments must be ‘affordable’ (trivial pet hate of mine that term). 🤨
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 49,400 Lives Here
    https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14946

    £17bn lost on a fat finger trade by the govt.

    No accountability. No comeback. Just swept under the carpet.
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 10,945

    https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14946

    £17bn lost on a fat finger trade by the govt.

    No accountability. No comeback. Just swept under the carpet.

    Any idea why they did not remove it for everybody - so saving money and allowing them to laugh at a Pyrrhic victory
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 10,855

    https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14946

    £17bn lost on a fat finger trade by the govt.

    No accountability. No comeback. Just swept under the carpet.

    Any idea why they did not remove it for everybody - so saving money and allowing them to laugh at a Pyrrhic victory
    Are you really asking why didn't the Conservative government do something that takes something away from older voters?
    I'm winking at it.
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 10,356
    How does the government get to discriminate by age for other things e.g. minimum wage?
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 10,855

    How does the government get to discriminate by age for other things e.g. minimum wage?

    It's argued that a lower rate encourages employment of younger people, which is a legitimate aim.
    I'm winking at it.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 17,791
    Young individuals aren't in a position to take the government to court and don't have the support of unions.
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  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 12,211

    How does the government get to discriminate by age for other things e.g. minimum wage?

    My guess would be that no one has properly challenged it. As the judges and firefighters did in the report above.
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  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 10,356

    How does the government get to discriminate by age for other things e.g. minimum wage?

    It's argued that a lower rate encourages employment of younger people, which is a legitimate aim.
    I've heard the justification, I just don't understand how it fits with the legislation. I doubt it would be possible to, for example, pay women less to become refuse collectors on the basis that it would encourage employment of women.
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 10,855

    How does the government get to discriminate by age for other things e.g. minimum wage?

    It's argued that a lower rate encourages employment of younger people, which is a legitimate aim.
    I've heard the justification, I just don't understand how it fits with the legislation. I doubt it would be possible to, for example, pay women less to become refuse collectors on the basis that it would encourage employment of women.
    True. The other justifications are that it somewhat encourages young people to stay in education, and young people's living expenses are lower. The second justification wouldn't achieve any legitimate aim, but the first might.
    I'm winking at it.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 17,791
    Looks like even his own MPs are losing patience with Johnson. An article by Isabel Hardman.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/16/tory-mps-have-given-their-leaders-the-benefit-of-the-doubt-until-now

    One MP describes him as "w***ing into the void".
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  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 6,513
    rjsterry said:

    Looks like even his own MPs are losing patience with Johnson. An article by Isabel Hardman.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/16/tory-mps-have-given-their-leaders-the-benefit-of-the-doubt-until-now

    One MP describes him as "w***ing into the void".

    Not surprising. BloJo (and for the benefit of any reader who does not find that funny, it's not funny, it's derogatory, see what I did there?) is a lying devious narcissist [email protected] whose seed unfortunately has penetrated all our lives, not just the mini harem of females who have borne an unspecified number of mini FatBos
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 12,211
    orraloon said:

    rjsterry said:

    Looks like even his own MPs are losing patience with Johnson. An article by Isabel Hardman.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/16/tory-mps-have-given-their-leaders-the-benefit-of-the-doubt-until-now

    One MP describes him as "w***ing into the void".

    Not surprising. BloJo (and for the benefit of any reader who does not find that funny, it's not funny, it's derogatory, see what I did there?) is a lying devious narcissist [email protected] whose seed unfortunately has penetrated all our lives, not just the mini harem of females who have borne an unspecified number of mini FatBos
    You missed out the alleged biscuits. 😉
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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 41,478
    orraloon said:

    rjsterry said:

    Looks like even his own MPs are losing patience with Johnson. An article by Isabel Hardman.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/16/tory-mps-have-given-their-leaders-the-benefit-of-the-doubt-until-now

    One MP describes him as "w***ing into the void".

    Not surprising. BloJo (and for the benefit of any reader who does not find that funny, it's not funny, it's derogatory, see what I did there?) is a lying devious narcissist [email protected] whose seed unfortunately has penetrated all our lives, not just the mini harem of females who have borne an unspecified number of mini FatBos
    Conventional wisdom would have us believe that the bitterest substance known to man is denatonium bezoate (Bitrex). We were wrong - it's the bile of Orraloon ;)
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  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 6,513
    Come on then Tory boy, set out precisely the plus points for the dUK having Wank4rBo as PM.
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 41,478
    orraloon said:

    Come on then Tory boy, set out precisely the plus points for the dUK having Wank4rBo as PM.

    My point is how bitter you seem to be. Cheer up, it could have been Magic Grandpa in charge, propped up by Wee Jimmy Krankie.
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  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 6,513
    And there you have it. Nul points for BloJo. Even from ToryBoy. Strange days, most peculiar.
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 41,478
    orraloon said:

    And there you have it. 80 seat majority for BloJo.

    FTFY.

    You saying you preferred the alternative? :D
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  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 10,855
    Stevo_666 said:

    orraloon said:

    Come on then Tory boy, set out precisely the plus points for the dUK having Wank4rBo as PM.

    My point is how bitter you seem to be. Cheer up, it could have been Magic Grandpa in charge, propped up by Wee Jimmy Krankie.
    I hear Barcelona are trying to say it would have been worse with Corbyn in charge.
    I'm winking at it.
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 41,478

    Stevo_666 said:

    orraloon said:

    Come on then Tory boy, set out precisely the plus points for the dUK having Wank4rBo as PM.

    My point is how bitter you seem to be. Cheer up, it could have been Magic Grandpa in charge, propped up by Wee Jimmy Krankie.
    I hear Barcelona are trying to say it would have been worse with Corbyn in charge.
    And your dream team out of the available choices would be...?
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  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 10,855
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    orraloon said:

    Come on then Tory boy, set out precisely the plus points for the dUK having Wank4rBo as PM.

    My point is how bitter you seem to be. Cheer up, it could have been Magic Grandpa in charge, propped up by Wee Jimmy Krankie.
    I hear Barcelona are trying to say it would have been worse with Corbyn in charge.
    And your dream team out of the available choices would be...?
    I'm winking at it.
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 41,478
    So basically what you and Looneybin are saying by not answering my question about a viable alternative is that he's bad, but the best of a bad bunch?
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  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 4,757
    Stevo_666 said:

    So basically what you and Looneybin are saying by not answering my question about a viable alternative is that he's bad, but the best of a bad bunch?


    Come on, Stevo, you're the one avoiding admitting that the Government is incompetent. Even Jeremy Warner has seen the light. It's in the Telegraph, so it must be true. Go, on, you can do it. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/08/16/has-become-britain-cannot-get-covid-strategy-right/
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 10,855
    Stevo_666 said:

    So basically what you and Looneybin are saying by not answering my question about a viable alternative is that he's bad, but the best of a bad bunch?

    No.

    No idea if Corbyn would be better or not, but I can honestly say I never voted for him. Given a binary choice, I might have.

    Viable alternatives who would be preferable? Off the top of my head, only of people who have tried: Hunt, May, Starmer, Burnham.
    I'm winking at it.
  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 6,513
    orraloon said:

    Come on then Tory boy, set out precisely the plus points for the dUK having Wank4rBo as PM.

    It's all gone quiet. C'mon Toryboy JATFQ.

  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 41,478
    orraloon said:

    orraloon said:

    Come on then Tory boy, set out precisely the plus points for the dUK having Wank4rBo as PM.

    It's all gone quiet. C'mon Toryboy JATFQ.

    My point above was how bitter you seem to be. Thanks for supplying more evidence ;)
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  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 10,855
    So does Williamson go (again)?
    I'm winking at it.
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