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Me neither, but if not us then who?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Depends if you see tax as a social obligation or punishment tbh.Stevo_666 said:
Spending argument aside, that is only one side of the coin. How they tax us to finance that is relevant and Labour still treats people me like as the enemy.Jeremy.89 said:
Surely if the outcome of winning the argument and not the election is that your policies get implemented, you'd rather your side lost!Stevo_666 said:
I guess they would have won the election if that had been the case. But even if you were right, I'd prefer them to win the argument and lose the election rather than the other way aoundJeremy.89 said:
Well labour did win the argument!surrey_commuter said:
It was £60bn before C19 and planned to stay there for five years.Stevo_666 said:
Exceptional circumstances?surrey_commuter said:
would not look out of place with a red rosetteStevo_666 said:
I am. The only person who is the chancellor is Rishi Sunak. Theres a Labour shadow chancellor but that's different.surrey_commuter said:
Are you sure?Stevo_666 said:
There aren't any currently so no needsurrey_commuter said:
You will have to find another angle to slate Labour chancellorsStevo_666 said:
So basically you're saying its dead easy to be a Labour chancellor.rick_chasey said:
It’s easy to be a chancellor who opens the taps....rjsterry said:OK, maybe Sunak isn't quite as competent as I thought. Who drops hints of a SDLT holiday in an attempt to boost the property market?
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If a cat lives in a kennel is it a dog
I remember when you would have agreed that was treasonous behaviour.0 -
Which will in turn depend on to what degree I see the amounts levied on me as reasonable or not.rick_chasey said:
Depends if you see tax as a social obligation or punishment tbh.Stevo_666 said:
Spending argument aside, that is only one side of the coin. How they tax us to finance that is relevant and Labour still treats people me like as the enemy.Jeremy.89 said:
Surely if the outcome of winning the argument and not the election is that your policies get implemented, you'd rather your side lost!Stevo_666 said:
I guess they would have won the election if that had been the case. But even if you were right, I'd prefer them to win the argument and lose the election rather than the other way aoundJeremy.89 said:
Well labour did win the argument!surrey_commuter said:
It was £60bn before C19 and planned to stay there for five years.Stevo_666 said:
Exceptional circumstances?surrey_commuter said:
would not look out of place with a red rosetteStevo_666 said:
I am. The only person who is the chancellor is Rishi Sunak. Theres a Labour shadow chancellor but that's different.surrey_commuter said:
Are you sure?Stevo_666 said:
There aren't any currently so no needsurrey_commuter said:
You will have to find another angle to slate Labour chancellorsStevo_666 said:
So basically you're saying its dead easy to be a Labour chancellor.rick_chasey said:
It’s easy to be a chancellor who opens the taps....rjsterry said:OK, maybe Sunak isn't quite as competent as I thought. Who drops hints of a SDLT holiday in an attempt to boost the property market?
🤦🏻♂️
If a cat lives in a kennel is it a dog
I remember when you would have agreed that was treasonous behaviour."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I see that Rishi Sunak is promising another £2bn give away today.
Anyone got a running total of the promised spending since the turn of the year?
Payback is going to be painful even if the majority is passed onto the children of today.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
No great point in overtaxing those who will need the help. So if you support the spending, it's higher earners or their children (or both in reality).Stevo_666 said:
Which will in turn depend on to what degree I see the amounts levied on me as reasonable or not.rick_chasey said:
Depends if you see tax as a social obligation or punishment tbh.Stevo_666 said:
Spending argument aside, that is only one side of the coin. How they tax us to finance that is relevant and Labour still treats people me like as the enemy.Jeremy.89 said:
Surely if the outcome of winning the argument and not the election is that your policies get implemented, you'd rather your side lost!Stevo_666 said:
I guess they would have won the election if that had been the case. But even if you were right, I'd prefer them to win the argument and lose the election rather than the other way aoundJeremy.89 said:
Well labour did win the argument!surrey_commuter said:
It was £60bn before C19 and planned to stay there for five years.Stevo_666 said:
Exceptional circumstances?surrey_commuter said:
would not look out of place with a red rosetteStevo_666 said:
I am. The only person who is the chancellor is Rishi Sunak. Theres a Labour shadow chancellor but that's different.surrey_commuter said:
Are you sure?Stevo_666 said:
There aren't any currently so no needsurrey_commuter said:
You will have to find another angle to slate Labour chancellorsStevo_666 said:
So basically you're saying its dead easy to be a Labour chancellor.rick_chasey said:
It’s easy to be a chancellor who opens the taps....rjsterry said:OK, maybe Sunak isn't quite as competent as I thought. Who drops hints of a SDLT holiday in an attempt to boost the property market?
🤦🏻♂️
If a cat lives in a kennel is it a dog
I remember when you would have agreed that was treasonous behaviour.0 -
rjsterry said:
Me neither, but if not us then who?
The penny is starting to drop for the lockdown loonies around who is going to have to pay for this unneeded economic destructionpblakeney said:I see that Rishi Sunak is promising another £2bn give away today.
Anyone got a running total of the promised spending since the turn of the year?
Payback is going to be painful even if the majority is passed onto the children of today.
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I thought the consensus was that there was no need to pay it back because debt service costs are so low and that in the decades to come it will be an insignificant % of our GDP.kingstongraham said:
No great point in overtaxing those who will need the help. So if you support the spending, it's higher earners or their children (or both in reality).Stevo_666 said:
Which will in turn depend on to what degree I see the amounts levied on me as reasonable or not.rick_chasey said:
Depends if you see tax as a social obligation or punishment tbh.Stevo_666 said:
Spending argument aside, that is only one side of the coin. How they tax us to finance that is relevant and Labour still treats people me like as the enemy.Jeremy.89 said:
Surely if the outcome of winning the argument and not the election is that your policies get implemented, you'd rather your side lost!Stevo_666 said:
I guess they would have won the election if that had been the case. But even if you were right, I'd prefer them to win the argument and lose the election rather than the other way aoundJeremy.89 said:
Well labour did win the argument!surrey_commuter said:
It was £60bn before C19 and planned to stay there for five years.Stevo_666 said:
Exceptional circumstances?surrey_commuter said:
would not look out of place with a red rosetteStevo_666 said:
I am. The only person who is the chancellor is Rishi Sunak. Theres a Labour shadow chancellor but that's different.surrey_commuter said:
Are you sure?Stevo_666 said:
There aren't any currently so no needsurrey_commuter said:
You will have to find another angle to slate Labour chancellorsStevo_666 said:
So basically you're saying its dead easy to be a Labour chancellor.rick_chasey said:
It’s easy to be a chancellor who opens the taps....rjsterry said:OK, maybe Sunak isn't quite as competent as I thought. Who drops hints of a SDLT holiday in an attempt to boost the property market?
🤦🏻♂️
If a cat lives in a kennel is it a dog
I remember when you would have agreed that was treasonous behaviour.
Everybody thinks the rich who should bear the burden are those earning more than them, even JC defined it as people earning more than MPs . There are not enough of these people to make a difference.1 -
Putting aside the question of whether it's unneeded or even avoidable, I'm not sure why you think this is some sort of revelation. My and your taxes have gone towards paying off debts from WW2 and even the abolition of slavery. No doubt any great grandchildren I have will be paying for whatever the next big thing is that my children's generation have to deal with. I can't see why it's worth worrying about.coopster_the_1st said:rjsterry said:Me neither, but if not us then who?
The penny is starting to drop for the lockdown loonies around who is going to have to pay for this unneeded economic destructionpblakeney said:I see that Rishi Sunak is promising another £2bn give away today.
Anyone got a running total of the promised spending since the turn of the year?
Payback is going to be painful even if the majority is passed onto the children of today.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition1 -
No, I'm assuming I will have to pay more. I'm fine with that. My business is being helped by the furlough scheme at the moment, so only fair that I pay some back when I can.surrey_commuter said:
I thought the consensus was that there was no need to pay it back because debt service costs are so low and that in the decades to come it will be an insignificant % of our GDP.kingstongraham said:
No great point in overtaxing those who will need the help. So if you support the spending, it's higher earners or their children (or both in reality).Stevo_666 said:
Which will in turn depend on to what degree I see the amounts levied on me as reasonable or not.rick_chasey said:
Depends if you see tax as a social obligation or punishment tbh.Stevo_666 said:
Spending argument aside, that is only one side of the coin. How they tax us to finance that is relevant and Labour still treats people me like as the enemy.Jeremy.89 said:
Surely if the outcome of winning the argument and not the election is that your policies get implemented, you'd rather your side lost!Stevo_666 said:
I guess they would have won the election if that had been the case. But even if you were right, I'd prefer them to win the argument and lose the election rather than the other way aoundJeremy.89 said:
Well labour did win the argument!surrey_commuter said:
It was £60bn before C19 and planned to stay there for five years.Stevo_666 said:
Exceptional circumstances?surrey_commuter said:
would not look out of place with a red rosetteStevo_666 said:
I am. The only person who is the chancellor is Rishi Sunak. Theres a Labour shadow chancellor but that's different.surrey_commuter said:
Are you sure?Stevo_666 said:
There aren't any currently so no needsurrey_commuter said:
You will have to find another angle to slate Labour chancellorsStevo_666 said:
So basically you're saying its dead easy to be a Labour chancellor.rick_chasey said:
It’s easy to be a chancellor who opens the taps....rjsterry said:OK, maybe Sunak isn't quite as competent as I thought. Who drops hints of a SDLT holiday in an attempt to boost the property market?
🤦🏻♂️
If a cat lives in a kennel is it a dog
I remember when you would have agreed that was treasonous behaviour.
Everybody thinks the rich who should bear the burden are those earning more than them, even JC defined it as people earning more than MPs . There are not enough of these people to make a difference.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Isn't that classic Rickspeak?surrey_commuter said:
I thought the consensus was that there was no need to pay it back because debt service costs are so low and that in the decades to come it will be an insignificant % of our GDP.kingstongraham said:
No great point in overtaxing those who will need the help. So if you support the spending, it's higher earners or their children (or both in reality).Stevo_666 said:
Which will in turn depend on to what degree I see the amounts levied on me as reasonable or not.rick_chasey said:
Depends if you see tax as a social obligation or punishment tbh.Stevo_666 said:
Spending argument aside, that is only one side of the coin. How they tax us to finance that is relevant and Labour still treats people me like as the enemy.Jeremy.89 said:
Surely if the outcome of winning the argument and not the election is that your policies get implemented, you'd rather your side lost!Stevo_666 said:
I guess they would have won the election if that had been the case. But even if you were right, I'd prefer them to win the argument and lose the election rather than the other way aoundJeremy.89 said:
Well labour did win the argument!surrey_commuter said:
It was £60bn before C19 and planned to stay there for five years.Stevo_666 said:
Exceptional circumstances?surrey_commuter said:
would not look out of place with a red rosetteStevo_666 said:
I am. The only person who is the chancellor is Rishi Sunak. Theres a Labour shadow chancellor but that's different.surrey_commuter said:
Are you sure?Stevo_666 said:
There aren't any currently so no needsurrey_commuter said:
You will have to find another angle to slate Labour chancellorsStevo_666 said:
So basically you're saying its dead easy to be a Labour chancellor.rick_chasey said:
It’s easy to be a chancellor who opens the taps....rjsterry said:OK, maybe Sunak isn't quite as competent as I thought. Who drops hints of a SDLT holiday in an attempt to boost the property market?
🤦🏻♂️
If a cat lives in a kennel is it a dog
I remember when you would have agreed that was treasonous behaviour.
Everybody thinks the rich who should bear the burden are those earning more than them, even JC defined it as people earning more than MPs . There are not enough of these people to make a difference.0 -
I think it's SC paraphrasing Rick and then claiming everyone said it. So RCxSC.Dorset_Boy said:
Isn't that classic Rickspeak?surrey_commuter said:
I thought the consensus was that there was no need to pay it back because debt service costs are so low and that in the decades to come it will be an insignificant % of our GDP.kingstongraham said:
No great point in overtaxing those who will need the help. So if you support the spending, it's higher earners or their children (or both in reality).Stevo_666 said:
Which will in turn depend on to what degree I see the amounts levied on me as reasonable or not.rick_chasey said:
Depends if you see tax as a social obligation or punishment tbh.Stevo_666 said:
Spending argument aside, that is only one side of the coin. How they tax us to finance that is relevant and Labour still treats people me like as the enemy.Jeremy.89 said:
Surely if the outcome of winning the argument and not the election is that your policies get implemented, you'd rather your side lost!Stevo_666 said:
I guess they would have won the election if that had been the case. But even if you were right, I'd prefer them to win the argument and lose the election rather than the other way aoundJeremy.89 said:
Well labour did win the argument!surrey_commuter said:
It was £60bn before C19 and planned to stay there for five years.Stevo_666 said:
Exceptional circumstances?surrey_commuter said:
would not look out of place with a red rosetteStevo_666 said:
I am. The only person who is the chancellor is Rishi Sunak. Theres a Labour shadow chancellor but that's different.surrey_commuter said:
Are you sure?Stevo_666 said:
There aren't any currently so no needsurrey_commuter said:
You will have to find another angle to slate Labour chancellorsStevo_666 said:
So basically you're saying its dead easy to be a Labour chancellor.rick_chasey said:
It’s easy to be a chancellor who opens the taps....rjsterry said:OK, maybe Sunak isn't quite as competent as I thought. Who drops hints of a SDLT holiday in an attempt to boost the property market?
🤦🏻♂️
If a cat lives in a kennel is it a dog
I remember when you would have agreed that was treasonous behaviour.
Everybody thinks the rich who should bear the burden are those earning more than them, even JC defined it as people earning more than MPs . There are not enough of these people to make a difference.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20621490/#Comment_20621490coopster_the_1st said:rjsterry said:Me neither, but if not us then who?
The penny is starting to drop for the lockdown loonies around who is going to have to pay for this unneeded economic destructionpblakeney said:I see that Rishi Sunak is promising another £2bn give away today.
Anyone got a running total of the promised spending since the turn of the year?
Payback is going to be painful even if the majority is passed onto the children of today.
Can't say you didn't warn us.0 -
Say what you like about it being unnecessary, but after the first 20,000 deaths we'd have been locked down no matter what the initial policy.0
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Correct. Althoigh regardless of my own view on the balance between social obligation and punishment in taxation, Labour definitely sees it as at least partly a punishment for the evil 'rich' and those nasty corporations. As do a few people on here I'm sure.surrey_commuter said:
I thought the consensus was that there was no need to pay it back because debt service costs are so low and that in the decades to come it will be an insignificant % of our GDP.kingstongraham said:
No great point in overtaxing those who will need the help. So if you support the spending, it's higher earners or their children (or both in reality).Stevo_666 said:
Which will in turn depend on to what degree I see the amounts levied on me as reasonable or not.rick_chasey said:
Depends if you see tax as a social obligation or punishment tbh.Stevo_666 said:
Spending argument aside, that is only one side of the coin. How they tax us to finance that is relevant and Labour still treats people me like as the enemy.Jeremy.89 said:
Surely if the outcome of winning the argument and not the election is that your policies get implemented, you'd rather your side lost!Stevo_666 said:
I guess they would have won the election if that had been the case. But even if you were right, I'd prefer them to win the argument and lose the election rather than the other way aoundJeremy.89 said:
Well labour did win the argument!surrey_commuter said:
It was £60bn before C19 and planned to stay there for five years.Stevo_666 said:
Exceptional circumstances?surrey_commuter said:
would not look out of place with a red rosetteStevo_666 said:
I am. The only person who is the chancellor is Rishi Sunak. Theres a Labour shadow chancellor but that's different.surrey_commuter said:
Are you sure?Stevo_666 said:
There aren't any currently so no needsurrey_commuter said:
You will have to find another angle to slate Labour chancellorsStevo_666 said:
So basically you're saying its dead easy to be a Labour chancellor.rick_chasey said:
It’s easy to be a chancellor who opens the taps....rjsterry said:OK, maybe Sunak isn't quite as competent as I thought. Who drops hints of a SDLT holiday in an attempt to boost the property market?
🤦🏻♂️
If a cat lives in a kennel is it a dog
I remember when you would have agreed that was treasonous behaviour.
Everybody thinks the rich who should bear the burden are those earning more than them, even JC defined it as people earning more than MPs . There are not enough of these people to make a difference."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Well, quite.kingstongraham said:
https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20621490/#Comment_20621490coopster_the_1st said:rjsterry said:Me neither, but if not us then who?
The penny is starting to drop for the lockdown loonies around who is going to have to pay for this unneeded economic destructionpblakeney said:I see that Rishi Sunak is promising another £2bn give away today.
Anyone got a running total of the promised spending since the turn of the year?
Payback is going to be painful even if the majority is passed onto the children of today.
Can't say you didn't warn us.
As I pointed out on the 17th March.....pblakeney said:
The economy is already down the tubes and going to get worse regardless of what BJ does.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Really?! The government is now doing meal deals for a month?
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Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Surely this is discriminating against the Agoraphobes?rjsterry said:Really?! The government is now doing meal deals for a month?
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Dunno if it applies to takeaway 😏1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
It doesrjsterry said:Dunno if it applies to takeaway 😏
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That not consensus but the current majority thinking in the treasury.Dorset_Boy said:
Isn't that classic Rickspeak?surrey_commuter said:
I thought the consensus was that there was no need to pay it back because debt service costs are so low and that in the decades to come it will be an insignificant % of our GDP.kingstongraham said:
No great point in overtaxing those who will need the help. So if you support the spending, it's higher earners or their children (or both in reality).Stevo_666 said:
Which will in turn depend on to what degree I see the amounts levied on me as reasonable or not.rick_chasey said:
Depends if you see tax as a social obligation or punishment tbh.Stevo_666 said:
Spending argument aside, that is only one side of the coin. How they tax us to finance that is relevant and Labour still treats people me like as the enemy.Jeremy.89 said:
Surely if the outcome of winning the argument and not the election is that your policies get implemented, you'd rather your side lost!Stevo_666 said:
I guess they would have won the election if that had been the case. But even if you were right, I'd prefer them to win the argument and lose the election rather than the other way aoundJeremy.89 said:
Well labour did win the argument!surrey_commuter said:
It was £60bn before C19 and planned to stay there for five years.Stevo_666 said:
Exceptional circumstances?surrey_commuter said:
would not look out of place with a red rosetteStevo_666 said:
I am. The only person who is the chancellor is Rishi Sunak. Theres a Labour shadow chancellor but that's different.surrey_commuter said:
Are you sure?Stevo_666 said:
There aren't any currently so no needsurrey_commuter said:
You will have to find another angle to slate Labour chancellorsStevo_666 said:
So basically you're saying its dead easy to be a Labour chancellor.rick_chasey said:
It’s easy to be a chancellor who opens the taps....rjsterry said:OK, maybe Sunak isn't quite as competent as I thought. Who drops hints of a SDLT holiday in an attempt to boost the property market?
🤦🏻♂️
If a cat lives in a kennel is it a dog
I remember when you would have agreed that was treasonous behaviour.
Everybody thinks the rich who should bear the burden are those earning more than them, even JC defined it as people earning more than MPs . There are not enough of these people to make a difference.
There is also not much choice re govt spending.
Govt picking up the slack in spending in a recession is Macroeconomics 1010 -
Can someone explain reason behind the stamp duty cut?0
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No idea but a) Tory voters love it and b) might make the housing market a little more liquid (so perhaps there is a liquidity issue?)kingstongraham said:Can someone explain reason behind the stamp duty cut?
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I never really understood this logo. I guess it was a money tree.0 -
Remember when the Labour money tree was a joke to be avoided at all costs?
I guess we have found out what it took to shake the tree, and will find out the true cost in the years to come.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
there must be better ways to spend a few billion - as a concept home insulation is a better idea and could have doubled the budgetrick_chasey said:
No idea but a) Tory voters love it and b) might make the housing market a little more liquid (so perhaps there is a liquidity issue?)kingstongraham said:Can someone explain reason behind the stamp duty cut?
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You are right, but in a civilised new internet informed empowered world, we'd be like well screwed.coopster_the_1st said:rjsterry said:Me neither, but if not us then who?
The penny is starting to drop for the lockdown loonies around who is going to have to pay for this unneeded economic destructionpblakeney said:I see that Rishi Sunak is promising another £2bn give away today.
Anyone got a running total of the promised spending since the turn of the year?
Payback is going to be painful even if the majority is passed onto the children of today.0 -
Great words, but the money isn't coming from his pocket and he will be retiring with all the bells and whistles. At the end of the day that debt has to be serviced.
I don't know what the answer is, just that I don't like where this is going if it continues much longer.0 -
The point is right though. Either lots of firms rack up lots of debt and/or go bust or the govt does.focuszing723 said:Great words, but the money isn't coming from his pocket and he will be retiring with all the bells and whistles. At the end of the day that debt has to be serviced.
I don't know what the answer is, just that I don't like where this is going if it continues much longer.
It’s different sides of the same balance sheet.
Difference is, gov’t has massive economies of scale to do the borrowing much more efficiently.0 -
The problem is governments rarely spend money efficiently and they certainly don't take responsibility regarding the tab.rick_chasey said:
The point is right though. Either lots of firms rack up lots of debt and/or go bust or the govt does.focuszing723 said:Great words, but the money isn't coming from his pocket and he will be retiring with all the bells and whistles. At the end of the day that debt has to be serviced.
I don't know what the answer is, just that I don't like where this is going if it continues much longer.
It’s different sides of the same balance sheet.
Difference is, gov’t has massive economies of scale to do the borrowing much more efficiently.0
