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Isn't there plenty of evidence of the effectiveness of cutting VAT on the economy from the last time it was done?0
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Is everyone relaxed about the gov't removing the top civil servant and replacing them with a political appointment?
I don't think having a partisan is going to be helpful for good governance.0 -
rjsterry said:
This is very interesting.
Quite why the blond idiot doing push ups is more worthy of a front page I don't know
Well worth reading the whole speech.
Not sure what to make of all the clashes between what this and the previous government have done (or failed to do) and what he says here, but as a statement of direction. It's quite a dramatic shift. Can't help thinking that it will also need a new PM to become a reality, because Johnson shows no inclination to the effort or leadership skills required to pull this off.0 -
You seem to be in denial that Sidwell was neutral. One less viper in the nest!rick_chasey said:Is everyone relaxed about the gov't removing the top civil servant and replacing them with a political appointment?
I don't think having a partisan is going to be helpful for good governance.
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Just as well he isn't busy on something else. Also good that the Intelligence and Security committee are there to provide some oversight. Oh.0
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which is something Steveo recognises, but Rick clearly doesn't.rjsterry said:
I think in the current climate, if the government announces 2.5% cut in VAT, businesses will be looking to pass that on to remain competitive.morstar said:
I’m not sure that the government needs it to be passed on.Stevo_666 said:
Like I said, it really depends on whether these cuts get passed on. It would be difficult to enforce, but clearly a govt could lean on businesses to pass it on. There is some doubt as to how effective this is:morstar said:Surely the VAT reduction is more about giving businesses a bit more flexibility.
A 2.5% reduction is largely meaningless or invisible to a consumer (non dinghy buyers) so a consumer business e.g. retail can get away with not passing it on and improving their own cash flow.
B2B may get negotiated a bit harder but you can always get away with retaining some of the difference.
https://taxfoundation.org/germany-temporary-vat-rates-cut/
I’d say a few spare pounds in a household has less economic benefit than a few hundred pounds in a small business.
Latter could keep a person in work.
Just possibly it affects different sectors differently, as demonstrated by this forum's membership.Stevo_666 said:
Seems like they aren't quite telling the same story for some reason....rick_chasey said:
I can get plenty myself.Stevo_666 said:
So what you're saying is that the effects haven't been revealed yet, but you are predicting fhat it will be horrendous.rick_chasey said:
So we currently have large swathes of the economy on life support - so we can't see yet which bits will die as soon as the taps are turned off and which won't.Stevo_666 said:
If it has not yet been revealed how can it look horrendous?rick_chasey said:
Really not. I think the level of economic scarring has not been revealed yet but it looks horrendous. Properly horrendous.surrey_commuter said:
surely this time around the spending will come back anyway especially as the govt has tried to preserve businesses and jobs. In the meantime why launch infrastructure projects that will run for decades?
looks to me like the cuckoo is hiding his reasons for wanting massive hikes in govt spending
If you go industry by industry however, it's hard to see an industry that isn't going to see gigantic losses.
There are entire industries that will take an absolute battering. That has knock-on effects.
There are quite a few sectors that will not see 'gigantic' losses and a few that are doing pretty well - based on the reports that I have seen (the sort produced for institutional clients rather than for the mainstream media). I can dig out some more later if you want a more detailed and relatively unbiased view?
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I think the government supports the bolded part which is why it is making the change. You may not agree with that of course.rick_chasey said:Is everyone relaxed about the gov't removing the top civil servant and replacing them with a political appointment?
I don't think having a partisan is going to be helpful for good governance.0 -
I'd suggest that the partisans are not in a position to decide who is and who isn't, no?TheBigBean said:
I think the government supports the bolded part which is why it is making the change. You may not agree with that of course.rick_chasey said:Is everyone relaxed about the gov't removing the top civil servant and replacing them with a political appointment?
I don't think having a partisan is going to be helpful for good governance.
It's not like the civil service has a history of partisanship, does it? Au contraire, it's reputation is the opposite; highly practical.
That ideologues are frustrated with advisers who focus on practicalities is not surprising, but surely welcome?0 -
It may all come out in an employment tribunal, so we will see then, but yes, the government shouldn't be deciding if a civil service employee has become impartial, someone independent in the civil service should be deciding this.rick_chasey said:
I'd suggest that the partisans are not in a position to decide who is and who isn't, no?TheBigBean said:
I think the government supports the bolded part which is why it is making the change. You may not agree with that of course.rick_chasey said:Is everyone relaxed about the gov't removing the top civil servant and replacing them with a political appointment?
I don't think having a partisan is going to be helpful for good governance.
It's not like the civil service has a history of partisanship, does it? Au contraire, it's reputation is the opposite; highly practical.
That ideologues are frustrated with advisers who focus on practicalities is not surprising, but surely welcome?0 -
Basically what Cummings & his underlings are aiming for is the US system where every govt position is politically appointed.
So just look across the Atlantic to see how well this is likely to end up.0 -
it is strange that they have looked at Trump and come to the conclusion that mimicking him is a good idea. Or maybe they are a lot more self aware than we realise.bompington said:Basically what Cummings & his underlings are aiming for is the US system where every govt position is politically appointed.
So just look across the Atlantic to see how well this is likely to end up.0 -
So would you be concerned about this appointment? since the departing incumbunt was chosen by the civil service and the incoming isn't?TheBigBean said:
It may all come out in an employment tribunal, so we will see then, but yes, the government shouldn't be deciding if a civil service employee has become impartial, someone independent in the civil service should be deciding this.rick_chasey said:
I'd suggest that the partisans are not in a position to decide who is and who isn't, no?TheBigBean said:
I think the government supports the bolded part which is why it is making the change. You may not agree with that of course.rick_chasey said:Is everyone relaxed about the gov't removing the top civil servant and replacing them with a political appointment?
I don't think having a partisan is going to be helpful for good governance.
It's not like the civil service has a history of partisanship, does it? Au contraire, it's reputation is the opposite; highly practical.
That ideologues are frustrated with advisers who focus on practicalities is not surprising, but surely welcome?
All when the UK is in the middle of the biggest crisis in living memory and when a highly technical, complex negotiation which has gigantic impacts on how Britain operates internationally are at their most critical.0 -
as you can imagine it cheered me up no end that the lying tvvat was lying. I am further cheered by the almost certain knowledge that most of that £5bn will be recycled pledges. I expect to see his fantasy number of new hospitals and schools to be turbocharged.rick_chasey said:rjsterry said:This is very interesting.
Quite why the blond idiot doing push ups is more worthy of a front page I don't know
Well worth reading the whole speech.
Not sure what to make of all the clashes between what this and the previous government have done (or failed to do) and what he says here, but as a statement of direction. It's quite a dramatic shift. Can't help thinking that it will also need a new PM to become a reality, because Johnson shows no inclination to the effort or leadership skills required to pull this off.0 -
For a C-19 crystal ball we only needed to look at Italy.bompington said:Basically what Cummings & his underlings are aiming for is the US system where every govt position is politically appointed.
So just look across the Atlantic to see how well this is likely to end up.
We looked and did a half-arsed attempt at lockdown.
For a political crystal ball we need only to look at the U.S.A.
We are looking and will do a half-arsed attempt at the same.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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"Which one will give me the biggest boost in the polls?".The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It has occurred to me that Gove is using Johnson and Cummings. Even encouraging to screw things up so he can step into their shoes at a later date.surrey_commuter said:
as you can imagine it cheered me up no end that the lying tvvat was lying. I am further cheered by the almost certain knowledge that most of that £5bn will be recycled pledges. I expect to see his fantasy number of new hospitals and schools to be turbocharged.rick_chasey said:rjsterry said:This is very interesting.
Quite why the blond idiot doing push ups is more worthy of a front page I don't know
Well worth reading the whole speech.
Not sure what to make of all the clashes between what this and the previous government have done (or failed to do) and what he says here, but as a statement of direction. It's quite a dramatic shift. Can't help thinking that it will also need a new PM to become a reality, because Johnson shows no inclination to the effort or leadership skills required to pull this off.
Anyway the previous budget I think someone added up to £600bn, so maybe not as far off as you think.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I used to like Gove until Rick posted that stuff about him being an extremist god bothererrjsterry said:
It has occurred to me that Gove is using Johnson and Cummings. Even encouraging to screw things up so he can step into their shoes at a later date.surrey_commuter said:
as you can imagine it cheered me up no end that the lying tvvat was lying. I am further cheered by the almost certain knowledge that most of that £5bn will be recycled pledges. I expect to see his fantasy number of new hospitals and schools to be turbocharged.rick_chasey said:rjsterry said:This is very interesting.
Quite why the blond idiot doing push ups is more worthy of a front page I don't know
Well worth reading the whole speech.
Not sure what to make of all the clashes between what this and the previous government have done (or failed to do) and what he says here, but as a statement of direction. It's quite a dramatic shift. Can't help thinking that it will also need a new PM to become a reality, because Johnson shows no inclination to the effort or leadership skills required to pull this off.
Anyway the previous budget I think someone added up to £600bn, so maybe not as far off as you think.0 -
Why did his views on the Good Friday Agreement not do this?surrey_commuter said:
I used to like Gove until Rick posted that stuff about him being an extremist god bothererrjsterry said:
It has occurred to me that Gove is using Johnson and Cummings. Even encouraging to screw things up so he can step into their shoes at a later date.surrey_commuter said:
as you can imagine it cheered me up no end that the lying tvvat was lying. I am further cheered by the almost certain knowledge that most of that £5bn will be recycled pledges. I expect to see his fantasy number of new hospitals and schools to be turbocharged.rick_chasey said:rjsterry said:This is very interesting.
Quite why the blond idiot doing push ups is more worthy of a front page I don't know
Well worth reading the whole speech.
Not sure what to make of all the clashes between what this and the previous government have done (or failed to do) and what he says here, but as a statement of direction. It's quite a dramatic shift. Can't help thinking that it will also need a new PM to become a reality, because Johnson shows no inclination to the effort or leadership skills required to pull this off.
Anyway the previous budget I think someone added up to £600bn, so maybe not as far off as you think.0 -
She’s seriously f@cked off here.
Fair play, it’s a disgrace.0 -
Nails the point rather a well I thought. Speech promising a new approach to getting the best people and not being afraid to listen to contrasting views on Saturday; appoint people whose only qualification is that they agree with you on Monday.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
It’s just baffling that they are looking at US politics and coming to the conclusion it is something to aspire to rather than avoid at all costs.rjsterry said:Interesting thread.
Time will show the massive influence Farage has had on UK politics. He proved the populist model could work over here with the right figurehead.
Hate the man but plenty don’t and he has been hugely influential.
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Good article from Philip Collins: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/labour-never-understands-how-tories-think-kwgztpkvc
Basically, the left will never land a blow on the Conservatives by pointing out what they view as hypocrisy, because people don't care about it, and also because the Conservatives as a party don't have any fixed beliefs or principles. "Conservatism is more of a disposition, a mood, a manner of thinking than it is a creed. "0 -
Borne put by the last few election results. I've always said that lefties don't learnkingstongraham said:Good article from Philip Collins: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/labour-never-understands-how-tories-think-kwgztpkvc
Basically, the left will never land a blow on the Conservatives by pointing out what they view as hypocrisy, because people don't care about it, and also because the Conservatives as a party don't have any fixed beliefs or principles. "Conservatism is more of a disposition, a mood, a manner of thinking than it is a creed. "
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
That's true, and a lot of them will still figure out a way to balls it up. But I think that a lot of people will soon tire of the mindless optimism of Johnson, especially as the other side isn't a rehashed SWP. The last election was a very different world to the next few years of actually having to govern.Stevo_666 said:
Borne put by the last few election results. I've always said that lefties don't learnkingstongraham said:Good article from Philip Collins: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/labour-never-understands-how-tories-think-kwgztpkvc
Basically, the left will never land a blow on the Conservatives by pointing out what they view as hypocrisy, because people don't care about it, and also because the Conservatives as a party don't have any fixed beliefs or principles. "Conservatism is more of a disposition, a mood, a manner of thinking than it is a creed. "
As the article says "he will not fail out of nasty motivation. He will fail because policy is harder than he pretends with his zip and his zap and his bish and his bosh. "0 -
all he has is his mojo, if he loses that he will be a broken man, this of course assumes that he grasps the magnitude of his fvck ups.kingstongraham said:
That's true, and a lot of them will still figure out a way to balls it up. But I think that a lot of people will soon tire of the mindless optimism of Johnson, especially as the other side isn't a rehashed SWP. The last election was a very different world to the next few years of actually having to govern.Stevo_666 said:
Borne put by the last few election results. I've always said that lefties don't learnkingstongraham said:Good article from Philip Collins: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/labour-never-understands-how-tories-think-kwgztpkvc
Basically, the left will never land a blow on the Conservatives by pointing out what they view as hypocrisy, because people don't care about it, and also because the Conservatives as a party don't have any fixed beliefs or principles. "Conservatism is more of a disposition, a mood, a manner of thinking than it is a creed. "
As the article says "he will not fail out of nasty motivation. He will fail because policy is harder than he pretends with his zip and his zap and his bish and his bosh. "
I do think there is a chance that Cummings is a traitor working against the best interests of the country.0 -
Honest question: what makes you think Keir Starmer won't win the next election?Stevo_666 said:
Borne put by the last few election results. I've always said that lefties don't learnkingstongraham said:Good article from Philip Collins: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/labour-never-understands-how-tories-think-kwgztpkvc
Basically, the left will never land a blow on the Conservatives by pointing out what they view as hypocrisy, because people don't care about it, and also because the Conservatives as a party don't have any fixed beliefs or principles. "Conservatism is more of a disposition, a mood, a manner of thinking than it is a creed. "
Assume the caveat of "it's four and a half years away so lots can happen" is already built into your answer.0 -
As I said before, he is Hague fighting against Blair/Campbell. He can win every debate in parliament, but he also needs to win Richard and Judy, and at the moment, I don't think he is doing that.rick_chasey said:
Honest question: what makes you think Keir Starmer won't win the next election?Stevo_666 said:
Borne put by the last few election results. I've always said that lefties don't learnkingstongraham said:Good article from Philip Collins: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/labour-never-understands-how-tories-think-kwgztpkvc
Basically, the left will never land a blow on the Conservatives by pointing out what they view as hypocrisy, because people don't care about it, and also because the Conservatives as a party don't have any fixed beliefs or principles. "Conservatism is more of a disposition, a mood, a manner of thinking than it is a creed. "
Assume the caveat of "it's four and a half years away so lots can happen" is already built into your answer.0
