LEAVE the Conservative Party and save your country!

surrey_commuter

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

I'll say it again, it's not the views per-se, but what they say about his judgement.

Let's put it another way: there were some pretty inept people (to put it mildly) on the other side of the Brexit debate, but I didn't disown the entire idea because of their involvement.

you don't think that in general brexiteers in Parliament are incompetent buffoons?

you don't think that the woefulness of the Cabinet is directly related to the fact that they are Brexiteers?

rick_chasey

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

I'll say it again, it's not the views per-se, but what they say about his judgement.

Let's put it another way: there were some pretty inept people (to put it mildly) on the other side of the Brexit debate, but I didn't disown the entire idea because of their involvement.

Oh sure. I hold those who led the campaign in similar contempt to be honest. But Leave Means Leave is not a who's who of anyone other than total idiots.

rjsterry

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

I'll say it again, it's not the views per-se, but what they say about his judgement.

Let's put it another way: there were some pretty inept people (to put it mildly) on the other side of the Brexit debate, but I didn't disown the entire idea because of their involvement.

you don't think that in general brexiteers in Parliament are incompetent buffoons?

you don't think that the woefulness of the Cabinet is directly related to the fact that they are Brexiteers?

No. I think there are good and bad politicians on both sides of that argument. Membership of the cabinet seems to have been decided on the basis of loyalty alone.

coopster_the_1st

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

I'll say it again, it's not the views per-se, but what they say about his judgement.

Let's put it another way: there were some pretty inept people (to put it mildly) on the other side of the Brexit debate, but I didn't disown the entire idea because of their involvement.

you don't think that in general brexiteers in Parliament are incompetent buffoons?

you don't think that the woefulness of the Cabinet is directly related to the fact that they are Brexiteers?

No. I think there are good and bad politicians on both sides of that argument. Membership of the cabinet seems to have been decided on the basis of loyalty alone.

I'm pretty sure you and/or others were complaining about this loyalty thing when Rishi Sunak was made chancellor

pblakeney

It’s easy to be popular when you act like Santa Claus.
Time will tell on payback.

rick_chasey

pblakeney said:

It’s easy to be popular when you act like Santa Claus.
Time will tell on payback.

Treasury famously has all the smart civil servants too.

Gordon Brown used to moan when he became PM how poor the No.10 people were by comparison.

rjsterry

Statement from Lewis

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1283687415077625857?s=19

surrey_commuter

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

I'll say it again, it's not the views per-se, but what they say about his judgement.

Let's put it another way: there were some pretty inept people (to put it mildly) on the other side of the Brexit debate, but I didn't disown the entire idea because of their involvement.

you don't think that in general brexiteers in Parliament are incompetent buffoons?

you don't think that the woefulness of the Cabinet is directly related to the fact that they are Brexiteers?

No. I think there are good and bad politicians on both sides of that argument. Membership of the cabinet seems to have been decided on the basis of loyalty alone.

I actually think that you need true believers to push it through, anybody who did not believe in the purity of the project would always be looking to mitigate the economic impact.

then you end up with a Cabinet loyal to Brexit who are wired differently to what is needed.

coopster_the_1st

robert88 said:

It's a bit late now, but..

rjsterry said:

Do we all need to become Conservative party members so that we can make sure he[Boris Johnson] doesn't get in?

Yes, the sooner the better because you have to be a member 3 months before the voting ends.

It's £2.09 a month so it could cost under a tenner.

As this is the 1000th post in this thread, what better way to celebrate Johnson's 80 seat majority than to highlight the reason for the thread and how successful it has been

rjsterry

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

I'll say it again, it's not the views per-se, but what they say about his judgement.

Let's put it another way: there were some pretty inept people (to put it mildly) on the other side of the Brexit debate, but I didn't disown the entire idea because of their involvement.

you don't think that in general brexiteers in Parliament are incompetent buffoons?

you don't think that the woefulness of the Cabinet is directly related to the fact that they are Brexiteers?

No. I think there are good and bad politicians on both sides of that argument. Membership of the cabinet seems to have been decided on the basis of loyalty alone.

I actually think that you need true believers to push it through, anybody who did not believe in the purity of the project would always be looking to mitigate the economic impact.

then you end up with a Cabinet loyal to Brexit who are wired differently to what is needed.

I think the problem starts way further back. The process by which people become MPs is so skewed that for a majority of those in Parliament the main experience of an economic downturn is of bad things happening to other people. It's not that they don't care, it's just that the whole thing is much more abstract for them. When it's not your personal income dropping then it's much easier to believe that ideas of sovereignty are worth the trade off.

kingstongraham

coopster_the_1st said:

robert88 said:

It's a bit late now, but..

rjsterry said:

Do we all need to become Conservative party members so that we can make sure he[Boris Johnson] doesn't get in?

Yes, the sooner the better because you have to be a member 3 months before the voting ends.

It's £2.09 a month so it could cost under a tenner.

As this is the 1000th post in this thread, what better way to celebrate Johnson's 80 seat majority than to highlight the reason for the thread and how successful it has been

Like the other thread, there's too many true believers to have made a difference even if anyone wanted to try to.

And now he's making them all wear muzzles.

rjsterry

coopster_the_1st said:

robert88 said:

It's a bit late now, but..

rjsterry said:

Do we all need to become Conservative party members so that we can make sure he[Boris Johnson] doesn't get in?

Yes, the sooner the better because you have to be a member 3 months before the voting ends.

It's £2.09 a month so it could cost under a tenner.

As this is the 1000th post in this thread, what better way to celebrate Johnson's 80 seat majority than to highlight the reason for the thread and how successful it has been

I thought you were 💔 over the 😷 and all the lockdown stuff.

rick_chasey

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

I'll say it again, it's not the views per-se, but what they say about his judgement.

Let's put it another way: there were some pretty inept people (to put it mildly) on the other side of the Brexit debate, but I didn't disown the entire idea because of their involvement.

you don't think that in general brexiteers in Parliament are incompetent buffoons?

you don't think that the woefulness of the Cabinet is directly related to the fact that they are Brexiteers?

No. I think there are good and bad politicians on both sides of that argument. Membership of the cabinet seems to have been decided on the basis of loyalty alone.

I actually think that you need true believers to push it through, anybody who did not believe in the purity of the project would always be looking to mitigate the economic impact.

then you end up with a Cabinet loyal to Brexit who are wired differently to what is needed.

I think the problem starts way further back. The process by which people become MPs is so skewed that for a majority of those in Parliament the main experience of an economic downturn is of bad things happening to other people. It's not that they don't care, it's just that the whole thing is much more abstract for them. When it's not your personal income dropping then it's much easier to believe that ideas of sovereignty are worth the trade off.

Oh come on. Leave Means Leave is a home for either the stupid or the malevolent.

coopster_the_1st

rjsterry said:

coopster_the_1st said:

robert88 said:

It's a bit late now, but..

rjsterry said:

Do we all need to become Conservative party members so that we can make sure he[Boris Johnson] doesn't get in?

Yes, the sooner the better because you have to be a member 3 months before the voting ends.

It's £2.09 a month so it could cost under a tenner.

As this is the 1000th post in this thread, what better way to celebrate Johnson's 80 seat majority than to highlight the reason for the thread and how successful it has been

I thought you were 💔 over the 😷 and all the lockdown stuff.

We only need to look towards Wales to see what a shower the other lot would have been so while I think the handling of the pandemic has been and is continuing to be lots of wrong decisions, they are still better wrong decisions than the other lot would have made.

Stevo_666

coopster_the_1st said:

robert88 said:

It's a bit late now, but..

rjsterry said:

Do we all need to become Conservative party members so that we can make sure he[Boris Johnson] doesn't get in?

Yes, the sooner the better because you have to be a member 3 months before the voting ends.

It's £2.09 a month so it could cost under a tenner.

As this is the 1000th post in this thread, what better way to celebrate Johnson's 80 seat majority than to highlight the reason for the thread and how successful it has been

Good point. It's worth just reminding people from time to time about the massive Tory 80 seat majority

Where is the Wolf of Cake Stop these days?

Jeremy.89

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

I'll say it again, it's not the views per-se, but what they say about his judgement.

Let's put it another way: there were some pretty inept people (to put it mildly) on the other side of the Brexit debate, but I didn't disown the entire idea because of their involvement.

you don't think that in general brexiteers in Parliament are incompetent buffoons?

you don't think that the woefulness of the Cabinet is directly related to the fact that they are Brexiteers?

No. I think there are good and bad politicians on both sides of that argument. Membership of the cabinet seems to have been decided on the basis of loyalty alone.

I actually think that you need true believers to push it through, anybody who did not believe in the purity of the project would always be looking to mitigate the economic impact.

then you end up with a Cabinet loyal to Brexit who are wired differently to what is needed.

Isn't the trouble with Brexit that it is too wide a concept to have a true believer?

If you truly believe in completely unlimited free trade, you can make an argument for leaving the "protectionist" EU.

Otoh if you want to go towards autarky, then clearly thats difficult whilst in the EU.

shortfall

pblakeney said:

It’s easy to be popular when you act like Santa Claus.
Time will tell on payback.

This.
It's like the bloke who jumps off the top of the Empire State Building and half way down someone shouts out of a window "How's it going?"
"So far so good" was his reply.

Pross

coopster_the_1st said:

rjsterry said:

coopster_the_1st said:

robert88 said:

It's a bit late now, but..

rjsterry said:

Do we all need to become Conservative party members so that we can make sure he[Boris Johnson] doesn't get in?

Yes, the sooner the better because you have to be a member 3 months before the voting ends.

It's £2.09 a month so it could cost under a tenner.

As this is the 1000th post in this thread, what better way to celebrate Johnson's 80 seat majority than to highlight the reason for the thread and how successful it has been

I thought you were 💔 over the 😷 and all the lockdown stuff.

We only need to look towards Wales to see what a shower the other lot would have been so while I think the handling of the pandemic has been and is continuing to be lots of wrong decisions, they are still better wrong decisions than the other lot would have made.

I didn't vote for them but that's a pretty poor example given that Wales has a lower rate of deaths per million than England. There's countless examples of the Welsh Government doing things badly and you manage to pick one of the ones where their record is better!

surrey_commuter

Jeremy.89 said:

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

I'll say it again, it's not the views per-se, but what they say about his judgement.

Let's put it another way: there were some pretty inept people (to put it mildly) on the other side of the Brexit debate, but I didn't disown the entire idea because of their involvement.

you don't think that in general brexiteers in Parliament are incompetent buffoons?

you don't think that the woefulness of the Cabinet is directly related to the fact that they are Brexiteers?

No. I think there are good and bad politicians on both sides of that argument. Membership of the cabinet seems to have been decided on the basis of loyalty alone.

I actually think that you need true believers to push it through, anybody who did not believe in the purity of the project would always be looking to mitigate the economic impact.

then you end up with a Cabinet loyal to Brexit who are wired differently to what is needed.

Isn't the trouble with Brexit that it is too wide a concept to have a true believer?

If you truly believe in completely unlimited free trade, you can make an argument for leaving the "protectionist" EU.

Otoh if you want to go towards autarky, then clearly thats difficult whilst in the EU.

I think it is the other way round and it is an emotional decision that comes from the heart, they then try to rationalise it with arguments about their pet peeves

rick_chasey

shortfall said:

pblakeney said:

It’s easy to be popular when you act like Santa Claus.
Time will tell on payback.

This.
It's like the bloke who jumps off the top of the Empire State Building and half way down someone shouts out of a window "How's it going?"
"So far so good" was his reply.

The same goes for the entire brexit process.

coopster_the_1st

Pross said:

coopster_the_1st said:

rjsterry said:

coopster_the_1st said:

robert88 said:

It's a bit late now, but..

rjsterry said:

Do we all need to become Conservative party members so that we can make sure he[Boris Johnson] doesn't get in?

Yes, the sooner the better because you have to be a member 3 months before the voting ends.

It's £2.09 a month so it could cost under a tenner.

As this is the 1000th post in this thread, what better way to celebrate Johnson's 80 seat majority than to highlight the reason for the thread and how successful it has been

I thought you were 💔 over the 😷 and all the lockdown stuff.

We only need to look towards Wales to see what a shower the other lot would have been so while I think the handling of the pandemic has been and is continuing to be lots of wrong decisions, they are still better wrong decisions than the other lot would have made.

I didn't vote for them but that's a pretty poor example given that Wales has a lower rate of deaths per million than England. There's countless examples of the Welsh Government doing things badly and you manage to pick one of the ones where their record is better!

At least you have confirmed you agree with the non-mandating of masks as that, despite being the most cautious of the four nations, is the Welsh policy as they say there is little point when transmission is so low.

Pross

coopster_the_1st said:

Pross said:

coopster_the_1st said:

rjsterry said:

coopster_the_1st said:

robert88 said:

It's a bit late now, but..

rjsterry said:

Do we all need to become Conservative party members so that we can make sure he[Boris Johnson] doesn't get in?

Yes, the sooner the better because you have to be a member 3 months before the voting ends.

It's £2.09 a month so it could cost under a tenner.

As this is the 1000th post in this thread, what better way to celebrate Johnson's 80 seat majority than to highlight the reason for the thread and how successful it has been

I thought you were 💔 over the 😷 and all the lockdown stuff.

We only need to look towards Wales to see what a shower the other lot would have been so while I think the handling of the pandemic has been and is continuing to be lots of wrong decisions, they are still better wrong decisions than the other lot would have made.

I didn't vote for them but that's a pretty poor example given that Wales has a lower rate of deaths per million than England. There's countless examples of the Welsh Government doing things badly and you manage to pick one of the ones where their record is better!

At least you have confirmed you agree with the non-mandating of masks as that, despite being the most cautious of the four nations, is the Welsh policy as they say there is little point when transmission is so low.

Your ability to see something that isn't there is second to none. I didn't comment on mask wearing one way or the other, just made the point that what you claimed were 'wrong decisions' by the Labour led administration has actually resulted in a lower death rate. But then I suppose, looking at it from your quirky point of view, having a lower death rate is not a good thing as you've said many times.

Stevo_666

surrey_commuter said:

Jeremy.89 said:

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

I'll say it again, it's not the views per-se, but what they say about his judgement.

Let's put it another way: there were some pretty inept people (to put it mildly) on the other side of the Brexit debate, but I didn't disown the entire idea because of their involvement.

you don't think that in general brexiteers in Parliament are incompetent buffoons?

you don't think that the woefulness of the Cabinet is directly related to the fact that they are Brexiteers?

No. I think there are good and bad politicians on both sides of that argument. Membership of the cabinet seems to have been decided on the basis of loyalty alone.

I actually think that you need true believers to push it through, anybody who did not believe in the purity of the project would always be looking to mitigate the economic impact.

then you end up with a Cabinet loyal to Brexit who are wired differently to what is needed.

Isn't the trouble with Brexit that it is too wide a concept to have a true believer?

If you truly believe in completely unlimited free trade, you can make an argument for leaving the "protectionist" EU.

Otoh if you want to go towards autarky, then clearly thats difficult whilst in the EU.

I think it is the other way round and it is an emotional decision that comes from the heart, they then try to rationalise it with arguments about their pet peeves

What, like roaming charges?

surrey_commuter

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Jeremy.89 said:

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

I'll say it again, it's not the views per-se, but what they say about his judgement.

Let's put it another way: there were some pretty inept people (to put it mildly) on the other side of the Brexit debate, but I didn't disown the entire idea because of their involvement.

you don't think that in general brexiteers in Parliament are incompetent buffoons?

you don't think that the woefulness of the Cabinet is directly related to the fact that they are Brexiteers?

No. I think there are good and bad politicians on both sides of that argument. Membership of the cabinet seems to have been decided on the basis of loyalty alone.

I actually think that you need true believers to push it through, anybody who did not believe in the purity of the project would always be looking to mitigate the economic impact.

then you end up with a Cabinet loyal to Brexit who are wired differently to what is needed.

Isn't the trouble with Brexit that it is too wide a concept to have a true believer?

If you truly believe in completely unlimited free trade, you can make an argument for leaving the "protectionist" EU.

Otoh if you want to go towards autarky, then clearly thats difficult whilst in the EU.

I think it is the other way round and it is an emotional decision that comes from the heart, they then try to rationalise it with arguments about their pet peeves

What, like roaming charges?

You have the wrong person, I despair that the Govt is spending millions to tell people about roaming charges, EHIC and pet passports.

BTW - the despair is that they are probably right and that is probably all the impact they will worry about.

surrey_commuter

Read an article echoing our thoughts on the lack of talent caused by only promoting Brexiteers, meaning that Govt is being carried by Gove, Cummings and Johnson or as one Tory described them “two journalists and a maniac”

rjsterry

Yes, there seems to be little love lost between Johnson and his MPs.

surrey_commuter

rjsterry said:

Yes, there seems to be little love lost between Johnson and his MPs.

I think the problem is Cummings as he is openly contemptuous of them, in particular the ERG lot

rick_chasey

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

Yes, there seems to be little love lost between Johnson and his MPs.

I think the problem is Cummings as he is openly contemptuous of them, in particular the ERG lot

Anyone with two braincells would be contemptuous of the ERG.

orraloon

Did you ever think this country is fxxked?

pblakeney

orraloon said:

Did you ever think this country is fxxked?

Some have been saying this for a loooooong time. It's not getting better. 😢