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The Rwanda deal is not that different to the EU's deal with Turkey and it is also of interest to other EU countries, so I'm not sure being in or out of the EU makes much difference.rick_chasey said:Gotta see the Rwanada thing through the Brexit lens. Soft lefty stuff stopping Brits "controlling their borders".
First it was the EU, now it's 'uman rights, etc.1 -
No, I mean it boils down to "them stopping us doing what we want to do".TheBigBean said:
The Rwanda deal is not that different to the EU's deal with Turkey and it is also of interest to other EU countries, so I'm not sure being in or out of the EU makes much difference.rick_chasey said:Gotta see the Rwanada thing through the Brexit lens. Soft lefty stuff stopping Brits "controlling their borders".
First it was the EU, now it's 'uman rights, etc.0 -
Trouble was that there were plenty of downsides.wallace_and_gromit said:
I get that. But Brexit was all things to all men, and easy to present as being with no downsides:rick_chasey said:Gotta see the Rwanada thing through the Brexit lens. Soft lefty stuff stopping Brits "controlling their borders".
First it was the EU, now it's 'uman rights, etc.
- Take back control
- Sovereignty
- Make our own laws
- Immigration
- A free kick at Cameron's nadgers
Stopping small boats is much more of a niche interest, with acknowledged implications.
All highlighted in advance and dismissed as "Project Fear". Muppets fell for it.
Oh, and we always had control over those issues. Even bigger muppets.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Agreed.pblakeney said:
Trouble was that there were plenty of downsides.wallace_and_gromit said:
I get that. But Brexit was all things to all men, and easy to present as being with no downsides:rick_chasey said:Gotta see the Rwanada thing through the Brexit lens. Soft lefty stuff stopping Brits "controlling their borders".
First it was the EU, now it's 'uman rights, etc.
- Take back control
- Sovereignty
- Make our own laws
- Immigration
- A free kick at Cameron's nadgers
Stopping small boats is much more of a niche interest, with acknowledged implications.
All highlighted in advance and dismissed as "Project Fear". Muppets fell for it.0 -
Here's another MP who doesn't understand what he's putting so much effort into supporting.
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In this particular case, them is in fact us. Despite the wittering of people who pretend to not know better, no foreign court has made us do anything.rick_chasey said:
No, I mean it boils down to "them stopping us doing what we want to do".TheBigBean said:
The Rwanda deal is not that different to the EU's deal with Turkey and it is also of interest to other EU countries, so I'm not sure being in or out of the EU makes much difference.rick_chasey said:Gotta see the Rwanada thing through the Brexit lens. Soft lefty stuff stopping Brits "controlling their borders".
First it was the EU, now it's 'uman rights, etc.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Now there's an idea. If only...
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Genuinely interested - are they floating this as an actual idea they'd do if they had the time, or are they just trolling and winding up the wokerati? Actually, I wonder if there's a difference?
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How long until you get NHS through your work?
Sound familiar? Like another country where they are "investing" in the NHS?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Bad news for lazy ****ers everywhere?briantrumpet said:Genuinely interested - are they floating this as an actual idea they'd do if they had the time, or are they just trolling and winding up the wokerati? Actually, I wonder if there's a difference?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Can I ask how familiar you are with chronic health conditions?Stevo_666 said:
Bad news for lazy ****ers everywhere?briantrumpet said:Genuinely interested - are they floating this as an actual idea they'd do if they had the time, or are they just trolling and winding up the wokerati? Actually, I wonder if there's a difference?
Just the latest in a long list of things that will not happen.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition1 -
This on the other hand looks far less wankerish.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
I wonder why they don’t extend it to those work shy benefit claimants known as ‘pensioners’?briantrumpet said:Genuinely interested - are they floating this as an actual idea they'd do if they had the time, or are they just trolling and winding up the wokerati? Actually, I wonder if there's a difference?
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Stevo_666 said:
Bad news for lazy ****ers everywhere?briantrumpet said:Genuinely interested - are they floating this as an actual idea they'd do if they had the time, or are they just trolling and winding up the wokerati? Actually, I wonder if there's a difference?
Somehow I suspect they don't need to persuade you to vote for them, so your delight at the announcement isn't going to win them an election.0 -
The amount of support this small sector of the economy gets, in what I can only work out is some kind of Victorian nostalgia, is ridiculous.rjsterry said:This on the other hand looks far less wankerish.
Why not support the service sector which is 79% of the economy and 83% of employment?
Perhaps sort of your trade deals with the biggest trading partners to cover services? Hmm?
Brits and the government need to get over their self loathing that consulting, financial services, media, legal and education are the jewels in the British economy.0 -
You can't - "We're safeguarding our energy security, building our resilience for health emergencies and preparing for a green future." without manufacturing.rick_chasey said:
The amount of support this small sector of the economy gets, in what I can only work out is some kind of Victorian nostalgia, is ridiculous.rjsterry said:This on the other hand looks far less wankerish.
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That said, IIRC nuclear power has been foreign investment projects. The devil will be in the details.
I fear that those "jewels" are fading too.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Yeah they’re fading as the govt kicks the sh!t out of them on a regular basis and takes them for granted.pblakeney said:
You can't - "We're safeguarding our energy security, building our resilience for health emergencies and preparing for a green future." without manufacturing.rick_chasey said:
The amount of support this small sector of the economy gets, in what I can only work out is some kind of Victorian nostalgia, is ridiculous.rjsterry said:This on the other hand looks far less wankerish.
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That said, IIRC nuclear power has been foreign investment projects. The devil will be in the details.
I fear that those "jewels" are fading too.0 -
There is more room for growth in what you are misnaming "manfacturing", folks. So potentially much more value from the investment. Also, "manufacturing" needs services, not so much the other way around.
That list is the innovation economy that I service. So this investment, if done right, will be at the R&D and SME level. But knowing the Tories, there will be some headline sweetners for international companies to locate battery factories here, and suchlike, which creates jobs but not the high value domestic knowledge economy.0 -
There’s room for growth everywhere.First.Aspect said:There is more room for growth in what you are misnaming "manfacturing", folks. So potentially much more value from the investment. Also, "manufacturing" needs services, not so much the other way around.
That list is the innovation economy that I service. So this investment, if done right, will be at the R&D and SME level. But knowing the Tories, there will be some headline sweetners for international companies to locate battery factories here, and suchlike, which creates jobs but not the high value domestic knowledge economy.0 -
Sure, but if you have finite funding, where's it best spent, growing something that needs services, or growing services for things that are already served?rick_chasey said:
There’s room for growth everywhere.First.Aspect said:There is more room for growth in what you are misnaming "manfacturing", folks. So potentially much more value from the investment. Also, "manufacturing" needs services, not so much the other way around.
That list is the innovation economy that I service. So this investment, if done right, will be at the R&D and SME level. But knowing the Tories, there will be some headline sweetners for international companies to locate battery factories here, and suchlike, which creates jobs but not the high value domestic knowledge economy.
The knowledge economy is high value and the UK underperforms. There is no good reason why a PhD like shouldn't be developing something new in a well paid job, rather than doing what I do. But it was very difficult indeed to find decent employment in the UK when I graduated, using the skills I had. And I didn't want to move to the middle east at that stage of my life.
Really, the only options would have been poorly paid R&D, or join the army of scientists willing to risk working for startups, 95% of which fail.
What is good about investing in R&D is that it gives more of those companies a chance.0 -
UK is already world leader in R&D and translating university research into start ups.First.Aspect said:
Sure, but if you have finite funding, where's it best spent, growing something that needs services, or growing services for things that are already served?rick_chasey said:
There’s room for growth everywhere.First.Aspect said:There is more room for growth in what you are misnaming "manfacturing", folks. So potentially much more value from the investment. Also, "manufacturing" needs services, not so much the other way around.
That list is the innovation economy that I service. So this investment, if done right, will be at the R&D and SME level. But knowing the Tories, there will be some headline sweetners for international companies to locate battery factories here, and suchlike, which creates jobs but not the high value domestic knowledge economy.
The knowledge economy is high value and the UK underperforms. There is no good reason why a PhD like shouldn't be developing something new in a well paid job, rather than doing what I do. But it was very difficult indeed to find decent employment in the UK when I graduated, using the skills I had. And I didn't want to move to the middle east at that stage of my life.
Really, the only options would have been poorly paid R&D, or join the army of scientists willing to risk working for startups, 95% of which fail.
What is good about investing in R&D is that it gives more of those companies a chance.
This is because of its leading education sector.0 -
If it's 79% of the economy I'm not sure it needs support.rick_chasey said:
The amount of support this small sector of the economy gets, in what I can only work out is some kind of Victorian nostalgia, is ridiculous.rjsterry said:This on the other hand looks far less wankerish.
Why not support the service sector which is 79% of the economy and 83% of employment?
Perhaps sort of your trade deals with the biggest trading partners to cover services? Hmm?
Brits and the government need to get over their self loathing that consulting, financial services, media, legal and education are the jewels in the British economy.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Just because it’s a big part of the economy doesn’t necessarily mean it’s competitive internationally right?rjsterry said:
If it's 79% of the economy I'm not sure it needs support.rick_chasey said:
The amount of support this small sector of the economy gets, in what I can only work out is some kind of Victorian nostalgia, is ridiculous.rjsterry said:This on the other hand looks far less wankerish.
Why not support the service sector which is 79% of the economy and 83% of employment?
Perhaps sort of your trade deals with the biggest trading partners to cover services? Hmm?
Brits and the government need to get over their self loathing that consulting, financial services, media, legal and education are the jewels in the British economy.
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All the stuff on the list is either integral to the UK (grid network) or extremely risky. What services do you think are comparable that need funding?rick_chasey said:
Just because it’s a big part of the economy doesn’t necessarily mean it’s competitive internationally right?rjsterry said:
If it's 79% of the economy I'm not sure it needs support.rick_chasey said:
The amount of support this small sector of the economy gets, in what I can only work out is some kind of Victorian nostalgia, is ridiculous.rjsterry said:This on the other hand looks far less wankerish.
Why not support the service sector which is 79% of the economy and 83% of employment?
Perhaps sort of your trade deals with the biggest trading partners to cover services? Hmm?
Brits and the government need to get over their self loathing that consulting, financial services, media, legal and education are the jewels in the British economy.0 -
It’s not necessarily this specific instance it’s just it’s literally the only sector.TheBigBean said:
All the stuff on the list is either integral to the UK (grid network) or extremely risky. What services do you think are comparable that need funding?rick_chasey said:
Just because it’s a big part of the economy doesn’t necessarily mean it’s competitive internationally right?rjsterry said:
If it's 79% of the economy I'm not sure it needs support.rick_chasey said:
The amount of support this small sector of the economy gets, in what I can only work out is some kind of Victorian nostalgia, is ridiculous.rjsterry said:This on the other hand looks far less wankerish.
Why not support the service sector which is 79% of the economy and 83% of employment?
Perhaps sort of your trade deals with the biggest trading partners to cover services? Hmm?
Brits and the government need to get over their self loathing that consulting, financial services, media, legal and education are the jewels in the British economy.
Was the same in the Brexit negotiations.0 -
The UK has always bee innovative, but is behind the US and Germany I believe.rick_chasey said:
UK is already world leader in R&D and translating university research into start ups.First.Aspect said:
Sure, but if you have finite funding, where's it best spent, growing something that needs services, or growing services for things that are already served?rick_chasey said:
There’s room for growth everywhere.First.Aspect said:There is more room for growth in what you are misnaming "manfacturing", folks. So potentially much more value from the investment. Also, "manufacturing" needs services, not so much the other way around.
That list is the innovation economy that I service. So this investment, if done right, will be at the R&D and SME level. But knowing the Tories, there will be some headline sweetners for international companies to locate battery factories here, and suchlike, which creates jobs but not the high value domestic knowledge economy.
The knowledge economy is high value and the UK underperforms. There is no good reason why a PhD like shouldn't be developing something new in a well paid job, rather than doing what I do. But it was very difficult indeed to find decent employment in the UK when I graduated, using the skills I had. And I didn't want to move to the middle east at that stage of my life.
Really, the only options would have been poorly paid R&D, or join the army of scientists willing to risk working for startups, 95% of which fail.
What is good about investing in R&D is that it gives more of those companies a chance.
This is because of its leading education sector.
In terms of tech transfer from universities, we are fairly hopeless.
The issue is not inventive new stuff, it is keep than stuff past of the UK economy. It either withers on the vine or goes abroad for money and, if ultimately successful, manufacturing and often ownership.
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I just can't think of a service that needs government funding whereas I can think of a lot of net zero stuff that needs funding.rick_chasey said:
It’s not necessarily this specific instance it’s just it’s literally the only sector.TheBigBean said:
All the stuff on the list is either integral to the UK (grid network) or extremely risky. What services do you think are comparable that need funding?rick_chasey said:
Just because it’s a big part of the economy doesn’t necessarily mean it’s competitive internationally right?rjsterry said:
If it's 79% of the economy I'm not sure it needs support.rick_chasey said:
The amount of support this small sector of the economy gets, in what I can only work out is some kind of Victorian nostalgia, is ridiculous.rjsterry said:This on the other hand looks far less wankerish.
Why not support the service sector which is 79% of the economy and 83% of employment?
Perhaps sort of your trade deals with the biggest trading partners to cover services? Hmm?
Brits and the government need to get over their self loathing that consulting, financial services, media, legal and education are the jewels in the British economy.
Was the same in the Brexit negotiations.0 -
I thought you might take it the wrong way. Not everyone who isn't looking for work is a a lazy ****er, but there are a few lazy people for which it will be bad news.rjsterry said:
Can I ask how familiar you are with chronic health conditions?Stevo_666 said:
Bad news for lazy ****ers everywhere?briantrumpet said:Genuinely interested - are they floating this as an actual idea they'd do if they had the time, or are they just trolling and winding up the wokerati? Actually, I wonder if there's a difference?
Just the latest in a long list of things that will not happen.
Sorry, spoiled your 'look at the nasty Tory' moment
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
UK has about twice the rate of research converting to private enterprise than Germany. It is literally a world leader in tech transfer from university.First.Aspect said:
The UK has always bee innovative, but is behind the US and Germany I believe.rick_chasey said:
UK is already world leader in R&D and translating university research into start ups.First.Aspect said:
Sure, but if you have finite funding, where's it best spent, growing something that needs services, or growing services for things that are already served?rick_chasey said:
There’s room for growth everywhere.First.Aspect said:There is more room for growth in what you are misnaming "manfacturing", folks. So potentially much more value from the investment. Also, "manufacturing" needs services, not so much the other way around.
That list is the innovation economy that I service. So this investment, if done right, will be at the R&D and SME level. But knowing the Tories, there will be some headline sweetners for international companies to locate battery factories here, and suchlike, which creates jobs but not the high value domestic knowledge economy.
The knowledge economy is high value and the UK underperforms. There is no good reason why a PhD like shouldn't be developing something new in a well paid job, rather than doing what I do. But it was very difficult indeed to find decent employment in the UK when I graduated, using the skills I had. And I didn't want to move to the middle east at that stage of my life.
Really, the only options would have been poorly paid R&D, or join the army of scientists willing to risk working for startups, 95% of which fail.
What is good about investing in R&D is that it gives more of those companies a chance.
This is because of its leading education sector.
In terms of tech transfer from universities, we are fairly hopeless.
The issue is not inventive new stuff, it is keep than stuff past of the UK economy. It either withers on the vine or goes abroad for money and, if ultimately successful, manufacturing and often ownership.
UK has much lower corporate investment in general but that’s really to do with the political and regulatory instability since 2016.
UK obviously will invest less in manufacturing vs Germany as Germany is a big manufacturing economy.0 -
From 31st of Octoberrick_chasey said:
UK has more "deep tech" start ups than any other country in the world bar the US, and proportionally substantially more. "Okay" doesn't really cover it. It's pretty much world leading, and a British success story.First.Aspect said:
Oxford and Cambridge are okay, but there are proportionally more innovative universities and none of the UK universities are very good at it.rick_chasey said:
UK doesn’t have an entrepreneur problem. In fact it’s one of its strengths. Cambridge is one of the world leaders in turning research into business opportunities.focuszing723 said:How can we encourage/help our top Universities to create more tech/business entrepreneurs?
UK has a scaling problem. They don’t often get to that big size; they stay SMEs.
Not quite sure why me of all people needs to cheerlead the UK's success, but it should be unsurprising that at the intersection between the two industries where Britain is a world leader is a success story.0
