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Same mindset, yes.veronese68 said:
Much like culling old people in the pandemic?pblakeney said:
They die quicker?kingstongraham said:
How does making them more ill save money long term?Stevo_666 said:It's not that different from people who don't work enough and so don't pay enough National Insurance to get a full state pension. But I don't hear any moaning about that.
*Said in a facetious manner*The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
What happened to the last 5?
Are we just not bothering with NHS waiting lists now?
Or boats?
If we're going to relaunch every other week from now until the election this is going to be exhausting.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Keep going until they stumble across the right ones by pure dumb luck?rjsterry said:What happened to the last 5?
Are we just not bothering with NHS waiting lists now?
Or boats?
If we're going to relaunch every other week from now until the election this is going to be exhausting.0 -
Stopping people on benefits getting free access to the medication they are currently taking seems like it might be quite likely to do that.Stevo_666 said:
I never said it did. But then again, just stopping access to free NHS treatment per se doe not make someone ill.kingstongraham said:
How does making them more ill save money long term?Stevo_666 said:It's not that different from people who don't work enough and so don't pay enough National Insurance to get a full state pension. But I don't hear any moaning about that.
On a purely financial basis, it makes no sense.0 -
M&S accounts for 3.4% of the market.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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That has to be in the top 10 graphs ever posted on BR.2
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Arts degree.briantrumpet said:Just in case people harbour any lingering doubts about whether Johnson wasn't as bright as he thinks he is:
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That's one of the reasons I think the public enquiry is a bit shameful. Vallance went on to say that it was a common problem for all world leaders and that none of them quickly grasped scientific concepts, because they were politicians and not scientists. This then leads to a headline that Boris was a dimwit.briantrumpet said:Just in case people harbour any lingering doubts about whether Johnson wasn't as bright as he thinks he is:
He also said that scientists modelled the spread of covid badly and from the point of realisation that it had spread far quicker than expected, they locked down as quickly as they could.
I do think it is important to learn lessons, but I also think that any lessons learnt need to be appropriate for future pandemics, and any criticism needs to take into account the circumstances.0 -
First.Aspect said:
Arts degree.briantrumpet said:Just in case people harbour any lingering doubts about whether Johnson wasn't as bright as he thinks he is:
We probably need a graph, though I'll grant you that the chemist Thatcher was significantly more competent. Blair was a lawyer, Brown an historian, Major was a banker (no university),
https://www.quora.com/Who-was-the-first-ever-British-Prime-Minister-with-a-science-degreeTheresa May had a degree in Geography. That’s a sort of science, I have often described it as really slow physics for people who can’t do algebra but are good at trigonometry.
Gordon Brown did History. That claims to be a science. It’s not though. I can claim to be a ballerina in the same way.
Margaret Thatcher did Chemistry. That’s a science. Did you know she was one of the ones that came up with soft-scoop ice cream? Well, there you are then.
Douglas-Home and Atlee did Modern History. That’s History for people who can’t remember dates very well.
Baldwin and Chamberlain both did metallurgy. That’s a proper science. And they knew exactly how the Germans made bullets.
Balfour did Moral Sciences. No, I don’t know either. I think it’s Philosophy for people who can’t cope with rhetoric.
Gascoyne-Cecil, Peel, and Gladstone did Maths. That’s the oldest science there is. And the second-weirdest.
However if you look since the end of WWII five PMs have done PPE. Well, that explains a lot, doesn’t it? One of them was Liz Truss. Sigh.
Furthermore thirteen of them since then went to Oxford. Out of seventeen. Since 1945, you are more likely to become PM if you have no degree at all than you are if you have one from somewhere other than Oxford. Well, they’ve got that tied up in a pretty little bow, haven’t they?
How do you rate Chamberlain? I might suggest that his judgement of character might have been a bit lacking, and that was rather unfortunate at the time.0 -
I think it's more that he was just uninterested.First.Aspect said:
Arts degree.briantrumpet said:Just in case people harbour any lingering doubts about whether Johnson wasn't as bright as he thinks he is:
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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There were plenty of people on a random cycling forum that I use who aren't scientists, but who didn't struggle with the same sort of informationTheBigBean said:
That's one of the reasons I think the public enquiry is a bit shameful. Vallance went on to say that it was a common problem for all world leaders and that none of them quickly grasped scientific concepts, because they were politicians and not scientists. This then leads to a headline that Boris was a dimwit.briantrumpet said:Just in case people harbour any lingering doubts about whether Johnson wasn't as bright as he thinks he is:
He also said that scientists modelled the spread of covid badly and from the point of realisation that it had spread far quicker than expected, they locked down as quickly as they could.
I do think it is important to learn lessons, but I also think that any lessons learnt need to be appropriate for future pandemics, and any criticism needs to take into account the circumstances.0 -
Some even had arts degrees.First.Aspect said:
There were plenty of people on a random cycling forum that I use who aren't scientists, but who didn't struggle with the same sort of informationTheBigBean said:
That's one of the reasons I think the public enquiry is a bit shameful. Vallance went on to say that it was a common problem for all world leaders and that none of them quickly grasped scientific concepts, because they were politicians and not scientists. This then leads to a headline that Boris was a dimwit.briantrumpet said:Just in case people harbour any lingering doubts about whether Johnson wasn't as bright as he thinks he is:
He also said that scientists modelled the spread of covid badly and from the point of realisation that it had spread far quicker than expected, they locked down as quickly as they could.
I do think it is important to learn lessons, but I also think that any lessons learnt need to be appropriate for future pandemics, and any criticism needs to take into account the circumstances.2 -
As someone who studied metalurgy, I am intrigued to learn that it's more of a science that Chemistry
Especially since i did a BEng (material science & engineering)0 -
In fairness we all had access to televisions so could see it spreading around the world towards usFirst.Aspect said:
There were plenty of people on a random cycling forum that I use who aren't scientists, but who didn't struggle with the same sort of informationTheBigBean said:
That's one of the reasons I think the public enquiry is a bit shameful. Vallance went on to say that it was a common problem for all world leaders and that none of them quickly grasped scientific concepts, because they were politicians and not scientists. This then leads to a headline that Boris was a dimwit.briantrumpet said:Just in case people harbour any lingering doubts about whether Johnson wasn't as bright as he thinks he is:
He also said that scientists modelled the spread of covid badly and from the point of realisation that it had spread far quicker than expected, they locked down as quickly as they could.
I do think it is important to learn lessons, but I also think that any lessons learnt need to be appropriate for future pandemics, and any criticism needs to take into account the circumstances.0 -
Metallurgy is a specialism of chemistry.monkimark said:As someone who studied metalurgy, I am intrigued to learn that it's more of a science that Chemistry
Especially since i did a BEng (material science & engineering)0 -
I was hoping to get more of a rise out of people.rick_chasey said:
Some even had arts degrees.First.Aspect said:
There were plenty of people on a random cycling forum that I use who aren't scientists, but who didn't struggle with the same sort of informationTheBigBean said:
That's one of the reasons I think the public enquiry is a bit shameful. Vallance went on to say that it was a common problem for all world leaders and that none of them quickly grasped scientific concepts, because they were politicians and not scientists. This then leads to a headline that Boris was a dimwit.briantrumpet said:Just in case people harbour any lingering doubts about whether Johnson wasn't as bright as he thinks he is:
He also said that scientists modelled the spread of covid badly and from the point of realisation that it had spread far quicker than expected, they locked down as quickly as they could.
I do think it is important to learn lessons, but I also think that any lessons learnt need to be appropriate for future pandemics, and any criticism needs to take into account the circumstances.0 -
That astounded me!briantrumpet said:
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Margaret Thatcher did Chemistry. That’s a science. Did you know she was one of the ones that came up with soft-scoop ice cream? Well, there you are then.
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I looked it up and it turns out be not true. Mister Softee was in US 10 years prior.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
pblakeney said:
That astounded me!briantrumpet said:
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Margaret Thatcher did Chemistry. That’s a science. Did you know she was one of the ones that came up with soft-scoop ice cream? Well, there you are then.
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I looked it up and it turns out be not true. Mister Softee was in US 10 years prior.pblakeney said:
That astounded me!briantrumpet said:
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Margaret Thatcher did Chemistry. That’s a science. Did you know she was one of the ones that came up with soft-scoop ice cream? Well, there you are then.
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I looked it up and it turns out be not true. Mister Softee was in US 10 years prior.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-margaret-thatcher-soft-serve-myth
For those who like a bit more detail.0 -
It's something that should be considered. Can't confess to having thought it through, not high on my priority list.First.Aspect said:
Free at the point of care treatment is a fundamental part of our health service. Do you think that is something that should be changed? If so, why, how, what would be the consequences, and how would you address those?Stevo_666 said:It's not that different from people who don't work enough and so don't pay enough National Insurance to get a full state pension. But I don't hear any moaning about that.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It is possible that i knew what my degree was about (even if I have forgotten 99% of it). It's a bit of physics as well, but thanks.First.Aspect said:
Metallurgy is a specialism of chemistry.monkimark said:As someone who studied metalurgy, I am intrigued to learn that it's more of a science that Chemistry
Especially since i did a BEng (material science & engineering)0 -
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2013/apr/17/margaret-thatcher-team-mr-whippypblakeney said:
That astounded me!briantrumpet said:
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Margaret Thatcher did Chemistry. That’s a science. Did you know she was one of the ones that came up with soft-scoop ice cream? Well, there you are then.
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I looked it up and it turns out be not true. Mister Softee was in US 10 years prior.0 -
Not understanding the science is fine, dismissing or disagreeing with science you don't understand is just plain stupid.0
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Oh dear, the government loses another court case, this time over river pollution. I wonder what Steve Barclay (who is married to an executive at Anglian Water, which is under investigation for potential illegal dumping of raw sewage) is going to do about that. Change the law to show that sewage is not sewage, perhaps?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/20/defras-failure-to-protect-and-restore-water-bodies-unlawful-high-court-rulesThe high court ruled that the government and the Environment Agency had failed in their mandatory legal duties to review, update and put in place measures to restore rivers and other water bodies under the Water Framework Directive regulations. The judge concluded there was no evidence the programme of measures could be expected to achieve the stated environmental objectives.
The judge accepted discharges were contributing to the poor condition of the river and said that, under the regulations, discharges for specific rivers such as the Costa Beck need to be regulated more tightly, if their condition is to improve.
The judge characterised the approach of the secretary of state for the environment as one of “smoke and mirrors”. The angling club, which won the court case, said the secretary of state was planning to fail.
Lawyers believe the ruling means the basis for the government’s plans to protect waterways from pollution – which have been criticised as weak – could be unlawful, and ministers could be forced to strengthen their measures.0 -
Public services all struggling after years of underfunding , best solution? Tax cuts of course!0
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The tory way is me, me, me.vincesummerskRoxcBTr said:Public services all struggling after years of underfunding , best solution? Tax cuts of course!
Public services are for the poor/Labour voters.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
In Sept we borrowed £14bn so we must take immediate action to push it to ever higher levels0
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This feels quite strange for a worldly wise type such as yourself tbh. There have been quite extensive discussions in the media since the pandemic about the problems caused during the pandemic of delayed early diagnoses (resulting in more folk becoming ill than would otherwise have been the case) and delayed treatment of relatively minor conditions (which results in more serious cases that are harder to fix). In short, at the margins, more people are too ill to work, whilst needing care, and folk voluntarily withdraw from the labour market to provide care. Long term sickness is one of the factors unique to the UK post-pandemic that have fuelled inflation via labour shortages i.e. there is more long term sickness in the UK now relative to pre-pandemic than in many other advanced economies.Stevo_666 said:
It's something that should be considered. Can't confess to having thought it through, not high on my priority list.First.Aspect said:
Free at the point of care treatment is a fundamental part of our health service. Do you think that is something that should be changed? If so, why, how, what would be the consequences, and how would you address those?Stevo_666 said:It's not that different from people who don't work enough and so don't pay enough National Insurance to get a full state pension. But I don't hear any moaning about that.
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I could see a case for the basic rate of income tax or VAT to reduce by 1p or 2p, but from what I've read, one of the cuts being talked about is Inheritance Tax, which is not really of much benefit for those currently struggling.vincesummerskRoxcBTr said:Public services all struggling after years of underfunding , best solution? Tax cuts of course!
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far better off using the money to get rid of the cliff edges and remove disincentives to do stuff.wallace_and_gromit said:
I could see a case for the basic rate of income tax or VAT to reduce by 1p or 2p, but from what I've read, one of the cuts being talked about is Inheritance Tax, which is not really of much benefit for those currently struggling.vincesummerskRoxcBTr said:Public services all struggling after years of underfunding , best solution? Tax cuts of course!
If you made IHT 5% and removed all exemptions you might raise more meoney1
