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rjsterry

Apart from Loon, I've not seen any 'bile'. Think you're imagining it.

briantrumpet

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

No-one hates the Tories as much as other Tories.

Sounds like you haven't been reading most of the posts on here

Laughing at them, not hating them. You have to admit, this is all quite funny.

The bile spewed in here is quite amusing but a little bit sad at the same time

Do you not get even a little cross at utter incompetence? After all, it is 'your team' that's going down the plughole while falling out with each other.

rick_chasey

Been saying this for a long time.

https://twitter.com/maitlis/status/1724531149710467325?s=46&t=Q7O5dnx-0MXQv9qE3vz1vg

rick_chasey

Where is this document Sunak apparently signed?

Stevo_666

Some good news on inflation:
https://independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/inflation-fall-latest-sunak-wage-growth-b2447523.html

pblakeney

A nice headline but...

"A dramatic fall - but the pain of this bout of inflation isn’t over yet.

A drop below 5% has allowed the government to say its pledge to halve inflation this year has been met. But by whose actions?

It’s global energy (commodity) prices that initially triggered the spike of inflation. And it’s a drop in those that led to a fall in Ofgem’s domestic energy price cap in October, the main driver of lower inflation last month.

And it’s the interest rates set by the independent Bank of England that have done much of the heavy lifting in bringing down the rest of inflation this year.

Strip out the likes of energy and food, and you’re left with core inflation – representing many non-essential items. A fall in that measure has heightened expectations that rates have peaked.

So while the numbers may improve the mood in Downing Street, they overwhelmingly reflect the other factors.

In any case, inflation of 5% - and in particular food inflation of 10% - still means prices are substantially higher than a year ago. The pain isn’t over."

rick_chasey

Sure, though just as Sunak can't have it both ways, neither can we.

If we want to pin inflation on the government, and I think we have, we also need to pin the reduction on the gov't.

In reality, we ought to be looking at comparable countries and how the UK inflation rates compare so we get a better idea of what the government inflation premium or discount is.

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

Sure, though just as Sunak can't have it both ways, neither can we.

If we want to pin inflation on the government, and I think we have, we also need to pin the reduction on the gov't.

In reality, we ought to be looking at comparable countries and how the UK inflation rates compare so we get a better idea of what the government inflation premium or discount is.

I haven't. I've been consistent that our government has much less control over events than people think, or the government would like.

wallace_and_gromit

pblakeney said:

A nice headline but...

"A dramatic fall - but the pain of this bout of inflation isn’t over yet.

A drop below 5% has allowed the government to say its pledge to halve inflation this year has been met. But by whose actions?

It’s global energy (commodity) prices that initially triggered the spike of inflation. And it’s a drop in those that led to a fall in Ofgem’s domestic energy price cap in October, the main driver of lower inflation last month.

And it’s the interest rates set by the independent Bank of England that have done much of the heavy lifting in bringing down the rest of inflation this year.

Strip out the likes of energy and food, and you’re left with core inflation – representing many non-essential items. A fall in that measure has heightened expectations that rates have peaked.

So while the numbers may improve the mood in Downing Street, they overwhelmingly reflect the other factors.

In any case, inflation of 5% - and in particular food inflation of 10% - still means prices are substantially higher than a year ago. The pain isn’t over."

Worth noting though that much of the inflation driving the current 12 month backwards looking measure occurred in the first quarter of this year. The CPI itself has risen from 129.1 to 130.2 in the 5 months since May, which is equivalent to an annualised rate of almost exactly 2%.

That obviously doesn't mean that prices aren't circa 5% higher than they were a year ago, but it does more accurately reflect the current position re inflationary pressures in the economy than the standard 12 month measure.

wallace_and_gromit

rjsterry said:

Apart from Loon, I've not seen any 'bile'. Think you're imagining it.

Indeed. Without wanting to big myself up, it's people like me that Stevo should be worried about. I was a life-long Tory voter prior to 2019 but there's no way on earth that I will vote for them again with the likes of Braverman, Anderson etc. on the roster. There comes a time when whatever your views on tax, you have to prioritise simple human decency. To have elevated discussion about leaving the human rights and refugee conventions into the political mainstream just beggars belief. Or maybe I'm just a bed-wetting liberal these days.

TheBigBean

wallace_and_gromit said:

rjsterry said:

Apart from Loon, I've not seen any 'bile'. Think you're imagining it.

Indeed. Without wanting to big myself up, it's people like me that Stevo should be worried about. I was a life-long Tory voter prior to 2019 but there's no way on earth that I will vote for them again with the likes of Braverman, Anderson etc. on the roster. There comes a time when whatever your views on tax, you have to prioritise simple human decency. To have elevated discussion about leaving the human rights and refugee conventions into the political mainstream just beggars belief. Or maybe I'm just a bed-wetting liberal these days.

You managed to vote for Howard and IDS though?

pangolin

I'm surprised food is still at 10%. It feels like it has calmed down a bit. Very subjective to what you are buying I suppose.

wallace_and_gromit

TheBigBean said:

wallace_and_gromit said:

rjsterry said:

Apart from Loon, I've not seen any 'bile'. Think you're imagining it.

Indeed. Without wanting to big myself up, it's people like me that Stevo should be worried about. I was a life-long Tory voter prior to 2019 but there's no way on earth that I will vote for them again with the likes of Braverman, Anderson etc. on the roster. There comes a time when whatever your views on tax, you have to prioritise simple human decency. To have elevated discussion about leaving the human rights and refugee conventions into the political mainstream just beggars belief. Or maybe I'm just a bed-wetting liberal these days.

You managed to vote for Howard and IDS though?

I voted for Howard, but never for IDS as he was too much even for the Tories and got deposed without troubling a GE campaign.

I'd always viewed Labour as being well-meaning but incompetent with the Tories being if not competent then at least grounded in the real world, but with a strong element of "tough love" involved.

My views on Labour haven't changed, but since the b*ggering around from Tory MPs during the Brexit negotiations and the rhetoric from the Johnson regime (particularly ploughing ahead with disregarding treaty commitments) I've had to acknowledge to myself that the Tories are neither competent nor grounded in the real world and the "tough love" image was actually just cunning polishing of a genuine desire to kick those who can't defend themselves in the nether regions just because they can do so.

TheBigBean

pangolin said:

I'm surprised food is still at 10%. It feels like it has calmed down a bit. Very subjective to what you are buying I suppose.

From other thread

TheBigBean said:

Annualised inflation from the last five months by category. Maybe it needs to be taught in schools.

Food and non- alcoholic beverages 2.00%
Alcoholic beverages and tobacco 6.61%
Clothing and footwear 7.99%
Housing, water, electricity, gas & other fuels -12.33%
Furniture, household equipment & routine maintenance -2.24%
Health 3 6.03%
Transport 1.25%
Communic- ation -1.83%
Recreation and culture 5.08%
Education 3 11.10%
Restaurants and hotels 5.14%
Miscell- aneous goods and services 3 3.12%
CPI (overall index) 1.28%

rjsterry

rick_chasey said:

Sure, though just as Sunak can't have it both ways, neither can we.

If we want to pin inflation on the government, and I think we have, we also need to pin the reduction on the gov't.

In reality, we ought to be looking at comparable countries and how the UK inflation rates compare so we get a better idea of what the government inflation premium or discount is.

I don't. They have minimal impact either way.

pangolin

TheBigBean said:

pangolin said:

I'm surprised food is still at 10%. It feels like it has calmed down a bit. Very subjective to what you are buying I suppose.

From other thread

TheBigBean said:

Annualised inflation from the last five months by category. Maybe it needs to be taught in schools.

Food and non- alcoholic beverages 2.00%
Alcoholic beverages and tobacco 6.61%
Clothing and footwear 7.99%
Housing, water, electricity, gas & other fuels -12.33%
Furniture, household equipment & routine maintenance -2.24%
Health 3 6.03%
Transport 1.25%
Communic- ation -1.83%
Recreation and culture 5.08%
Education 3 11.10%
Restaurants and hotels 5.14%
Miscell- aneous goods and services 3 3.12%
CPI (overall index) 1.28%

Yes I just read that, good point!

pangolin

Rwanda deportation plan getting another spanking

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67418363

briantrumpet

pangolin said:

Rwanda deportation plan getting another spanking

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67418363

I suspect Braverman will be missing the opportunity, as HS, to blame the judges as enemies of the people... though I'm sure others will step up.

TheBigBean

briantrumpet said:

pangolin said:

Rwanda deportation plan getting another spanking

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67418363

I suspect Braverman will be missing the opportunity, as HS, to blame the judges as enemies of the people... though I'm sure others will step up.

She expected to lose. She said so in her letter to Sunak.

rjsterry

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

pangolin said:

Rwanda deportation plan getting another spanking

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67418363

I suspect Braverman will be missing the opportunity, as HS, to blame the judges as enemies of the people... though I'm sure others will step up.

She expected to lose. She said so in her letter to Sunak.

I'd understood that it was never intended to actually succeed and was essentially a campaigning device: something to get GBN viewers angry when they're not fussing about Christmas being cancelled or poppies.

TheBigBean

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

pangolin said:

Rwanda deportation plan getting another spanking

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67418363

I suspect Braverman will be missing the opportunity, as HS, to blame the judges as enemies of the people... though I'm sure others will step up.

She expected to lose. She said so in her letter to Sunak.

I'd understood that it was never intended to actually succeed and was essentially a campaigning device: something to get GBN viewers angry when they're not fussing about Christmas being cancelled or poppies.

Braverman wanted it to succeed, but knew it needed a change in law. Well, that's what she said.

Stevo_666

briantrumpet said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

No-one hates the Tories as much as other Tories.

Sounds like you haven't been reading most of the posts on here

Laughing at them, not hating them. You have to admit, this is all quite funny.

The bile spewed in here is quite amusing but a little bit sad at the same time

Do you not get even a little cross at utter incompetence? After all, it is 'your team' that's going down the plughole while falling out with each other.

They have made mistakes sure, but this thread and others has just become a repetive bile fest and after while you tend to tune out. I also maintain that in the absence of a credible alternative, much of the whining is a bit pointless. Who really thinks that Labour will make any real difference?

veronese68

Stevo_666 said:

Who really thinks that Labour will make any real difference?

I just hope they're not as incompetent as the current lot

Stevo_666

veronese68 said:

Stevo_666 said:

Who really thinks that Labour will make any real difference?

I just hope they're not as incompetent as the current lot

I suspect that the 'Labour Party' thread may become very active if they win the election

veronese68

Stevo_666 said:

veronese68 said:

Stevo_666 said:

Who really thinks that Labour will make any real difference?

I just hope they're not as incompetent as the current lot

I suspect that the 'Labour Party' thread may become very active if they win the election

They should be held to account just as much of course, not that moaning on a cycling forum is really holding them to account

Stevo_666

veronese68 said:

Stevo_666 said:

veronese68 said:

Stevo_666 said:

Who really thinks that Labour will make any real difference?

I just hope they're not as incompetent as the current lot

I suspect that the 'Labour Party' thread may become very active if they win the election

They should be held to account just as much of course, not that moaning on a cycling forum is really holding them to account

True.

I think the moaning on here is a good way for some people to vent their frustrations with life as much as anything else.

wallace_and_gromit

Stevo_666 said:

Who really thinks that Labour will make any real difference?

I'm fairly sure that the next Labour government won't ever be discussing policies that will break treaty commitments, even in a "limited and specific way" or sign up to treaties in the full expectation of not honouring them.

Likewise, I'm fairly sure Labour won't have senior figures openly agitating to abandon Human Rights' treaties.

Economically, I doubt they'll be that different though, so I guess that's a good reason to carry on voting Tory.

kingstongraham

Unless they are changing the policy comprehensively, this feels like a waste of time and even more money.

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1724779822801473672?t=FQS3IOe5JAJuNyLcpS6tyQ&s=19

pangolin

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

No-one hates the Tories as much as other Tories.

Sounds like you haven't been reading most of the posts on here

Laughing at them, not hating them. You have to admit, this is all quite funny.

The bile spewed in here is quite amusing but a little bit sad at the same time

Do you not get even a little cross at utter incompetence? After all, it is 'your team' that's going down the plughole while falling out with each other.

They have made mistakes sure, but this thread and others has just become a repetive bile fest and after while you tend to tune out. I also maintain that in the absence of a credible alternative, much of the whining is a bit pointless. Who really thinks that Labour will make any real difference?

This is a new Stevo rule I wasn't aware of. Are we allowed to discuss the first few mistakes but then expected to take it as par for the course if they keep making them?

As you bought it up, I look forward to you setting an example of this over on the Labour thread.

Stevo_666

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

No-one hates the Tories as much as other Tories.

Sounds like you haven't been reading most of the posts on here

Laughing at them, not hating them. You have to admit, this is all quite funny.

The bile spewed in here is quite amusing but a little bit sad at the same time

Do you not get even a little cross at utter incompetence? After all, it is 'your team' that's going down the plughole while falling out with each other.

They have made mistakes sure, but this thread and others has just become a repetive bile fest and after while you tend to tune out. I also maintain that in the absence of a credible alternative, much of the whining is a bit pointless. Who really thinks that Labour will make any real difference?

This is a new Stevo rule I wasn't aware of. Are we allowed to discuss the first few mistakes but then expected to take it as par for the course if they keep making them?

As you bought it up, I look forward to you setting an example of this over on the Labour thread.

There's a subtitle difference between discussing possible mistakes and just outpouring of bile. I think even you will realise that.