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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    It's quite impressive to have the same Home Secretary sacked twice in just over a year. That doesn't seem like something that happens all the time.
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    "We're currently experiencing unexpectedly high cabinet turnover. Please stay in the party. Your vote is important to us."
    - Genesis Croix de Fer
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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    Shows just how far down the plughole the dUK has been drawn by #toryscum shenanigans when the shiny-faced pig botherer seems relatively sane.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    They'll be bringing back an AI Thatcher soon.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    rick_chasey said:

    TheBigBean said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Nothing says a stable government than 3 PMs in 2 years and a cabinet reshuffled in the third a year in.

    Cabinet reshuffles are not unusual and home secretaries are usually short lived. Theresa May was an exception.
    Sorry, you think this is business as usual?
    Yes, but not bringing back Cameron.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    kingstongraham said:

    Nothing says "we're the change party" like bringing your ex-leader back to the cabinet.

    Maybe Lord Johnson could be brought back as health sec and Truss in as chancellor. Actually, Johnson wouldn't be able to afford to take the pay cut.

    This is what ensures he won't be the leader of the opposition.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Sunak: "This one's done, maybe there's another old barrel somewhere I can start scraping the bottom of?"
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    focuszing723 said:

    They'll be bringing back an AI Thatcher soon.

    Didn't they try that last year?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    6th home secretary and 7th foreign secretary in 7 years.

    What a joke.
    _
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    Sure, but when you think about football managers it's pretty good going really.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    If he was going for an unconventional appointment, it would have made more sense to bring in David Lammy.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,327
    edited November 2023
    rick_chasey said:

    6th home secretary and 7th foreign secretary in 7 years.

    What a joke.

    Four Prime Ministers too.
    Three while Biden has been in charge.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    rick_chasey said:

    6th home secretary and 7th foreign secretary in 7 years.

    What a joke.

    For context, in the period between 11th May 2001 and 11th May 2010 (so 9 years), there were 6 home secretaries: Straw, Blunkett, Clarke, Reid, Smith and Johnson.

    Braverman being sacked twice from the same job in the same year is notable, but shuffling home secretaries is not.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    Although Labour had only four foreign secretaries in 13 years.

    (Six home secretaries).
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    TheBigBean said:

    rick_chasey said:

    6th home secretary and 7th foreign secretary in 7 years.

    What a joke.

    For context, in the period between 11th May 2001 and 11th May 2010 (so 9 years), there were 6 home secretaries: Straw, Blunkett, Clarke, Reid, Smith and Johnson.

    Braverman being sacked twice from the same job in the same year is notable, but shuffling home secretaries is not.
    Four changes in 15 months is unusual.
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    edited November 2023
    Straight in there with the boats

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-67403090

    I guess they have to stay true to pretending to work on the policies that didn't get them elected.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    TheBigBean said:

    Although Labour had only four foreign secretaries in 13 years.

    (Six home secretaries).

    One might conclude that this is why the HO is such a complete bin fire and how things like the Windrush scandal happen.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    rjsterry said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Although Labour had only four foreign secretaries in 13 years.

    (Six home secretaries).

    One might conclude that this is why the HO is such a complete bin fire and how things like the Windrush scandal happen.
    That happened under one of its long term occupants though, so I don't think it proves your theory.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    TheBigBean said:

    rjsterry said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Although Labour had only four foreign secretaries in 13 years.

    (Six home secretaries).

    One might conclude that this is why the HO is such a complete bin fire and how things like the Windrush scandal happen.
    That happened under one of its long term occupants though, so I don't think it proves your theory.
    The scandal is ongoing as they still haven't made good their multiple errors and under the previous HS have not been very interested in doing so. It's also far from the only mess under that department's responsibility.

    Here's a comment from 5 years ago.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/04/19/wish-surprised-windrush-scandal-home-office-has-basket-case/
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  • MidlandsGrimpeur2
    MidlandsGrimpeur2 Posts: 2,115
    All of this proves one fundamental rule of politics, for it to work you need serious people making serious decisions, everything else is just noise. The Tories no longer have anyone serious or credible in their ranks.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    I guess it shows how bad the polls are that they'll give up any Brexit alliances for any morsel of electability.
    _
  • vincesummerskRoxcBTr
    vincesummerskRoxcBTr Posts: 1,081
    Appointing ministers who aren't standing MPs feels very undemocratic, I am surprised it is actually allowed!
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    pangolin said:

    Why do this if you're Cameron? Just to get fast-tracked to being a Lord?

    Because he's been made a lord in this way, he doesn't go through the appointments committee, so no unfortunate questions about Greensill get asked.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    kingstongraham said:

    pangolin said:

    Why do this if you're Cameron? Just to get fast-tracked to being a Lord?

    Because he's been made a lord in this way, he doesn't go through the appointments committee, so no unfortunate questions about Greensill get asked.
    He is however importing the scandal back into the cabinet.
    _
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    But he is now a lord, which wasn't guaranteed if anyone looked into his lobbying.

    Doesn't make much difference to the next election result does it? I guess sunak thinks he might help save a few home counties seats.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    pangolin said:



    I guess they have to stay true to pretending to work on the policies that didn't get them elected.

    I think it is overlooked how much this point is valued by the electorate i.e. ignoring the manifesto that they all campaigned for.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    I think everyone's gone from the health department.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    kingstongraham said:

    I think everyone's gone from the health department.

    Maybe setting up another big return...


  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    No-one wants to be carrying the can when the waiting times are a record high and it's another winter of strikes.
    _
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    Osborne is probably glad he didn't get a call. Dorries must be absolutely seething that Cameron has just waltzed into the Lords. 🙂
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