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I think that's called fraud.Pross said:
To be properly on brand they'll sell it to a Developer or Developers on their approved donor list at a fraction of market value before the election leaving it impossible to build the route without going through a fresh CPO where said Developers get more than they paid.kingstongraham said:
Unless the government sells the land that's already been bought really quickly, to make sure that it costs the country even more in the long term.kingstongraham said:If Labour opposes any of this, they just need to say so and it doesn't happen. If they want hs2 to go to Manchester, it happens. If they oppose the new A levels, they dont happen. This is not a genuine government.
Which would be on brand.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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As an aside, the major part of the alternative to HS2 - trans-Pennine electrification - was announced in 2014 and was supposed to be completed last year at a cost of £39bn.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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It does feel like they have replaced hs2 with a load of things that were already planned to happen, and some fixed potholes. And the "one more lane" solution on some roads, which always works great.rjsterry said:As an aside, the major part of the alternative to HS2 - trans-Pennine electrification - was announced in 2014 and was supposed to be completed last year at a cost of £39bn.
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I don't think that is necessarily a problem.rjsterry said:
I think that's called fraud.Pross said:
To be properly on brand they'll sell it to a Developer or Developers on their approved donor list at a fraction of market value before the election leaving it impossible to build the route without going through a fresh CPO where said Developers get more than they paid.kingstongraham said:
Unless the government sells the land that's already been bought really quickly, to make sure that it costs the country even more in the long term.kingstongraham said:If Labour opposes any of this, they just need to say so and it doesn't happen. If they want hs2 to go to Manchester, it happens. If they oppose the new A levels, they dont happen. This is not a genuine government.
Which would be on brand.0 -
It’s the new Tory way.rjsterry said:
I think that's called fraud.Pross said:
To be properly on brand they'll sell it to a Developer or Developers on their approved donor list at a fraction of market value before the election leaving it impossible to build the route without going through a fresh CPO where said Developers get more than they paid.kingstongraham said:
Unless the government sells the land that's already been bought really quickly, to make sure that it costs the country even more in the long term.kingstongraham said:If Labour opposes any of this, they just need to say so and it doesn't happen. If they want hs2 to go to Manchester, it happens. If they oppose the new A levels, they dont happen. This is not a genuine government.
Which would be on brand.
That reminds me. What’s Michelle Mone up to these days?
Mone by name, money by nature.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It's also rather costly treating heart disease, strokes and cancer.TheBigBean said:
Smoking affects other people though. Even if you ignore the passive smoke, there is a lot of litter, and people have managed to justify a ban on plastic straws, so banning smoking doesn't seem outrageous.rjsterry said:
You can drive a car, start a family, take out a mortgage, etc, etc but you're not old enough to smoke?First.Aspect said:
It's arbitrary already isn't it.rjsterry said:
The harms of excessive alcohol consumption have been known since brewing beer was invented. We've tried prohibition and it was a less than roaring success.First.Aspect said:
Why? Has been known for 75 years that it leads to premature death and a myriad health problems in addition that incur costs for the NHS. What is wrong with public health policy that reduces those harms?Jezyboy said:First.Aspect said:
Because I think grown adults should be allowed to smoke if they want to.First.Aspect said:
I don't think it should be banned, just taxed to bugg3ry. Don't see any harm in raising the legal age to 21 or 25 or something like that, either.
I loathe smoking, but the last thing we need is more authoritarian intervention.
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Fine. Ban them outright. Or don't. But let's not pretend that will solve the problem or that treating adults like children will end well.First.Aspect said:
It's also rather costly treating heart disease, strokes and cancer.TheBigBean said:
Smoking affects other people though. Even if you ignore the passive smoke, there is a lot of litter, and people have managed to justify a ban on plastic straws, so banning smoking doesn't seem outrageous.rjsterry said:
You can drive a car, start a family, take out a mortgage, etc, etc but you're not old enough to smoke?First.Aspect said:
It's arbitrary already isn't it.rjsterry said:
The harms of excessive alcohol consumption have been known since brewing beer was invented. We've tried prohibition and it was a less than roaring success.First.Aspect said:
Why? Has been known for 75 years that it leads to premature death and a myriad health problems in addition that incur costs for the NHS. What is wrong with public health policy that reduces those harms?Jezyboy said:First.Aspect said:
Because I think grown adults should be allowed to smoke if they want to.First.Aspect said:
I don't think it should be banned, just taxed to bugg3ry. Don't see any harm in raising the legal age to 21 or 25 or something like that, either.
I loathe smoking, but the last thing we need is more authoritarian intervention.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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The alternative to plastic straws seem to work pretty well. Some of the alternatives to cigarettes have much worse waste. Obviously the health impacts of smoking are awful. Although the wider societal impacts of alcohol seem a lot worse.rjsterry said:
Fine. Ban them outright. Or don't. But let's not pretend that will solve the problem or that treating adults like children will end well.First.Aspect said:
It's also rather costly treating heart disease, strokes and cancer.TheBigBean said:
Smoking affects other people though. Even if you ignore the passive smoke, there is a lot of litter, and people have managed to justify a ban on plastic straws, so banning smoking doesn't seem outrageous.rjsterry said:
You can drive a car, start a family, take out a mortgage, etc, etc but you're not old enough to smoke?First.Aspect said:
It's arbitrary already isn't it.rjsterry said:
The harms of excessive alcohol consumption have been known since brewing beer was invented. We've tried prohibition and it was a less than roaring success.First.Aspect said:
Why? Has been known for 75 years that it leads to premature death and a myriad health problems in addition that incur costs for the NHS. What is wrong with public health policy that reduces those harms?Jezyboy said:First.Aspect said:
Because I think grown adults should be allowed to smoke if they want to.First.Aspect said:
I don't think it should be banned, just taxed to bugg3ry. Don't see any harm in raising the legal age to 21 or 25 or something like that, either.
I loathe smoking, but the last thing we need is more authoritarian intervention.
(I'd be in favour of heavily taxing single use plastic straws and cigarettes instead of an outright ban though)
Personally I've enjoyed a cigar every now and then, and don't mind shisha, although it's been ages since I've partaken.
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No I agree and it's learly another distraction policy announcement.rjsterry said:
Fine. Ban them outright. Or don't. But let's not pretend that will solve the problem or that treating adults like children will end well.First.Aspect said:
It's also rather costly treating heart disease, strokes and cancer.TheBigBean said:
Smoking affects other people though. Even if you ignore the passive smoke, there is a lot of litter, and people have managed to justify a ban on plastic straws, so banning smoking doesn't seem outrageous.rjsterry said:
You can drive a car, start a family, take out a mortgage, etc, etc but you're not old enough to smoke?First.Aspect said:
It's arbitrary already isn't it.rjsterry said:
The harms of excessive alcohol consumption have been known since brewing beer was invented. We've tried prohibition and it was a less than roaring success.First.Aspect said:
Why? Has been known for 75 years that it leads to premature death and a myriad health problems in addition that incur costs for the NHS. What is wrong with public health policy that reduces those harms?Jezyboy said:First.Aspect said:
Because I think grown adults should be allowed to smoke if they want to.First.Aspect said:
I don't think it should be banned, just taxed to bugg3ry. Don't see any harm in raising the legal age to 21 or 25 or something like that, either.
I loathe smoking, but the last thing we need is more authoritarian intervention.
"What can we do to fix the country and get elected?"
- Nothing.
"What can we do to get elected?"
- Nothing.
"There much be something that would win a few cheap votes?"
- Well, you could rebrand A levels as A* levels?
"Okay, anything else?"
- You could impose minimum maximum speed limits.
"Great. But we've wrecked the NHS and we can't privatise it in time. Is there anything we can do on health?"
- Ban smoking. Hardly anyone does it any more, so Jeremy won't mind.0 -
They should have a conference every week
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Nothing works as well as a plastic straw.Jezyboy said:
The alternative to plastic straws seem to work pretty well. Some of the alternatives to cigarettes have much worse waste. Obviously the health impacts of smoking are awful. Although the wider societal impacts of alcohol seem a lot worse.rjsterry said:
Fine. Ban them outright. Or don't. But let's not pretend that will solve the problem or that treating adults like children will end well.First.Aspect said:
It's also rather costly treating heart disease, strokes and cancer.TheBigBean said:
Smoking affects other people though. Even if you ignore the passive smoke, there is a lot of litter, and people have managed to justify a ban on plastic straws, so banning smoking doesn't seem outrageous.rjsterry said:
You can drive a car, start a family, take out a mortgage, etc, etc but you're not old enough to smoke?First.Aspect said:
It's arbitrary already isn't it.rjsterry said:
The harms of excessive alcohol consumption have been known since brewing beer was invented. We've tried prohibition and it was a less than roaring success.First.Aspect said:
Why? Has been known for 75 years that it leads to premature death and a myriad health problems in addition that incur costs for the NHS. What is wrong with public health policy that reduces those harms?Jezyboy said:First.Aspect said:
Because I think grown adults should be allowed to smoke if they want to.First.Aspect said:
I don't think it should be banned, just taxed to bugg3ry. Don't see any harm in raising the legal age to 21 or 25 or something like that, either.
I loathe smoking, but the last thing we need is more authoritarian intervention.
(I'd be in favour of heavily taxing single use plastic straws and cigarettes instead of an outright ban though)
Personally I've enjoyed a cigar every now and then, and don't mind shisha, although it's been ages since I've partaken.0 -
I don't know how they maintain this consistency.
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I have re-usable plastic straws.TheBigBean said:
Nothing works as well as a plastic straw.Jezyboy said:
The alternative to plastic straws seem to work pretty well. Some of the alternatives to cigarettes have much worse waste. Obviously the health impacts of smoking are awful. Although the wider societal impacts of alcohol seem a lot worse.rjsterry said:
Fine. Ban them outright. Or don't. But let's not pretend that will solve the problem or that treating adults like children will end well.First.Aspect said:
It's also rather costly treating heart disease, strokes and cancer.TheBigBean said:
Smoking affects other people though. Even if you ignore the passive smoke, there is a lot of litter, and people have managed to justify a ban on plastic straws, so banning smoking doesn't seem outrageous.rjsterry said:
You can drive a car, start a family, take out a mortgage, etc, etc but you're not old enough to smoke?First.Aspect said:
It's arbitrary already isn't it.rjsterry said:
The harms of excessive alcohol consumption have been known since brewing beer was invented. We've tried prohibition and it was a less than roaring success.First.Aspect said:
Why? Has been known for 75 years that it leads to premature death and a myriad health problems in addition that incur costs for the NHS. What is wrong with public health policy that reduces those harms?Jezyboy said:First.Aspect said:
Because I think grown adults should be allowed to smoke if they want to.First.Aspect said:
I don't think it should be banned, just taxed to bugg3ry. Don't see any harm in raising the legal age to 21 or 25 or something like that, either.
I loathe smoking, but the last thing we need is more authoritarian intervention.
(I'd be in favour of heavily taxing single use plastic straws and cigarettes instead of an outright ban though)
Personally I've enjoyed a cigar every now and then, and don't mind shisha, although it's been ages since I've partaken.
They work as well as a plastic straw.0 -
Except for the difficulty cleaning them. Best I have found are glass ones, but they break.Jezyboy said:
I have re-usable plastic straws.TheBigBean said:
Nothing works as well as a plastic straw.Jezyboy said:
The alternative to plastic straws seem to work pretty well. Some of the alternatives to cigarettes have much worse waste. Obviously the health impacts of smoking are awful. Although the wider societal impacts of alcohol seem a lot worse.rjsterry said:
Fine. Ban them outright. Or don't. But let's not pretend that will solve the problem or that treating adults like children will end well.First.Aspect said:
It's also rather costly treating heart disease, strokes and cancer.TheBigBean said:
Smoking affects other people though. Even if you ignore the passive smoke, there is a lot of litter, and people have managed to justify a ban on plastic straws, so banning smoking doesn't seem outrageous.rjsterry said:
You can drive a car, start a family, take out a mortgage, etc, etc but you're not old enough to smoke?First.Aspect said:
It's arbitrary already isn't it.rjsterry said:
The harms of excessive alcohol consumption have been known since brewing beer was invented. We've tried prohibition and it was a less than roaring success.First.Aspect said:
Why? Has been known for 75 years that it leads to premature death and a myriad health problems in addition that incur costs for the NHS. What is wrong with public health policy that reduces those harms?Jezyboy said:First.Aspect said:
Because I think grown adults should be allowed to smoke if they want to.First.Aspect said:
I don't think it should be banned, just taxed to bugg3ry. Don't see any harm in raising the legal age to 21 or 25 or something like that, either.
I loathe smoking, but the last thing we need is more authoritarian intervention.
(I'd be in favour of heavily taxing single use plastic straws and cigarettes instead of an outright ban though)
Personally I've enjoyed a cigar every now and then, and don't mind shisha, although it's been ages since I've partaken.
They work as well as a plastic straw.0 -
I had to Google itrick_chasey said:What are T levels?
Vocational Alevel equivalents
They're scrapping things they only launch 4 years ago and no one has heard of“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
They're the only ones that can save us from the mess they've made.tailwindhome said:
I had to Google itrick_chasey said:What are T levels?
Vocational Alevel equivalents
They're scrapping things they only launch 4 years ago and no one has heard of0 -
The two things I take from this conference is that as suspected Sunak has no real vision to speak of, it was a chance to get on the front foot and start moving the polls in his direction, and all he has is cancelling stuff, railways and smoking. Totally bereft of ideas. The second thing is just how bad he is at politics, utterly hopeless at it, with the continued questions all week about something he was pretending wasn't going to happen when it was well known that it already was.
I think Truss is a perfect example of a half brained idiot but I actually see why Tory members still stick by her, because she actually has ideas that she believes in where Sunak..he's just empty.0 -
But Truss uses other peoples ideas.verylonglegs said:The two things I take from this conference is that as suspected Sunak has no real vision to speak of, it was a chance to get on the front foot and start moving the polls in his direction, and all he has is cancelling stuff, railways and smoking. Totally bereft of ideas. The second thing is just how bad he is at politics, utterly hopeless at it, with the continued questions all week about something he was pretending wasn't going to happen when it was well known that it already was.
I think Truss is a perfect example of a half brained idiot but I actually see why Tory members still stick by her, because she actually has ideas that she believes in where Sunak..he's just empty.
She's like Biff and the sports almanac.
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We have a couple of stainless steel ones and a little brush for cleaning them. 🤭TheBigBean said:
Except for the difficulty cleaning them. Best I have found are glass ones, but they break.Jezyboy said:
I have re-usable plastic straws.TheBigBean said:
Nothing works as well as a plastic straw.Jezyboy said:
The alternative to plastic straws seem to work pretty well. Some of the alternatives to cigarettes have much worse waste. Obviously the health impacts of smoking are awful. Although the wider societal impacts of alcohol seem a lot worse.rjsterry said:
Fine. Ban them outright. Or don't. But let's not pretend that will solve the problem or that treating adults like children will end well.First.Aspect said:
It's also rather costly treating heart disease, strokes and cancer.TheBigBean said:
Smoking affects other people though. Even if you ignore the passive smoke, there is a lot of litter, and people have managed to justify a ban on plastic straws, so banning smoking doesn't seem outrageous.rjsterry said:
You can drive a car, start a family, take out a mortgage, etc, etc but you're not old enough to smoke?First.Aspect said:
It's arbitrary already isn't it.rjsterry said:
The harms of excessive alcohol consumption have been known since brewing beer was invented. We've tried prohibition and it was a less than roaring success.First.Aspect said:
Why? Has been known for 75 years that it leads to premature death and a myriad health problems in addition that incur costs for the NHS. What is wrong with public health policy that reduces those harms?Jezyboy said:First.Aspect said:
Because I think grown adults should be allowed to smoke if they want to.First.Aspect said:
I don't think it should be banned, just taxed to bugg3ry. Don't see any harm in raising the legal age to 21 or 25 or something like that, either.
I loathe smoking, but the last thing we need is more authoritarian intervention.
(I'd be in favour of heavily taxing single use plastic straws and cigarettes instead of an outright ban though)
Personally I've enjoyed a cigar every now and then, and don't mind shisha, although it's been ages since I've partaken.
They work as well as a plastic straw.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Nice BTTF reference.First.Aspect said:
But Truss uses other peoples ideas.verylonglegs said:The two things I take from this conference is that as suspected Sunak has no real vision to speak of, it was a chance to get on the front foot and start moving the polls in his direction, and all he has is cancelling stuff, railways and smoking. Totally bereft of ideas. The second thing is just how bad he is at politics, utterly hopeless at it, with the continued questions all week about something he was pretending wasn't going to happen when it was well known that it already was.
I think Truss is a perfect example of a half brained idiot but I actually see why Tory members still stick by her, because she actually has ideas that she believes in where Sunak..he's just empty.
She's like Biff and the sports almanac.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Tried those, but it is hard to see if they are dirty. That's why the glass ones are good.rjsterry said:
We have a couple of stainless steel ones and a little brush for cleaning them. 🤭TheBigBean said:
Except for the difficulty cleaning them. Best I have found are glass ones, but they break.Jezyboy said:
I have re-usable plastic straws.TheBigBean said:
Nothing works as well as a plastic straw.Jezyboy said:
The alternative to plastic straws seem to work pretty well. Some of the alternatives to cigarettes have much worse waste. Obviously the health impacts of smoking are awful. Although the wider societal impacts of alcohol seem a lot worse.rjsterry said:
Fine. Ban them outright. Or don't. But let's not pretend that will solve the problem or that treating adults like children will end well.First.Aspect said:
It's also rather costly treating heart disease, strokes and cancer.TheBigBean said:
Smoking affects other people though. Even if you ignore the passive smoke, there is a lot of litter, and people have managed to justify a ban on plastic straws, so banning smoking doesn't seem outrageous.rjsterry said:
You can drive a car, start a family, take out a mortgage, etc, etc but you're not old enough to smoke?First.Aspect said:
It's arbitrary already isn't it.rjsterry said:
The harms of excessive alcohol consumption have been known since brewing beer was invented. We've tried prohibition and it was a less than roaring success.First.Aspect said:
Why? Has been known for 75 years that it leads to premature death and a myriad health problems in addition that incur costs for the NHS. What is wrong with public health policy that reduces those harms?Jezyboy said:First.Aspect said:
Because I think grown adults should be allowed to smoke if they want to.First.Aspect said:
I don't think it should be banned, just taxed to bugg3ry. Don't see any harm in raising the legal age to 21 or 25 or something like that, either.
I loathe smoking, but the last thing we need is more authoritarian intervention.
(I'd be in favour of heavily taxing single use plastic straws and cigarettes instead of an outright ban though)
Personally I've enjoyed a cigar every now and then, and don't mind shisha, although it's been ages since I've partaken.
They work as well as a plastic straw.0 -
Hence the brush. Should be fine unless you are drinking a lot of luxury milkshake.TheBigBean said:
Tried those, but it is hard to see if they are dirty. That's why the glass ones are good.rjsterry said:
We have a couple of stainless steel ones and a little brush for cleaning them. 🤭TheBigBean said:
Except for the difficulty cleaning them. Best I have found are glass ones, but they break.Jezyboy said:
I have re-usable plastic straws.TheBigBean said:
Nothing works as well as a plastic straw.Jezyboy said:
The alternative to plastic straws seem to work pretty well. Some of the alternatives to cigarettes have much worse waste. Obviously the health impacts of smoking are awful. Although the wider societal impacts of alcohol seem a lot worse.rjsterry said:
Fine. Ban them outright. Or don't. But let's not pretend that will solve the problem or that treating adults like children will end well.First.Aspect said:
It's also rather costly treating heart disease, strokes and cancer.TheBigBean said:
Smoking affects other people though. Even if you ignore the passive smoke, there is a lot of litter, and people have managed to justify a ban on plastic straws, so banning smoking doesn't seem outrageous.rjsterry said:
You can drive a car, start a family, take out a mortgage, etc, etc but you're not old enough to smoke?First.Aspect said:
It's arbitrary already isn't it.rjsterry said:
The harms of excessive alcohol consumption have been known since brewing beer was invented. We've tried prohibition and it was a less than roaring success.First.Aspect said:
Why? Has been known for 75 years that it leads to premature death and a myriad health problems in addition that incur costs for the NHS. What is wrong with public health policy that reduces those harms?Jezyboy said:First.Aspect said:
Because I think grown adults should be allowed to smoke if they want to.First.Aspect said:
I don't think it should be banned, just taxed to bugg3ry. Don't see any harm in raising the legal age to 21 or 25 or something like that, either.
I loathe smoking, but the last thing we need is more authoritarian intervention.
(I'd be in favour of heavily taxing single use plastic straws and cigarettes instead of an outright ban though)
Personally I've enjoyed a cigar every now and then, and don't mind shisha, although it's been ages since I've partaken.
They work as well as a plastic straw.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
So have the Tories now done a u turn on the war against cancel culture of a few years ago?0
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Interesting. HS2 phase 2a to Crewe already has royal assent. This is part of what Sunak claims to have cancelled, but I suspect less easy to undo primary legislation once past this point. Certainly will need more than the whim of a guy with only a year left before redundancy.
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/high-speed-rail-west-midlands-to-crewe-bill1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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I’m sure I’ll be corrected by the locals but I seem to remember that I couldn’t get directly to the airport from Piccadilly station when I went to a conference back in 2019. I know the teams run there so assume they were different lines and it was a hassle to go to an interchange so I ended up going by train. Could be misremembering and it may have just been I could get by with one ticket doing it by train.tailwindhome said:They should have a conference every week
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It really is Trumpism without Trump... one by one, people, even the ones with vaguely passable brains, sell their souls and last remains of dignity to the empire of delusions and lies they have constructed for themselves.
I genuinely thought that Hunt was better than this.
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You can get to Victoria though, which is also a fairly major station...Pross said:
I’m sure I’ll be corrected by the locals but I seem to remember that I couldn’t get directly to the airport from Piccadilly station when I went to a conference back in 2019. I know the teams run there so assume they were different lines and it was a hassle to go to an interchange so I ended up going by train. Could be misremembering and it may have just been I could get by with one ticket doing it by train.tailwindhome said:They should have a conference every week
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