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I'm pretty sure they are part of phase 1. They connect it to the current mainline north of Birmingham
Interesting, cheers! I will have to do a bit more reading up on what connects to where and see how it all fits together.0 -
In fairness there's not much they can do with the pitiful number of seats Corbyn left them.pblakeney said:
Can't disagree with this. Labour have done nothing good since the expulsion of Corbyn. They find themselves in their current position simply because the tories are so bad.rjsterry said:“What we need to do is stop being so censored and then people will see how censored the Labour party is. But we need to stop being so censored first” - one cabinet minister’s blunt assessment of the state of the Tory party.
Hard to argue with this. All Labour need to do at the moment is stand there with their hands in their pockets and smile at ministers trying to justify their warnings of "meat tax".
Mostly they seem to have been putting the Wolfy Smith types back in their boxes and normalising the party.
They've not said much other than criticising the Tories because why would you set a policy agenda in the face of such chaos? You cant make spending plans because the tax burdens proposed by successive leaders have differed by about 20%. All they would do is hang their hat on something the Tories could use against them. Far better to just wait and watch all the rats each each other.
What they have said is relative beige but not stupid. If the best the first term of a labour government is beige but stops us from self harming, then this will feel like progress.
The UK needs a renomalisation of politics, away from populism, climate change deniers and chumocracy, and back to boring, or we risk having a choice like the US electorate face, between nut jobs and ineffective.
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Stop, I can't take any more
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
Agree announcing policies in advance should be avoided as much as possible.First.Aspect said:
In fairness there's not much they can do with the pitiful number of seats Corbyn left them.pblakeney said:
Can't disagree with this. Labour have done nothing good since the expulsion of Corbyn. They find themselves in their current position simply because the tories are so bad.rjsterry said:“What we need to do is stop being so censored and then people will see how censored the Labour party is. But we need to stop being so censored first” - one cabinet minister’s blunt assessment of the state of the Tory party.
Hard to argue with this. All Labour need to do at the moment is stand there with their hands in their pockets and smile at ministers trying to justify their warnings of "meat tax".
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Attacking the blatantly obvious failures/lies of government should be #1 for opposition.
They have been too bland on this front.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It's just so amateur it's embarrassing.tailwindhome said:Stop, I can't take any more
The Northern Network document was clearly thrown together in an afternoon. And we're expected to believe this is a long term decision carefully considered.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Northern Network
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
pblakeney said:
Agree announcing policies in advance should be avoided as much as possible.First.Aspect said:
In fairness there's not much they can do with the pitiful number of seats Corbyn left them.pblakeney said:
Can't disagree with this. Labour have done nothing good since the expulsion of Corbyn. They find themselves in their current position simply because the tories are so bad.rjsterry said:“What we need to do is stop being so censored and then people will see how censored the Labour party is. But we need to stop being so censored first” - one cabinet minister’s blunt assessment of the state of the Tory party.
Hard to argue with this. All Labour need to do at the moment is stand there with their hands in their pockets and smile at ministers trying to justify their warnings of "meat tax".
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Attacking the blatantly obvious failures/lies of government should be #1 for opposition.
They have been too bland on this front.
I'd suspect they are keeping the heavier attacks for election time, just letting the Tories adding to the file of failures and attack lines and thus maintaining Labour's healthy poll lead for now. People tire of constant electioneering.
For the time being Labour seems to be trying to set a positive (if extremely bland and vague) 'vision' for the future, and giving Tories next to nothing to attack them on.0 -
That's maintenance not investment, before you even get to the Northern bit.tailwindhome said:Northern Network
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From that word cloud, I don't think they need to do any more to persuade people of the incompetence of this lot.pblakeney said:
Agree announcing policies in advance should be avoided as much as possible.First.Aspect said:
In fairness there's not much they can do with the pitiful number of seats Corbyn left them.pblakeney said:
Can't disagree with this. Labour have done nothing good since the expulsion of Corbyn. They find themselves in their current position simply because the tories are so bad.rjsterry said:“What we need to do is stop being so censored and then people will see how censored the Labour party is. But we need to stop being so censored first” - one cabinet minister’s blunt assessment of the state of the Tory party.
Hard to argue with this. All Labour need to do at the moment is stand there with their hands in their pockets and smile at ministers trying to justify their warnings of "meat tax".
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Attacking the blatantly obvious failures/lies of government should be #1 for opposition.
They have been too bland on this front.0 -
If you do manage to work it out, can you let that nice Mr Sunak know?MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:I'm pretty sure they are part of phase 1. They connect it to the current mainline north of Birmingham
Interesting, cheers! I will have to do a bit more reading up on what connects to where and see how it all fits together.0 -
The Governments elected in 2017 and 2019 (particularly 2019) are not the same Party I voted for in 2010 and 2015. We now have UKIP masquerading as the Conservatives, they forced out the Centrists after 2017. It's quite ironic that Cameron got forced into the referendum to fight off the threat of UKIP and now they have taken over the Conservative Party anyway. The fact they are ditching long standing Tory policies proves this (although they are also ditching policies that were part of the manifesto the current incarnation was elected to deliver as well).pblakeney said:Re Sunak's speech, how on earth can voting for the party that has been in charge for the past 13 years be a vote for change?
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Boo. No fun
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Fair. I just think a constant drip feed of incompetence deserves a constant drip feed of calling out. Doesn't need to be Starmer, a single attack dog would suffice.kingstongraham said:
From that word cloud, I don't think they need to do any more to persuade people of the incompetence of this lot.pblakeney said:
Agree announcing policies in advance should be avoided as much as possible.First.Aspect said:
In fairness there's not much they can do with the pitiful number of seats Corbyn left them.pblakeney said:
Can't disagree with this. Labour have done nothing good since the expulsion of Corbyn. They find themselves in their current position simply because the tories are so bad.rjsterry said:“What we need to do is stop being so censored and then people will see how censored the Labour party is. But we need to stop being so censored first” - one cabinet minister’s blunt assessment of the state of the Tory party.
Hard to argue with this. All Labour need to do at the moment is stand there with their hands in their pockets and smile at ministers trying to justify their warnings of "meat tax".
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Attacking the blatantly obvious failures/lies of government should be #1 for opposition.
They have been too bland on this front.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
He’s always been happier helping out American school children.tailwindhome said:Boo. No fun
Donates millions to Californian schools to build an entire “tech wing” with his name on it but his local constituency schools struggle for the basics.0 -
This is maybe why Labour can keep its powder dry for now.
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Wow, and that's just Sun readers.
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So it isn't just a Cake Stop bubble as some have suggested. I doubt many on here have looked at The Sun in the past decade!briantrumpet said:This is maybe why Labour can keep its powder dry for now.
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Not usually one for opinion pieces, but this one hits the nail on the head.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/05/tory-party-conference-nigel-farage-us-republicans0 -
I think that's quite unrealistic. I cannot see Labour going from an 80 seat deficit to near a 100 seat majority.briantrumpet said:This is maybe why Labour can keep its powder dry for now.
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It is Sun readers only, anything is possible in that alternate universe.rick_chasey said:
I think that's quite unrealistic. I cannot see Labour going from an 80 seat deficit to near a 100 seat majority.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Why was Farage even there? He apparently hasn't been a Tory since the late 80s when he voted Green due to them being Eurosceptic!0
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I am reading Farage as an attempt at Conservative Party 2.0 otherwise known as UKIP. I think the JRM, Truss, Patel etc faction is going for the full on hard right rebrand and they are going to try and play off of Farage's popularity with the nutjobs to bring more support over to their side.
I guess there is now going to be a massive dog fight for control of the Tory party once they are in opposition.
I think this is why Sunak was saying he would be open to Farage rejoining the party as he knows his enemies are courting him and is keeping his (Sunak) options open as to which way he veers politically in future.0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/oct/05/england-worst-place-in-developed-world-to-find-housing-says-reportEngland is now “the most difficult place to find a home in the developed world”, housebuilders have claimed in a snapshot of the housing crisis that also found a greater proportion of people in England live in substandard properties than the European Union average.
The Home Builders Federation (HBF), an industry group representing companies that build for private sale, found that England has the lowest percentage of vacant homes per capita in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), a group of 38 nations, including most of the EU the US, Japan and Australia.
What's so stupid is, 13 years in, the conservative party haven't yet worked out that being a homeowner has, historically, made you must more likely to vote for them.0 -
No, they know this, that's why they want anyone foreign to leave.rick_chasey said:England is now “the most difficult place to find a home in the developed world”, housebuilders have claimed in a snapshot of the housing crisis that also found a greater proportion of people in England live in substandard properties than the European Union average.
The Home Builders Federation (HBF), an industry group representing companies that build for private sale, found that England has the lowest percentage of vacant homes per capita in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), a group of 38 nations, including most of the EU the US, Japan and Australia.
What's so stupid is, 13 years in, the conservative party haven't yet worked out that being a homeowner has, historically, made you must more likely to vote for them.
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Labour are 41% to Conservative 32% among Telegraph readers in that.briantrumpet said:This is maybe why Labour can keep its powder dry for now.
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Not that I disagree with the quote but it's worth remembering that the HBF are an industry lobby group so you should consider their opinions in the same way as someone like the RAC commenting on issues like LTNs or ULEZs.rick_chasey said:England is now “the most difficult place to find a home in the developed world”, housebuilders have claimed in a snapshot of the housing crisis that also found a greater proportion of people in England live in substandard properties than the European Union average.
The Home Builders Federation (HBF), an industry group representing companies that build for private sale, found that England has the lowest percentage of vacant homes per capita in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), a group of 38 nations, including most of the EU the US, Japan and Australia.
What's so stupid is, 13 years in, the conservative party haven't yet worked out that being a homeowner has, historically, made you must more likely to vote for them.0 -
Yeah for sure.Pross said:
Not that I disagree with the quote but it's worth remembering that the HBF are an industry lobby group so you should consider their opinions in the same way as someone like the RAC commenting on issues like LTNs or ULEZs.rick_chasey said:England is now “the most difficult place to find a home in the developed world”, housebuilders have claimed in a snapshot of the housing crisis that also found a greater proportion of people in England live in substandard properties than the European Union average.
The Home Builders Federation (HBF), an industry group representing companies that build for private sale, found that England has the lowest percentage of vacant homes per capita in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), a group of 38 nations, including most of the EU the US, Japan and Australia.
What's so stupid is, 13 years in, the conservative party haven't yet worked out that being a homeowner has, historically, made you must more likely to vote for them.0 -
The housebuilding lobbyists accept that interest rates are higher and house prices are impacted, but there is still no confidence that the markets are stable so how can they embark on their build programmes. They are desperate to get the gov't to at least give some sort of stability.
Pulling out of HS2 does not help this.0 -
They're almost impressive in how much of a shambles they are.
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