Boris Johnson's Burkha Comments

BelgianBeerGeek

Stevo 666 wrote:

BelgianBeerGeek wrote:

Cheers Bally, useful as ever :roll: :roll:

BBG, being useful and being something you agree with are sometimes two different things

Aye, just seeing if Bally was going to play. Too canny to get involved in this shitshow, good for him/ her

dstev55

Ballysmate wrote:

But how about an everyday activity like shopping? There was a store manager posting on here wasn't there - perhaps he could tell us what happens when a burka or niqab wearer attempts to buy any age restricted products?

We would explain that unless we can see their face we are unable to sell the age restricted product to them. In all honesty I've never come across it, and I'm assuming this is because Niqab wearers will know this would be the case and don't buy age restricted products. I mean, they are not stupid are they and they wouldn't want to be put in a potentially embarrassing situation.

FishFish

This is the most sensible post on this otherwise ridiculous thread.

robert88

dstev55 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

But how about an everyday activity like shopping? There was a store manager posting on here wasn't there - perhaps he could tell us what happens when a burka or niqab wearer attempts to buy any age restricted products?

We would explain that unless we can see their face we are unable to sell the age restricted product to them. In all honesty I've never come across it, and I'm assuming this is because Niqab wearers will know this would be the case and don't buy age restricted products. I mean, they are not stupid are they and they wouldn't want to be put in a potentially embarrassing situation.

Would a Muslim buy alcohol?

And standing in airport border control queues I have seen border control officers ask women wearing head scarves and the like to remove them and reveal their faces. The women complied without demur.

Maybe checkout staff could do the same?

dstev55

Robert88 wrote:

dstev55 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

But how about an everyday activity like shopping? There was a store manager posting on here wasn't there - perhaps he could tell us what happens when a burka or niqab wearer attempts to buy any age restricted products?

We would explain that unless we can see their face we are unable to sell the age restricted product to them. In all honesty I've never come across it, and I'm assuming this is because Niqab wearers will know this would be the case and don't buy age restricted products. I mean, they are not stupid are they and they wouldn't want to be put in a potentially embarrassing situation.

Would a Muslim buy alcohol?

And standing in airport border control queues I have seen border control officers ask women wearing head scarves and the like to remove them and reveal their faces. The women complied without demur.

Maybe checkout staff could do the same?

There's a lot more age restricted products than just alcohol. Think knives, fireworks, butane gas canisters, glue, age restricted DVD's, games and magazines and even party poppers. Then you've got the more common ones like cigarettes and lottery. It's a fairly extensive list!

cooldad

I doubt many ladies wearing burqas buy dirty magazines and party poppers. And who needs fireworks when you have your own personal suicide vest.

Stevo_666

Robert88 wrote:

Would a Muslim buy alcohol?

Apparently quite a few do:
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Alcohol_and_Drugs

shortfall

Ballysmate wrote:

I don't bother coming on here very often now, but scanning through this thread< I see nothing has changed. :roll:
Didn't take long for the usual suspects to start calling people racist or Islamophobic did it?


!

I know where you're coming from. Cake Stop seems to be over represented by middle class, metropolitan, professional types with fairly left/liberal views and a strong bias in favour of Remain. There are exceptions of course but they seem to be in the minority. It does us good to hear opposing viewpoints though, and think of it this way, if you keep popping in here for a look it means that you won't have to read the Guardian ;0)

FishFish

....be careful - Shortfall by name and Shortfall by destiny...

surrey_commuter

Shortfall wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

I don't bother coming on here very often now, but scanning through this thread< I see nothing has changed. :roll:
Didn't take long for the usual suspects to start calling people racist or Islamophobic did it?


!

I know where you're coming from. Cake Stop seems to be over represented by middle class, metropolitan, professional types with fairly left/liberal views and a strong bias in favour of Remain. There are exceptions of course but they seem to be in the minority. It does us good to hear opposing viewpoints though, and think of it this way, if you keep popping in here for a look it means that you won't have to read the Guardian ;0)

You must be somewhere to the right of Ghengis Khan if you think this lot is “fairly left”

About the only leftie on here had to open multiple accounts

city_boy

https://youtu.be/Jf8uYue1vtk

shortfall

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

I don't bother coming on here very often now, but scanning through this thread< I see nothing has changed. :roll:
Didn't take long for the usual suspects to start calling people racist or Islamophobic did it?


!

I know where you're coming from. Cake Stop seems to be over represented by middle class, metropolitan, professional types with fairly left/liberal views and a strong bias in favour of Remain. There are exceptions of course but they seem to be in the minority. It does us good to hear opposing viewpoints though, and think of it this way, if you keep popping in here for a look it means that you won't have to read the Guardian ;0)

You must be somewhere to the right of Ghengis Khan if you think this lot is “fairly left”

About the only leftie on here had to open multiple accounts

Well I'm generally to the right of what most people would these days call the center ground but I'm not dogmatic or a slave to any political ideology. I'm a working class manual worker living in the North of England who voted to leave the EU and I'm guessing that my profile isn't shared by most of the regular posters in Cake Stop. As a microcosm of opinion on most subjects discussed, the views espoused are generally a long way to the left of those I hear in my workplace and the circles I move in. Happy to read them though, the standard of debate is generally very good.

rjsterry

I see Bannon has felt the need to grab some reflected 'glory' from the whole affair. Mind you, in the same interview he compared Yaxley-Lennon to Kanye West.

Stevo_666

City Boy wrote:

https://youtu.be/Jf8uYue1vtk

Rather than just abuse Boris, the best response is surely to show him how individual and liberating traditional Muslim garbs for women can be:-
https://youtu.be/LK3bwQ2sgCQ

mfin

City Boy wrote:

https://youtu.be/Jf8uYue1vtk

Fairdoos Johnathan Pie was entertaining for a few months, now he's just milking it more than it's worth, it's all predictable and boring.

surrey_commuter

Shortfall wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

I don't bother coming on here very often now, but scanning through this thread< I see nothing has changed. :roll:
Didn't take long for the usual suspects to start calling people racist or Islamophobic did it?


!

I know where you're coming from. Cake Stop seems to be over represented by middle class, metropolitan, professional types with fairly left/liberal views and a strong bias in favour of Remain. There are exceptions of course but they seem to be in the minority. It does us good to hear opposing viewpoints though, and think of it this way, if you keep popping in here for a look it means that you won't have to read the Guardian ;0)

You must be somewhere to the right of Ghengis Khan if you think this lot is “fairly left”

About the only leftie on here had to open multiple accounts

Well I'm generally to the right of what most people would these days call the center ground but I'm not dogmatic or a slave to any political ideology. I'm a working class manual worker living in the North of England who voted to leave the EU and I'm guessing that my profile isn't shared by most of the regular posters in Cake Stop. As a microcosm of opinion on most subjects discussed, the views espoused are generally a long way to the left of those I hear in my workplace and the circles I move in. Happy to read them though, the standard of debate is generally very good.

Very little centre ground left but most on here are way the right of it. They are remarkably socially liberal but interesting that different issues resonate differently.

city_boy

Stevo 666 wrote:

City Boy wrote:

https://youtu.be/Jf8uYue1vtk

Rather than just abuse Boris, the best response is surely to show him how individual and liberating traditional Muslim garbs for women can be:-
https://youtu.be/LK3bwQ2sgCQ

sungod

would the great boris have been equally lauded had he said jewish woman in sheitels look like cousin itt? or that nuns look like something out of blackadder?

of course not, he was clearly playing to his bigot fanbase, always goes down well with the daily mail and other fascists, with that following he can do no wrong

he's a proven liar, and was a serial incompetent at the foreign office, he just makes society nastier

DeVlaeminck

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

I don't bother coming on here very often now, but scanning through this thread< I see nothing has changed. :roll:
Didn't take long for the usual suspects to start calling people racist or Islamophobic did it?


!

I know where you're coming from. Cake Stop seems to be over represented by middle class, metropolitan, professional types with fairly left/liberal views and a strong bias in favour of Remain. There are exceptions of course but they seem to be in the minority. It does us good to hear opposing viewpoints though, and think of it this way, if you keep popping in here for a look it means that you won't have to read the Guardian ;0)

You must be somewhere to the right of Ghengis Khan if you think this lot is “fairly left”

About the only leftie on here had to open multiple accounts

Is this really a left - right issue ? I generally vote Labour, I've never voted Tory or whatever the Liberals are calling themselves this week, I consider myself left of centre, I don't see how criticising he extreme end of Islamic dress (because we aren't talking about 99% + of muslim women in the UK here) as representing a regressive right wing ideology is a right wing position.

surrey_commuter

DeVlaeminck wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

I don't bother coming on here very often now, but scanning through this thread< I see nothing has changed. :roll:
Didn't take long for the usual suspects to start calling people racist or Islamophobic did it?


!

I know where you're coming from. Cake Stop seems to be over represented by middle class, metropolitan, professional types with fairly left/liberal views and a strong bias in favour of Remain. There are exceptions of course but they seem to be in the minority. It does us good to hear opposing viewpoints though, and think of it this way, if you keep popping in here for a look it means that you won't have to read the Guardian ;0)

You must be somewhere to the right of Ghengis Khan if you think this lot is “fairly left”

About the only leftie on here had to open multiple accounts

Is this really a left - right issue ? I generally vote Labour, I've never voted Tory or whatever the Liberals are calling themselves this week, I consider myself left of centre, I don't see how criticising he extreme end of Islamic dress (because we aren't talking about 99% + of muslim women in the UK here) as representing a regressive right wing ideology is a right wing position.

My head hurts - did you just say that Islam is right wing?

DeVlaeminck

Surrey Commuter wrote:

My head hurts - did you just say that Islam is right wing?

Well in the sense that left right has become a loose collection of issues but that socially conservative values would normally be classed as right wing yes - I don't think that's a controversial statement at all given that I was referring to the strand of Islam that is linked to the niqab and burqa.

Why does your head hurt ?

surrey_commuter

DeVlaeminck wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

My head hurts - did you just say that Islam is right wing?

Well in the sense that left right has become a loose collection of issues but that socially conservative values would normally be classed as right wing yes - I don't think that's a controversial statement at all given that I was referring to the strand of Islam that is linked to the niqab and burqa.

Why does your head hurt ?

Had a late night and am now hanging. This means that I can’t work out if you are taking the p1ss by writing nonsense in manically long sentences...

or it is commonly believed that the hard core element of Islam is right wing

DeVlaeminck

Surrey Commuter wrote:

DeVlaeminck wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

My head hurts - did you just say that Islam is right wing?

Well in the sense that left right has become a loose collection of issues but that socially conservative values would normally be classed as right wing yes - I don't think that's a controversial statement at all given that I was referring to the strand of Islam that is linked to the niqab and burqa.

Why does your head hurt ?

Had a late night and am now hanging. This means that I can’t work out if you are taking the p1ss by writing nonsense in manically long sentences...

or it is commonly believed that the hard core element of Islam is right wing

I don't think it really matters what label we put on it does it but yes right wing would generally be seen to include socially conservative views.

I'm happy to accept that left - right isn't a simple continuum but I wouldn't accept that being against the niqab and burqa is right wing in the sense that it aligns me with any group generally described as such except on this issue.

rjsterry

There's a lot of overtly anti-Islam rhetoric coming out of parts of UKIP and groups further to the right, so in that context it's easy to see how Johnson's article has been lumped in with that. If you take the view that a lot of UKIP's voters have switched to the Conservatives, then the 'jokes' in an otherwise liberal article make sense.

Pross

Christine Hamilton trying to take the flak off Bozza by comparing the Burka with a KKK hood but not widely reported as never she or her husband are newsworthy these days.

bompington

It is, of course, OK to mock burkas if you're doing it from a left/liberal perspective...
https://order-order.com/2018/08/10/bbc- ... ked-burka/

Jez mon

bompington wrote:

It is, of course, OK to mock burkas if you're doing it from a left/liberal perspective...
https://order-order.com/2018/08/10/bbc- ... ked-burka/

I was always told two wrongs don't make a right?

There's also a difference in that Boris is meant to be a politician..

bompington

Jez mon wrote:

bompington wrote:

It is, of course, OK to mock burkas if you're doing it from a left/liberal perspective...
https://order-order.com/2018/08/10/bbc- ... ked-burka/

I was always told two wrongs don't make a right?

There's also a difference in that Boris is meant to be a politician..

But I'm not defending Johnson here so much as commenting on the staggering bias that means that Fry, Toynbee and the Guardian in general are given a free pass - even approved of - for the exact same thing that apparently proves that Johnson is a Fascist dog-whistler.

rjsterry

bompington wrote:

Jez mon wrote:

bompington wrote:

It is, of course, OK to mock burkas if you're doing it from a left/liberal perspective...
https://order-order.com/2018/08/10/bbc- ... ked-burka/

I was always told two wrongs don't make a right?

There's also a difference in that Boris is meant to be a politician..

But I'm not defending Johnson here so much as commenting on the staggering bias that means that Fry, Toynbee and the Guardian in general are given a free pass - even approved of - for the exact same thing that apparently proves that Johnson is a Fascist dog-whistler.

Whataboutery isn't your usual style. None of those listed were Foreign Secretary until a few weeks ago, or have designs on being Prime Minister (edit: or a member of a party that is trying to show that is tackling islamophobia within its membership). And If you aren't defending Johnson, why the slightly hysterical "Fascist dog-whistler" comment.

rolf_f

rjsterry wrote:

bompington wrote:

Jez mon wrote:

bompington wrote:

It is, of course, OK to mock burkas if you're doing it from a left/liberal perspective...
https://order-order.com/2018/08/10/bbc- ... ked-burka/

I was always told two wrongs don't make a right?

There's also a difference in that Boris is meant to be a politician..

But I'm not defending Johnson here so much as commenting on the staggering bias that means that Fry, Toynbee and the Guardian in general are given a free pass - even approved of - for the exact same thing that apparently proves that Johnson is a Fascist dog-whistler.

Whataboutery isn't your usual style. None of those listed were Foreign Secretary until a few weeks ago, or have designs on being Prime Minister. If you aren't defending Johnson, why the slightly hysterical "Fascist dog-whistler" comment.

Quite. Does what Stephen Fry says immediately inflame tensions and encourage extremism? Not in general, no I would say. That's because he isn't a politician - he is a comedian. Bojo should choose what career he wants. If the public had any sense, they'd choose for him; nothing good can come of him in politics.