Boris Johnson's Burkha Comments
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Coopster the 1st wrote:Vino'sGhost wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:dstev55 wrote:Rick do you think I am racist, based on what I have wrote on here?
Probably, but I have a pretty low bar, and we all qualify in one way or other.
It’s more about recognising it and checking it in ourselves.
So, my mocking aside, next time you encounter a niqab at work you may check yourself before thinking they are automatically a safety risk to your staff because of their religious attire and instead look for the clues you’d use if they were white women to assess them.
It’s not religious attire though is it also don’t be racist Rick. White women can be Muslim too sally jones the white widow was one.
Please stop being racist Rick
Rick, a racist? Who didn't know that already?
Lolol Rick hasn’t twigged yet, he’s too busy being right on.0 -
Vino'sGhost wrote:Look Rick means well, he just hasn’t thought it through.
If only that were true. In my experience, he's as disingenuous as they come (I'd imagine others share that opinion). He also likes to dish it out but can't take it. He threatened to have someone kicked off here for calling him xenophobic. In fairness, it was a false accusation but he's falsely called at least two people racist and that's just on this thread.
Regarding the Boris Johnson comments, quite funny but not really conduct becoming of an MP. Then again, Andy Burnham gets a free pass for this-https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/andy-burnham-regret-opposition-prevent-strategy/0 -
He just hasn’t the education to have really thought about it, he just repeats verbatim . It’s not unusual it’s the same with 80% of the population.
I give him a pass on this because of it.0 -
dstev55 wrote:Shirley Basso wrote:Why? Are you Asian?
No. I'm as English as they come.
But my partner is Filipino, her son a mix of 3 races and my daughter a quarter Polish.
Not the family of a racist I would have thought.
Why would you think racism is rational or logical, or even limited to white people? At its root it is a fear of strangers and fear is never rational.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry wrote:dstev55 wrote:Shirley Basso wrote:Why? Are you Asian?
No. I'm as English as they come.
But my partner is Filipino, her son a mix of 3 races and my daughter a quarter Polish.
Not the family of a racist I would have thought.
Why would you think racism is rational or logical, or even limited to white people? At its root it is a fear of strangers and fear is never rational.
What a load of bollocks. Will people please stop posting utter shite just to get a response.
To quote Google dictionary:
"Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another, which often results in discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity."0 -
dstev55 wrote:rjsterry wrote:dstev55 wrote:Shirley Basso wrote:Why? Are you Asian?
No. I'm as English as they come.
But my partner is Filipino, her son a mix of 3 races and my daughter a quarter Polish.
Not the family of a racist I would have thought.
Why would you think racism is rational or logical, or even limited to white people? At its root it is a fear of strangers and fear is never rational.
What a load of ****. Will people please stop posting utter shite just to get a response.
To quote Google dictionary:
"Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another, which often results in discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity."
Exactly. I'm suggesting that that belief arises from a fear of the other race in question. How many times do you hear someone claiming that 'they' are stealing 'our' jobs; 'they' are preying on 'our' women or children; 'they' are threatening 'our' culture or way of life?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry wrote:dstev55 wrote:rjsterry wrote:dstev55 wrote:Shirley Basso wrote:Why? Are you Asian?
No. I'm as English as they come.
But my partner is Filipino, her son a mix of 3 races and my daughter a quarter Polish.
Not the family of a racist I would have thought.
Why would you think racism is rational or logical, or even limited to white people? At its root it is a fear of strangers and fear is never rational.
What a load of ****. Will people please stop posting utter shite just to get a response.
To quote Google dictionary:
"Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another, which often results in discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity."
Exactly. I'm suggesting that that belief arises from a fear of the other race in question. How many times do you hear someone claiming that 'they' are stealing 'our' jobs; 'they' are preying on 'our' women or children; 'they' are threatening 'our' culture or way of life?
But where does this come from based on what I said and how the bloody hell does what I said mean I think it is only limited to white people? You need to stop making assumptions, I think we've already seen on this thread that it gets you nowhere.
Sorry to sound so harsh but I'm fed up of people thinking they know more about me than I do over a bloody internet forum...0 -
dstev55 wrote:rjsterry wrote:dstev55 wrote:rjsterry wrote:dstev55 wrote:Shirley Basso wrote:Why? Are you Asian?
No. I'm as English as they come.
But my partner is Filipino, her son a mix of 3 races and my daughter a quarter Polish.
Not the family of a racist I would have thought.
Why would you think racism is rational or logical, or even limited to white people? At its root it is a fear of strangers and fear is never rational.
What a load of ****. Will people please stop posting utter shite just to get a response.
To quote Google dictionary:
"Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another, which often results in discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity."
Exactly. I'm suggesting that that belief arises from a fear of the other race in question. How many times do you hear someone claiming that 'they' are stealing 'our' jobs; 'they' are preying on 'our' women or children; 'they' are threatening 'our' culture or way of life?
But where does this come from based on what I said and how the bloody hell does what I said mean I think it is only limited to white people? You need to stop making assumptions, I think we've already seen on this thread that it gets you nowhere.
Sorry to sound so harsh but I'm fed up of people thinking they know more about me than I do over a bloody internet forum...
No need to apologise. I'm only responding to what you wrote, which did seem to suggest that's what you thought. If it's not, that's great. Without all the posts getting a lot longer, a certain amount of assumption is inevitable.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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drlodge wrote:Robert88 wrote:
Islam is not a barbaric religion.
Oh really? Plenty in the Quran that is truly barbaric and is lived by those who believe in it. Just look at ISIS - what they do is a plausible interpretation of the Quran.
Take a look in the holy texts to see how minorities should be treated - women, adulterers, gays, apostates. Thrown off buildings, stoned to death or otherwise killed. That is barbaric.
It's no more barabaric than Christianity, the established religion of the UK. Our own society is also intolerant of minorities and if you can give chapter and verse for your assertions I might take some notice but otherwise not.
I can imagine that Zakāt, one of the 5 pillars, must give lots of people the heeby-jeebies:Zakat is not charity, It is not voluntary charity not a tax but an obligation. By giving Zakat, a Muslim is acknowledging that everything we have is Allah’s and we do not really own it, and we should use it to remember Allah and help those who are in need. It is also an act to help free us from excessive desire and greed, learn self-discipline and honesty.
Unfortunately I see Boris Johnson is using the same tactics as any power politician and in this case his target is women.0 -
rjsterry wrote:dstev55 wrote:rjsterry wrote:dstev55 wrote:rjsterry wrote:dstev55 wrote:Shirley Basso wrote:Why? Are you Asian?
No. I'm as English as they come.
But my partner is Filipino, her son a mix of 3 races and my daughter a quarter Polish.
Not the family of a racist I would have thought.
Why would you think racism is rational or logical, or even limited to white people? At its root it is a fear of strangers and fear is never rational.
What a load of ****. Will people please stop posting utter shite just to get a response.
To quote Google dictionary:
"Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another, which often results in discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity."
Exactly. I'm suggesting that that belief arises from a fear of the other race in question. How many times do you hear someone claiming that 'they' are stealing 'our' jobs; 'they' are preying on 'our' women or children; 'they' are threatening 'our' culture or way of life?
But where does this come from based on what I said and how the bloody hell does what I said mean I think it is only limited to white people? You need to stop making assumptions, I think we've already seen on this thread that it gets you nowhere.
Sorry to sound so harsh but I'm fed up of people thinking they know more about me than I do over a bloody internet forum...
No need to apologise. I'm only responding to what you wrote, which did seem to suggest that's what you thought. If it's not, that's great. Without all the posts getting a lot longer, a certain amount of assumption is inevitable.
Ok no worries, I definitely do not have a fear of anyone because of their race. My workforce consists of people from many different backgrounds, in fact I was working in a store a few years back where we had a count and there were 10+ nationalities in a workforce of around 20! It was actually the most enjoyable store I worked in and I found it fascinating to learn about different cultures and traditions, but ultimately regardless of cultural differences we all worked together so well to make the store a success. It was also where I met my partner, so very happy memories for me.
But please do not confuse this with religion. I do not agree with the morals or codes of Islam, but this does not mean I have any hatred towards the people who practice it (well those that practice it peacefully).0 -
Look past BJ’s comments and instead look to his targeted audience which is more disturbing.
He’s targeting grass roots Tory support, which in itself tells you what the core Tory party are.
While BJ is crass and clumsy with words I’d suggest he’s being used by someone more politically intelligent as a lightening rod to get the right wing agenda in the public mind and then step in when the political capital of BJ is spent.
This is an another outcome from an unelectable opposition party as there is no political pressure for the Tory’s to align and become an effective government. If you don’t buy this how come Labour aren’t 15points ahead in the polls?
Historically the Tories killed their own at the first sign of political weakness which has it’s benefits. Pity it’s only metaphorical.“Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to cycle and he will realize fishing is stupid and boring”
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Love that Rees Mogg is trying to paint it as some kind of Brexit related power struggle between May and Johnson. Not that he would like to see a change of leader you understand, oh dear me no.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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People are completely overthinking how much of this is political posturing, how much of it is a thought out strategy. It's not. There's so little to read into it, but many people under the guise of some sort of analysis are reading lots into it that appears thought out but isn't.
Just because political swings in direction in history are littered with thousands of small examples of their character in action does not mean in any present time that can work in reverse. So, in this example, one crumb of something BJ says couldn't possibly be extrapolated upon to guess at let alone conclude or expose a political strategy. It's amazing that people will try to do this though!
At very most his comments could be a litmus test to see if the topic is worth talking about more, to find if he can use the debate to raise his popularity, but it would be nothing more than a toe in the water test for that. It likely wasn't even that though, it was probably just some throwaway comments.0 -
rjsterry wrote:Love that Rees Mogg is trying to paint it as some kind of Brexit related power struggle between May and Johnson. Not that he would like to see a change of leader you understand, oh dear me no.
Boris and his right wing agenda on back foot
Mis direction by an even bigger cunt than Boris
Let’s hope they all fuck off to France like Cameron
A lovely target rich environment for an ISIS true believer“Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to cycle and he will realize fishing is stupid and boring”
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mfin wrote:At very most his comments could be a litmus test to see if the topic is worth talking about more, to find if he can use the debate to raise his popularity, but it would be nothing more than a toe in the water test for that. It likely wasn't even that though, it was probably just some throwaway comments.
His comments have reportedly gone down well with Tory grassroots. Precisely the people he needs on side if he were to run for leader. I'm quite sure he's no Machiavelli but equally he's not a complete idiot and will capitalise on any advantage that emerges from his somewhat chaotic approach to life.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Amusing letter found on twitter:No woman in a burqa (or a hijab or a burkini) has ever done me any harm. But I was sacked (without explanation) by a man in a suit. Men in suits missold me pensions and endowments, costing me thousands of pounds. A man in a suit led us on a disastrous and illegal war. Men in suits led the banks and crashed the world economy. Other men in suits then increased the misery to millions through austerity. If we are to start telling people what to wear, maybe we should ban suits.
Henry Stewart
London
As I say, it is all about power politics.0 -
rjsterry wrote:mfin wrote:At very most his comments could be a litmus test to see if the topic is worth talking about more, to find if he can use the debate to raise his popularity, but it would be nothing more than a toe in the water test for that. It likely wasn't even that though, it was probably just some throwaway comments.
His comments have reportedly gone down well with Tory grassroots.
Complete speculation.
Like I said, some people read far too much into anything when it comes to anything relating to politics.0 -
mfin wrote:rjsterry wrote:mfin wrote:At very most his comments could be a litmus test to see if the topic is worth talking about more, to find if he can use the debate to raise his popularity, but it would be nothing more than a toe in the water test for that. It likely wasn't even that though, it was probably just some throwaway comments.
His comments have reportedly gone down well with Tory grassroots.
Complete speculation.
Like I said, some people read far too much into anything when it comes to anything relating to politics.
No, based on interviews. Not a full survey for sure but indicative. To what degree that was intentional, who knows, but I'm sure he'll be pleased by the attention.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Based on this survey, 68% think he should not apologise:
http://www.itv.com/news/london/update/2018-08-08/snap-survey-should-boris-johnson-apologise-for-burkha-comments/
Interesting."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
No need to apologise to please the labour terrorist appologists. or the professionaly offended.
Nice pic of corbyn honouring terrorists in the paper today.0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:Based on this survey, 68% think he should not apologise:
http://www.itv.com/news/london/update/2018-08-08/snap-survey-should-boris-johnson-apologise-for-burkha-comments/
Interesting.
That's not a survey though is it, it's just a website poll, it's no more conclusive than if we put the same 'survey' on here.
I'm not arguing how his comments have been received at all (the comments might not have proved unpopular), just that it can't be measured very well and some people aren't even bothering with bad measurements either, they are just going gut feel from reading the odd article or interview.0 -
Call it what you like, the split is 68/32 - currently. I just thought it was interesting - you can make what you want of it.mfin wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:Based on this survey, 68% think he should not apologise:
http://www.itv.com/news/london/update/2018-08-08/snap-survey-should-boris-johnson-apologise-for-burkha-comments/
Interesting.
That's not a survey though is it, it's just a website poll, it's no more conclusive than if we put the same 'survey' on here.
I'm not arguing how his comments have been received at all (the comments might not have proved unpopular), just that it can't be measured very well and some people aren't even bothering with bad measurements either, they are just going gut feel from reading the odd article or interview."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
True.Vino'sGhost wrote:No need to apologise to please the labour terrorist appologists. or the professionaly offended.
Nice pic of corbyn honouring terrorists in the paper today.
Also good material for the Labour party thread, thanks for the tip."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:Based on this survey, 68% think he should not apologise:
http://www.itv.com/news/london/update/2018-08-08/snap-survey-should-boris-johnson-apologise-for-burkha-comments/
Interesting.
That's how populism works. It doesn't make him right or we'd still be burning witches.0 -
What about his party chairman and party leader?Vino'sGhost wrote:No need to apologise to please the labour terrorist appologists. or the professionaly offended.
Nice pic of corbyn honouring terrorists in the paper today.
There was a very funny caller on Any Answers who said the calls for an apology were the liberal elite trying to shut down debate. Surely Johnson is the epitome of the liberal elite?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I don't bother coming on here very often now, but scanning through this thread< I see nothing has changed. :roll:
Didn't take long for the usual suspects to start calling people racist or Islamophobic did it?
BJ explicitly said that he didn't want to ban any clothing, and I tend to agree with him on that. But if anyone chooses to wear any form of face covering they must accept that it will impact on their everyday lives. The security aspect is a given, surely.
But how about an everyday activity like shopping? There was a store manager posting on here wasn't there - perhaps he could tell us what happens when a burka or niqab wearer attempts to buy any age restricted products?
Islamophobic to criticise these items of clothing? Morocco has banned the manufacture, sale or importation of the burka and has even closed the factories that made the material for them. Niger and Chad have banned the wearing of a veil in public buildings. Turkey bans the wearing of the niqab by its military and judiciary. All well recognised Islamophobic states.
There are probably Muslim women who choose to cover their face, but there are millions who are forced to wear such garments against their will.
Interesting article here. The author states how the religious police enforced women to cover their heads.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... /#comments.
In it, the author refers to 'pseudo intellectual liberals' and I think we could probably identify some on here matching that description.
PS I never realised that hijab means barrier or partition. Quite ironic that those on here defending wearing of a barrier are usually those most critical of people not being open to other cultures.
Oh well. Adieu!0 -
Ballysmate wrote:I don't bother coming on here very often now, but scanning through this thread< I see nothing has changed. :roll:
Didn't take long for the usual suspects to start calling people racist or Islamophobic did it?
BJ explicitly said that he didn't want to ban any clothing, and I tend to agree with him on that. But if anyone chooses to wear any form of face covering they must accept that it will impact on their everyday lives. The security aspect is a given, surely.
But how about an everyday activity like shopping? There was a store manager posting on here wasn't there - perhaps he could tell us what happens when a burka or niqab wearer attempts to buy any age restricted products?
Islamophobic to criticise these items of clothing? Morocco has banned the manufacture, sale or importation of the burka and has even closed the factories that made the material for them. Niger and Chad have banned the wearing of a veil in public buildings. Turkey bans the wearing of the niqab by its military and judiciary. All well recognised Islamophobic states.
There are probably Muslim women who choose to cover their face, but there are millions who are forced to wear such garments against their will.
Interesting article here. The author states how the religious police enforced women to cover their heads.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... /#comments.
In it, the author refers to 'pseudo intellectual liberals' and I think we could probably identify some on here matching that description.
PS I never realised that hijab means barrier or partition. Quite ironic that those on here defending wearing of a barrier are usually those most critical of people not being open to other cultures.
Oh well. Adieu![/quote
Cheers Bally, useful as ever :roll: :roll:Ecrasez l’infame0 -
BBG, being useful and being something you agree with are sometimes two different thingsBelgianBeerGeek wrote:Cheers Bally, useful as ever :roll: :roll: "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
