TDF 2018, Stage 19: Lourdes > Laruns 27/07/2018 - 200,5 km *Spoilers*

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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    TBF if a moto is what determines the final podium, that will be a bit pants. Froome closed a sizeable gap on that descent without moto assistance and with Zakarin acting as an obstacle to be avoided at all costs.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    'ben boos.
    _
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    roglic lite the race up.. special get out of jail card on the moto.

    sky was amazingly strong..they were really hit hard after 3 weeks of racing at the front and soaked it up.
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  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    Look, I'd buy the criticism if Roglic had just sat in and not done any work all day until the end and was then towed to the line by a moto.

    But he put in a bunch of punchy attacks. Led over the top. Held his lead the whole way down and pushed hard to the line. If he did get a tow off the front, nothing to stop Dumoulin or Froome just holding his wheel...
  • RonB
    RonB Posts: 3,984
    From @BORAhansgroheFR 7mins ago

    Sagan would be in a grupetto of 47 people who will start the descent of the Col de Aubisque. Even if his group comes out of time. The tour organization will never take out the last sprinters.
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    edited July 2018
    dish_dash wrote:
    Look, I'd buy the criticism if Roglic had just sat in and not done any work all day until the end and was then towed to the line by a moto.

    But he put in a bunch of punchy attacks. Led over the top. Held his lead the whole way down and pushed hard to the line. If he did get a tow off the front, nothing to stop Dumoulin or Froome just holding his wheel...

    No-one's criticising Roglic, it's a damn good ride and good win, and he'd be mad not to take advantage. But if the moto is pulling Roglic away then that's affecting the time gaps, and might mean the difference between 2nd, 3rd or 4th in this instance. And that's not right.

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  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    RonB wrote:
    From @BORAhansgroheFR 7mins ago

    Sagan would be in a grupetto of 47 people who will start the descent of the Col de Aubisque. Even if his group comes out of time. The tour organization will never take out the last sprinters.

    Protected by numbers... shame. Though I'm assuming that my man is also in the grupetto.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    mididoctors wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    THE MOTO DECIDED THE WIN AND NO-ONE CARES, BUT WE HAVE 60 PAGES ON A F*CKING ASMTHA INHALER.

    You lot are rubbish.

    :)

    If they could have held his wheel on the descent, they'd all have got the tow. He just rode away from them (and got a tow on his own).
  • richard_t._biscuit
    richard_t._biscuit Posts: 246
    Sagan in with grupetto within time cut.
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    THE MOTO DECIDED THE WIN AND NO-ONE CARES, BUT WE HAVE 60 PAGES ON A F*CKING ASMTHA INHALER.

    You lot are rubbish.

    :)

    If they could have held his wheel on the descent, they'd all have got the tow. He just rode away from them (and got a tow on his own).
    100% this.
  • RonB
    RonB Posts: 3,984
    Gruppetto well within the time cut at around 38', though Phinney looks to be in a state and may have crashed on the descent.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,719
    Wow, I did nt realise Froome has been leap frogged!

    Even more shook by Rick's Moto accusations now!! ;)
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  • tonyf34
    tonyf34 Posts: 194
    edited July 2018
    DeadCalm wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    THE MOTO DECIDED THE WIN AND NO-ONE CARES, BUT WE HAVE 60 PAGES ON A F*CKING ASMTHA INHALER.

    You lot are rubbish.

    :)

    If they could have held his wheel on the descent, they'd all have got the tow. He just rode away from them (and got a tow on his own).
    100% this.
    No it isn't, you get a far bigger tow from a motorcycle than you do a person tucked on a bike, do you not understand basic aerodynamics? :roll:
    If TD is sprinting hard on a false flat and he stil can't make up on a rider just tucked/coasting it's pretty damn obvious how much of a difference it's making.
    For safety and fairness motos need to be pulled out on descents and use other methods for footage
  • cygnet
    cygnet Posts: 92
    Phinney was off the back a long way before the Aubisque - maybe on the Tourmalet or even Aspin.
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  • shipley
    shipley Posts: 549
    Great stage, great result and pleased Sagan made it.

    I do hope Thomas wins the TT tomorrow and that, with the justified podium as it stands today will be a fabulous result.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,719
    G Hincapie wrote:
    How does Chris's TT compare to Dumolin and Roglic? Can he get himself back on the podium?

    Can't see him taking any serious time on Tommy (to be honest the best I think he can do is not loose too much time...)

    Roglic however is there for the taking IMO. That could be a 2 minutes worth watching tomorrow...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    tonyf34 wrote:
    DeadCalm wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    THE MOTO DECIDED THE WIN AND NO-ONE CARES, BUT WE HAVE 60 PAGES ON A F*CKING ASMTHA INHALER.

    You lot are rubbish.

    :)

    If they could have held his wheel on the descent, they'd all have got the tow. He just rode away from them (and got a tow on his own).
    100% this.
    No it isn't, you get a far bigger tow from a motorcycle than you do a person tucked on a bike, do you not understand basic aerodynamics? :roll:
    If TD is sprinting hard on a false flat and he stil can't make up on a rider just tucked/coasting it's pretty damn obvious how much of a difference it's making.
    For safety and fairness motos need to be pulled out on descents and use other methods for footage
    He let the gap grow in the first place. It's like the guy on the club run whinging when everyone else gets into the slipstream of that passing truck that you could hear coming for ages.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    DeadCalm wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    THE MOTO DECIDED THE WIN AND NO-ONE CARES, BUT WE HAVE 60 PAGES ON A F*CKING ASMTHA INHALER.

    You lot are rubbish.

    :)

    If they could have held his wheel on the descent, they'd all have got the tow. He just rode away from them (and got a tow on his own).
    100% this.

    Clearly neither of you have tried to follow someone following a moped #scr4life
    _
  • ridgerider
    ridgerider Posts: 2,852
    So whose seen the tow?
    Half man, Half bike
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    Money to be made in a Dutch poker school?

    I know it happens every year. But...

    1. Gesink's monster turn.
    2. Tommy Dumoulin dragging Geraint back to Roglic every time he attacked on a climb.

    made it easy for Sky.
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    DeadCalm wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    THE MOTO DECIDED THE WIN AND NO-ONE CARES, BUT WE HAVE 60 PAGES ON A F*CKING ASMTHA INHALER.

    You lot are rubbish.

    :)

    If they could have held his wheel on the descent, they'd all have got the tow. He just rode away from them (and got a tow on his own).
    100% this.

    Clearly neither of you have tried to follow someone following a moped #scr4life
    Happens regularly on the faster rides out here. Obviously, gets harder the further down the line you go but second and third wheel should be able to hang on.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    DeadCalm wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    DeadCalm wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    THE MOTO DECIDED THE WIN AND NO-ONE CARES, BUT WE HAVE 60 PAGES ON A F*CKING ASMTHA INHALER.

    You lot are rubbish.

    :)

    If they could have held his wheel on the descent, they'd all have got the tow. He just rode away from them (and got a tow on his own).
    100% this.

    Clearly neither of you have tried to follow someone following a moped #scr4life
    Happens regularly on the faster rides out here. Obviously, gets harder the further down the line you go but second and third wheel should be able to hang on.

    You’re riding at 60-80kph?

    You lot need to get better at physics.
    _
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    Ridgerider wrote:
    So whose seen the tow?
    The race director cut back too late, so we only have Martin and Dumoulin's word for it at the moment. But the footage will be there.
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    DeadCalm wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    DeadCalm wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    THE MOTO DECIDED THE WIN AND NO-ONE CARES, BUT WE HAVE 60 PAGES ON A F*CKING ASMTHA INHALER.

    You lot are rubbish.

    :)

    If they could have held his wheel on the descent, they'd all have got the tow. He just rode away from them (and got a tow on his own).
    100% this.

    Clearly neither of you have tried to follow someone following a moped #scr4life
    Happens regularly on the faster rides out here. Obviously, gets harder the further down the line you go but second and third wheel should be able to hang on.
    And this is with the first rider right on the back wheel of the moped. Roglic was not that close to the moped which should have made it even easier for Dumoulin.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    DeadCalm wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    THE MOTO DECIDED THE WIN AND NO-ONE CARES, BUT WE HAVE 60 PAGES ON A F*CKING ASMTHA INHALER.

    You lot are rubbish.

    :)

    If they could have held his wheel on the descent, they'd all have got the tow. He just rode away from them (and got a tow on his own).
    100% this.

    Clearly neither of you have tried to follow someone following a moped #scr4life

    When Dumoulin says he is sprinting all out and Roglic is drawing a gap in tuck without pedalling on a pretty shallow gradient, I'd tend to think Dumoulin has a point - unless you think he's lying (and Martin).
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    DeadCalm wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    DeadCalm wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    THE MOTO DECIDED THE WIN AND NO-ONE CARES, BUT WE HAVE 60 PAGES ON A F*CKING ASMTHA INHALER.

    You lot are rubbish.

    :)

    If they could have held his wheel on the descent, they'd all have got the tow. He just rode away from them (and got a tow on his own).
    100% this.

    Clearly neither of you have tried to follow someone following a moped #scr4life
    Happens regularly on the faster rides out here. Obviously, gets harder the further down the line you go but second and third wheel should be able to hang on.

    You’re riding at 60-80kph?

    You lot need to get better at physics.
    We're riding on the flat. The mopeds are usually doing 50ish kph.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    Dumoulin's quote:

    "Roglic was the strongest today, and a lot of respect for his victory. But he was flying downhill, and eventually I got dropped on a straight part just because he was on his tube and full in the slipstream of the motorbike," he said.

    "I was sprinting to his wheel and I couldn't get any closer. I just got dropped on the only straight part of the downhill. It's ridiculous really."

    Asked if he will protest, Dumoulin said:

    "It makes no sense anyway...."

    Are you happy with what happened at the end?

    "No, of course not. I'm f*cking pissed."
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Aye.

    So when Roglic is doing the superman tuck behind the moped is he doing that because he can still pedal?

    Presumably not because there going faster then 50kph!

    Superman tuck Roglic vs motobike with big cameraman on the back?

    If you don’t think that’s a huge advtanage for Roglic you’re a lost cause.
    _
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,719
    Phinney crosses the line heavily bandaged with a suspected broken nose...which is has potential to be fair more devastating for his career than a pesky broken leg...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • mamil314
    mamil314 Posts: 1,103
    Whatever. Dumoulin will straighten Roglic out tomorrow.

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