Frame bag rubbing legs?
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He takes his lunch with him, or hunts for it on the expedition.mrfpb wrote:i'm pretty sure that I drink 3 litres of fluids over the course of 13 hours most days, mainly as tea. it's not a lot and certainly not enough to cause any illnesses. I have also had days pootling round the local lanes and hills as a "tourist" rather than racing round a favourite course, where I've covered 30 -40 miles with lots of stops. and on a hot day I'd consume more than 3 l in water and electrolytes, plus treaa and coffee at stops. (I did that a lot when getting used to cycling again after a bad few months suffering from labrynthitis)
What I (and presumably most of the people here) don't understand is Chimera's aversion to paying for water or buying other drinks when he would have to stop for a meal or two anyway. If it's a nice day out to visit some attraction or other, then water (or tea or coffee or beer) would be available at any planned pit stop. to cycle 30 miles without passing near any filling point would need planning to avoid them.0 -
I drunk about litre once and passed out.
I was ill the next day too.
That's the danger of overdoing the free champagne.
The older I get, the better I was.0 -
To the OP if he/she hasn't completed the flounce.
Go look at the TCR TransContinental Race info, lots of it about, there's a facebook group etc.
Those people do multiple hundreds of km per day, day after day, in conditions much hotter than Kent. Ask them how they hydrate. But careful in your approach like, as they do Big distances, know whadahmean...0 -
Fenix wrote:Come the London Marathon and hot weather every half wit is telling you to make sure you're drinking enough.
As you've said - hyponatremia is far more dangerous than being dehydrated.
I think the study that said you underperform if you sweat out 2% of your fluids was done by Lucozade - so they may not be completely unbiased.
Certainly there's no way I'd be taking on the water that the OP wants to take on- not on a bike ride, or marathon or anything else. Even in this years hot London Marathon I'd be surprised if I took on more than 500ml of water.
I think its perfectly correct to point out how dangerous this all is.
500 ml for a whole marathon? Of course you did..............
And the water I want to take on? It's three litres, not three gallons. Jesus Christ have you people never actually done any physical activity in hot weather? Because it sounds to me that you don't have a clue. It also sounds to me like you've never cycled more than 5 minutes from you house, or the nearest large town, since you seem to think there are shops selling gallons of water and mythical water fountains (which only exist inside your heads) on every corner, even in remote countryside. And you think that anyone who drinks more than a mug full of water for 24 hours is going to die. Listen to yourselves.
If you had had to go 3 or 4 hours with no food and nothing to drink in baking hot weather because you had run out and the few shops that you came across were all shut, like I did you wouldn't be talking such complete and utter cobblers.
You also seem to have developed some kind of telepathy, since you have decided on your own what I need to drink in a day even though you have never met me, know f all about me, and you also seem to know...or think you know......all about the rides I'm doing, even though I have told you nothing.0 -
darkhairedlord wrote:Skip all the "dehydration" nonsense, drink when you get there or stop at the pub.
it's Kent, not the plains of the Serengeti FFS.
If you're riding 30 miles in a day it's not a tour or an expedition, it's a ride to the shops or a commute.
It's not a tour? Is that so? Then I guess the 4 or 6 books of "Cycle Tours" that I have on my books shelf must be a figment of my imagination. How is it a "ride to the shops" or a "commute"? Am I going to work? NO!? Am I shopping? NO! What are you coming on here talking such cobblers?
And drink when I get where??? And I want water not beer. And how the f do you know the pubs will even be open? Outside of the bubble you seem to inhabit lots of pubs in the countryside are not open all day.0 -
This forum is a complete waste of time. All I wanted was some help with a simple query, but I've got about 5% helpful answers (thanks to those that did try to help me), and 95% BS. You people need to take a long hard look at yourselves.0
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I did a half Ironman the other week. 56 mile bike. I think I had two swigs of my water bottle. Then a few mouthfuls of drink on the half marathon.
But of course you'll dismiss this as lies as you do with anything that doesn't fit in with your experiences.
There's lots of people on here who do proper distances - triple figure mileages and they don't have the water issues you do.0 -
You are not a happy person, are you Chimera thing?0
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cougie wrote:I did a half Ironman the other week. 56 mile bike. I think I had two swigs of my water bottle. Then a few mouthfuls of drink on the half marathon.
But of course you'll dismiss this as lies as you do with anything that doesn't fit in with your experiences.
There's lots of people on here who do proper distances - triple figure mileages and they don't have the water issues you do.
I bit like I've been told by people on here that I don't know my own body, and that I don't know how much water I need to take to ensure I don't run out, and that I'm "wrong", even though I've been doing it for ~20 years then. People who know f all about me.0 -
orraloon wrote:You are not a happy person, are you Chimera thing?
Why would I be happy? I came here for advice, and I got a torrent of abuse and a load of ignorant comments from people who seem to think they know everything about everyone and everywhere.0 -
Your thirst is way out of the normal range. Have you seen a doctor about it ? I don't know of anyone who needs as much water as you do.
How much would you drink on a normal non cycling day ?0 -
Chimera2018 wrote:People who know f all about me.
All we know about you is what's in this thread. It might surprise you to learn that you're not coming across particularly well...0 -
cougie wrote:Your thirst is way out of the normal range. Have you seen a doctor about it ? I don't know of anyone who needs as much water as you do.
How much would you drink on a normal non cycling day ?
Er no it's not. What exactly are your medical qualifications?
I don't keep a record of how much I drink.0 -
Imposter wrote:Chimera2018 wrote:People who know f all about me.
All we know about you is what's in this thread. It might surprise you to learn that you're not coming across particularly well...
I've not come across particularly well? That's rich.0 -
It really is you know. Nobody on here has said your drinking is normal.
It might be for you - but not the rest of us
You've only been doing this for 20 years - I've almost double your experience. We had a club rider who wouldn't take water out on a ride at all. And he was a decent athlete.
I've never known anyone to get through the volume you're talking of.0 -
cougie wrote:It really is you know. Nobody on here has said your drinking is normal.
It might be for you - but not the rest of us
You've only been doing this for 20 years - I've almost double your experience. We had a club rider who wouldn't take water out on a ride at all. And he was a decent athlete.
I've never known anyone to get through the volume you're talking of.
You have double my experience? So bloody what. WTF does that have to do with me and my body? NOTHING.
I'm still waiting to hear what your medical qualifications are?0 -
In fairness he is,I believe, talking about 3 liters in a whole day out. I rode on Saturday and took (2) 750ml full bidons with me and I refilled them at Corfe with 500ml of water in one and 500ml of orange juice in the other. We then stopped in Swanage for coffee and the cafe kindly filled both bottles with water, which I had drunk by the time I got home. So total of four liters plus coffee :shock:
Not a massive ride, 130km with 1300m climbing, but hot.
YMMV0 -
Your thirst is a classic sign of diabetes. A family member started drinking lots of water and I made her get a check-up. Sure enough - she had developed diabetes. It's worth a check up.0
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diplodicus wrote:In fairness he is,I believe, talking about 3 liters in a whole day out.
ExactlyI rode on Saturday and took (2) 750ml full bidons with me and I refilled them at Corfe with 500ml of water in one and 500ml of orange juice in the other. We then stopped in Swanage for coffee and the cafe kindly filled both bottles with water, which I had drunk by the time I got home. So total of four liters plus coffee :shock:
Not a massive ride, 130km with 1300m climbing, but hot.
YMMV
Which is 2.5 litres of fluid, so the f are people here doing my head in for wanting to take a 3 litre water bladder, and acting like no one else would ever do such a thing???0 -
cougie wrote:Your thirst is a classic sign of diabetes. A family member started drinking lots of water and I made her get a check-up. Sure enough - she had developed diabetes. It's worth a check up.
No it's sign of someone who sweats a lot because it's hot.0 -
The NHS suggest 1.2 liters of water a day, presumably every day regardless of what you are doing. I don't normally drink more than that although I don't record.
From this I don't think 4 liters on a hot day when I am trying to keep up with faster riders, hence working hard, is excessive.
As per previous post YMMV0 -
Chimera2018 wrote:cougie wrote:Your thirst is a classic sign of diabetes. A family member started drinking lots of water and I made her get a check-up. Sure enough - she had developed diabetes. It's worth a check up.
No it's sign of someone who sweats a lot because it's hot.
This.
It would possibly be a sign of diabetes if I drank like that all the time, but I don't. Cool winter ride at say 100km easy pace, I sometimes get home with nearly full bottles that have been hardly touched.0 -
Chimera you're not doing long fast rides. You said you needed the water for a 30 to 40 mile ride.
I sweat like a pig when exercising. I don't need anything like as much as you.0 -
"NHS Choices’ page on Water and drinks says:
Your body needs water or other fluids to work properly and to avoid dehydration. That’s why it's important to drink enough fluids. In climates such as the UK's, we should drink about 1.2 litres (six to eight glasses) of fluid every day to stop us getting dehydrated. In hotter climates, the body needs more than this. We also get some fluid from the food we eat."
My bold. This seems to suggest it's good to drink more when it is hot. Add in exercise and I don't feel 3 liters is excessive0 -
30 miles would be two hours of cycling.
Three at an absolute push.
Inkneo it's warm at the moment but this is Britain. It's not normally as hot as this and probably won't be next week.0 -
cougie wrote:Chimera you're not doing long fast rides. You said you needed the water for a 30 to 40 mile ride.
I sweat like a pig when exercising. I don't need anything like as much as you.
Am I talking to myself? Am I speaking French? What I said was that I need the water for A WHOLE DAY. From leaving home in the morning, several hours on trains, a ride, several hours on more trains, and getting home in the evening. I said all of this, and it was even mentioned by someone else, but apparently you're not listening.0 -
cougie wrote:30 miles would be two hours of cycling.
Three at an absolute push.
Inkneo it's warm at the moment but this is Britain. It's not normally as hot as this and probably won't be next week.
Two hours? You don't seem understand the point of what I'm doing. I'm doing day cycle tours not the friggin Tour de France.
And it does get very warm in the UK on quite a few occasions.0 -
You're still only doing a few hours of cycling...0
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cougie wrote:You're still only doing a few hours of cycling...
This may come as a surprise to you, but I am going to want to drink something when I'm off the bike you know. Especially during the >three hours of travelling each way I am looking at for one ride.0 -
According to you, people should only take the bare minimum they can get away with. I don't want to take the bare minimum, I want to take enough so that I can more or less guarantee I don't end up running out. I've said this multiple times now. I think I must be speaking some foreign language.0
