Frame bag rubbing legs?
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diplodicus wrote:Would it not be possible to stiffen the sides of the frame bag somehow. Maybe sew some strips or rods of stiff plastic/carbon/aluminium into the sides
I did try putting some stiff card on both sides, but I don't think it did much good. In fact I think it made it fatter, because there is nothing to stop the bulging bladder from pushing the sides apart.
I think I'll try taking the bike out with the 2 litre bladder, and then if that is ok, find some way of carrying an extra bottle.0 -
Well after 5 pages the Troll is still insisting everyone else is wrong and he’s right.
He can travel 13 hours and never find water but won’t leave a bottle on his bike because he thinks it will get nicked.By who?He needs “tons” of water due to “strenuous” excercise and simply can’t carry enough for 30 miles and ends up “parched”
There are so many contradictions in his posts and he changes direction quicker than a Rabbit being chased by a Hawk.
I’m beginning to think maybe he’s not a a Troll but merely a half-wit who actually believes the crap he posts.0 -
Any frame bag you choose to use had some kind of loops to attach it to your bike. Any two such loops could be used with a simple webbing strap through the to allow you to carry it when off your bike. Straps such as these for example.
https://www.alpkit.com/products/dual-straps-grey
Here is the source bladder I mentioned that had a central baffle to make it a lower profile (not a thick, bulging bladder). It might help with your bulging frame bag.
https://sourceoutdoor.com/en/source-reservoirs/130-wxp-low-profile-hydration-system0 -
Tangled Metal wrote:Any frame bag you choose to use had some kind of loops to attach it to your bike. Any two such loops could be used with a simple webbing strap through the to allow you to carry it when off your bike. Straps such as these for example.
https://www.alpkit.com/products/dual-straps-grey
Here is the source bladder I mentioned that had a central baffle to make it a lower profile (not a thick, bulging bladder). It might help with your bulging frame bag.
https://sourceoutdoor.com/en/source-reservoirs/130-wxp-low-profile-hydration-system
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If it helps then it's good. There's a solution to everything if you look for it.0
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OP - would you consider a Camelbak rucksack?0
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Difficulty finding clean water, people stealing it.
Is this a cycle ride or a remake of the "Book of Eli"?
The older I get, the better I was.0 -
This has made for an entertaining holiday read while lazing in the sun. Best check my hydration.
And Bungle's back as well. Thought you had flounced off. How's that Merlin fraud situation going?0 -
Just a warning, I have found water in a hydration rucksack to get pretty warm and rank from heat from your back, might not be the perfect solution you are looking for.0
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Just a warning, I have found water in a hydration rucksack to get pretty warm and rank from heat from your back, might not be the perfect solution you are looking for.0
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A couple of things come to mind.
Are you starting out your ride dehydrated ? Perhaps focusing on ensuring you are properly hydrated would be a good thing. Having dug irrigation trenches in the desert in the past, the rule of thumb was you should pass urine hourly and it should be clear in colour.
If you really are struggling to find water then maybe consider carrying a pair of water divining rods ? They'd fit neatly into your frame bag.0 -
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Wow you've actually read all 2600+posts of mine to make that judgementChimera2018 wrote:
Do you think you are being clever? You're not being clever, you're a c o c k. Why they let someone like you continue to inhabit this forum I have absolutely no idea. Tell me, have you actually ever in your life ever posted anything on here of any worth? Because, as far as I can tell, all you ever do is seek to provoke agro and post complete CRAP.
I'm surprised you've had time between searching for that rare commodity called water in the vast wastelands of the SE :roll:
Anyway it's 28degrees out and I'm off to take the dog for a walk.I'll be about an hour so I'll just fill my 3ltr bladder up...better take a couple of bottles too.If I drink all that and the shops are closed there's always the Stream in the woods...unless that's dried up in the heat
If you don't here from me again I'll probably have died of dehydration
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this is a typical scene in the south of England as its sooo dry:
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It also makes my back sweaty and horrible.HaydenM wrote:Just a warning, I have found water in a hydration rucksack to get pretty warm and rank from heat from your back, might not be the perfect solution you are looking for.
But if you're getting off the bike a lot to go and look at things which are a distance from the bike, then I can see how a bag might work for that.0 -
Camelbacks are a horrible thing on a road bike ride :
1. You can never really tell how much water you have in them.
2. Your water heats up as does your back.
3. The weight on your spine is REALLY uncomfortable in a road position.
4. They're just not needed in the South East....0 -
It's good to have a sense of humour but irrespective of how likely you think the scenario to be the op has asked a question. Assuming you don't believe or agree with him, what's wrong with humouring him with an answer along the lines of what he's asking for?
This repeated pi$$take isn't doing any good. If you think he's a troll type of poster give him a good answer that might suit his view on this and see what happens. If he's not a troll type then a good answer might end the need for this thread. Good for all surely?
PS I've no idea if he's trolling or whatever. I've answered with what I think will help his situation. I don't think you're that far from potable water in the UK. Whether you'd want to use some water sources is a personal matter. I won't use cemeteries or public toilets. I do use pubs, cafes and similar. I have had days when I've needed more water than I could get (walking in the hills with no clean water source and no purifier to clean water).
In a couple of situations I've begun the washing out process when I did get to a water supply. My personal record is 10 litres in 12 hours or less on at least two occasions. I do not recommend doing that, you'll not end up feeling that well. Pure water isn't the best rehydration option. I prefer milk post hot day riding or walking. Pure orange / water mix (50:50 mix plus a smidgeon of salt) works well as an isotonic drink on the cheap ime.
I read about a runner who did a distance event on a hot day. He drank through the event but knowing that it's good to rehydrate as soon after exercise he consumed a lot of water on his train journey home. He took ill and passed out. Ambulance ride to A&E and despite treatment he died. I can't remember the source of that story or know it's accuracy but I did see a guy I used to know take a turn for the worse.
He hadn't been drinking nearly enough and had lectures from everyone including a nurse. Eventually close to the end of the 27 mile walk he started to drink, a lot of water and in a short time. Half the group took him to the B&B they'd been staying in and put him to bed. The B&B owners spotted him and stepped in with isotonic drinks, and rehydration drinks. They were experienced fell runners and spotted the serious health situation. Needless to say the guy recovered but the next day he had the b worst hangover of us all despite not touching a drop of alcohol all weekend. Now that's saying something because I was one of many who woke up with a serious hangover.
It's not the volume of water drunk but what you drink and when. Hydration is a little too easy to mess up on for my liking. As I said I've done it wrong despite being experienced challenge walker.0 -
Fenix wrote:Camelbacks are a horrible thing on a road bike ride :
1. You can never really tell how much water you have in them.
2. Your water heats up as does your back.
3. The weight on your spine is REALLY uncomfortable in a road position.
4. They're just not needed in the South East....
See, I've never actually tried them on the road bike because people say that, used to use them a lot on the mtb although now I just put a bottle in my bag as bladders always go mouldy (I'm too lazy to clean them when I get back from riding). The GF tried to carry a small rucksack on the NC500 and hated it so much it went in the bin0 -
Come the London Marathon and hot weather every half wit is telling you to make sure you're drinking enough.
As you've said - hyponatremia is far more dangerous than being dehydrated.
I think the study that said you underperform if you sweat out 2% of your fluids was done by Lucozade - so they may not be completely unbiased.
Certainly there's no way I'd be taking on the water that the OP wants to take on- not on a bike ride, or marathon or anything else. Even in this years hot London Marathon I'd be surprised if I took on more than 500ml of water.
I think its perfectly correct to point out how dangerous this all is.0 -
Tangled Metal wrote:
I read about a runner who did a distance event on a hot day. He drank through the event but knowing that it's good to rehydrate as soon after exercise he consumed a lot of water on his train journey home. He took ill and passed out. Ambulance ride to A&E and despite treatment he died.
People have died, peopleI'm sorry you don't believe in miracles0 -
HaydenM wrote:Fenix wrote:Camelbacks are a horrible thing on a road bike ride :
1. You can never really tell how much water you have in them.
2. Your water heats up as does your back.
3. The weight on your spine is REALLY uncomfortable in a road position.
4. They're just not needed in the South East....
See, I've never actually tried them on the road bike because people say that, used to use them a lot on the mtb although now I just put a bottle in my bag as bladders always go mouldy (I'm too lazy to clean them when I get back from riding). The GF tried to carry a small rucksack on the NC500 and hated it so much it went in the bin
I tried it just the once on my road bike on a hot solo ride. Its absolutely fine when I MTB but it's a different position and a different duration off road. Camelbacks are great off road as you can drink and ride bumpy terrain - but it doesn't work on road.
There is the bottle mounted between the tribars with a straw to drink out off. That's a PITA too. Splashy, and when you hit a bump in the road you'll choke on the straw....0 -
For day touring I've used -
Two x 750ml bottles, refilled at pubs/cafes - eg all Café Nero's have water jugs, and are happy to let customers refill bottles for free. They have an app to let you find the nearest,
5 Litre Rack pack for carrying supplies, come with a shoulder strap and will expand if OP wants to put water bottles from the bike into it. If you get a big enough rack pack, the handlebar bag becomes redundant. Or you can get a lockable handlebar bag mount for any brand that uses Rixen Kaul mounts
I have replaced this with a Carradice saddlebag (Pendle) with quick release support rack. The bag has two side pockets, each big enough to hold a water bottle if I wanted to take them with me when leaving the bike (though I never do), the shoulder strap is an optional extra.
Carradice are pricey, but good value for a long term tourer/audaxer. Ebay is your friend, as there are good quality second had ones to be found.
And there are good packable rucksacks, like the one from Rapha that will fit in a jersey or trouser pocket (or in bike bags) that will carry a few bottles and other stuff if you don't want to leave it on the bike.0 -
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Skip all the "dehydration" nonsense, drink when you get there or stop at the pub.
it's Kent, not the plains of the Serengeti FFS.
If you're riding 30 miles in a day it's not a tour or an expedition, it's a ride to the shops or a commute.0 -
i'm pretty sure that I drink 3 litres of fluids over the course of 13 hours most days, mainly as tea. it's not a lot and certainly not enough to cause any illnesses. I have also had days pootling round the local lanes and hills as a "tourist" rather than racing round a favourite course, where I've covered 30 -40 miles with lots of stops. and on a hot day I'd consume more than 3 l in water and electrolytes, plus treaa and coffee at stops. (I did that a lot when getting used to cycling again after a bad few months suffering from labrynthitis)
What I (and presumably most of the people here) don't understand is Chimera's aversion to paying for water or buying other drinks when he would have to stop for a meal or two anyway. If it's a nice day out to visit some attraction or other, then water (or tea or coffee or beer) would be available at any planned pit stop. to cycle 30 miles without passing near any filling point would need planning to avoid them.0 -
I'm not talking about dehydration but hyponatremia. That's a risk that's not widely considered.0
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In Chimera's world - there are no shops open for his water. But he's visiting attractions that are presumably open? They MUST have access to water....0
