Giro 2018, Stage 19: Turin - Monte Jafferau - 184 kilometres. *Spoilers*

tailwindhome

Froome's recon of finestre


https://www.instagram.com/p/BVUWdg1ABCh/


Apparently the fact that he used the hashtag #giroditalia proves he didn't recon it 'by mistake', that Sky are lying again AND that Sky had been given advance notice of the Giro course.

ddraver

Sky just cant bloomin win can they?

Kerrison was really very clear why they rode it. Pretty much for the same reason cyclists ride any Col. Theyre in the area and have some spare time...

shirley_basso

ddraver wrote:

Sky just cant bloomin win can they?

Kerrison was really very clear why they rode it. Pretty much for the same reason cyclists ride any Col. Theyre in the area and have some spare time...

Not true. Not only can they win, but they did.

m.r.m.

inseine wrote:

I makes me wonder if the meticulous planning of this stage was a one off or have Sky done it before and it just didn't pay off so we never hear about it. Conversely is it something we'll now do more of. I appreciate that Froome was in an unusual position.

Doubt it. Usually they tend to be in complete control (with Froome) or crash out (everyone else) to not necessitate such audacious tactics. Then again Froome's famous descending victory in the Tour is a poor man's version of this maybe.

RichN95.

M.R.M. wrote:

inseine wrote:

I makes me wonder if the meticulous planning of this stage was a one off or have Sky done it before and it just didn't pay off so we never hear about it. Conversely is it something we'll now do more of. I appreciate that Froome was in an unusual position.

Doubt it. Usually they tend to be in complete control (with Froome) or crash out (everyone else) to not necessitate such audacious tactics. Then again Froome's famous descending victory in the Tour is a poor man's version of this maybe.

Agreed. It needed a stage that could present and opportunity. The previous times that he's not been winning GTs the stages have not had something like the Finistere in the middle (and better defensive riders in the lead) and he's vainly tried to break them on the final climbs.

Lanterne_Rogue

M.R.M. wrote:

inseine wrote:

I makes me wonder if the meticulous planning of this stage was a one off or have Sky done it before and it just didn't pay off so we never hear about it. Conversely is it something we'll now do more of. I appreciate that Froome was in an unusual position.

Doubt it. Usually they tend to be in complete control (with Froome) or crash out (everyone else) to not necessitate such audacious tactics. Then again Froome's famous descending victory in the Tour is a poor man's version of this maybe.

The circumstances for something like this happen so rarely. It's a remarkably Sky thing to somehow make it sound like a simple deal of getting the whole team out on the road with bottles and gels rather than the heist it was.

rick_chasey

underlayunderlay wrote:

M.R.M. wrote:

inseine wrote:

I makes me wonder if the meticulous planning of this stage was a one off or have Sky done it before and it just didn't pay off so we never hear about it. Conversely is it something we'll now do more of. I appreciate that Froome was in an unusual position.

Doubt it. Usually they tend to be in complete control (with Froome) or crash out (everyone else) to not necessitate such audacious tactics. Then again Froome's famous descending victory in the Tour is a poor man's version of this maybe.

The circumstances for something like this happen so rarely. It's a remarkably Sky thing to somehow make it sound incredibly boring rather than the heist it was.

FTFY

above_the_cows

TailWindHome wrote:

Froome's recon of finestre


https://www.instagram.com/p/BVUWdg1ABCh/


Apparently the fact that he used the hashtag #giroditalia proves he didn't recon it 'by mistake', that Sky are lying again AND that Sky had been given advance notice of the Giro course.

Aside from people adding hashtags for things for sh1ts and giggles do people also not know that you can edit instagram posts?

inseine

Rick Chasey wrote:

underlayunderlay wrote:

M.R.M. wrote:

inseine wrote:

I makes me wonder if the meticulous planning of this stage was a one off or have Sky done it before and it just didn't pay off so we never hear about it. Conversely is it something we'll now do more of. I appreciate that Froome was in an unusual position.

Doubt it. Usually they tend to be in complete control (with Froome) or crash out (everyone else) to not necessitate such audacious tactics. Then again Froome's famous descending victory in the Tour is a poor man's version of this maybe.

The circumstances for something like this happen so rarely. It's a remarkably Sky thing to somehow make it sound incredibly boring rather than the heist it was.

FTFY

Putting all the baggage aside, i found Brailsford's retelling of the day (the long podcast version) very exciting. The whole team hammering the 27 hairpins, King Kenny saying he wanted to be on a GT winning team, then riding flat out and hearing Froome say 'squeeze'. Great stuff

rick_chasey

inseine wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

underlayunderlay wrote:

The circumstances for something like this happen so rarely. It's a remarkably Sky thing to somehow make it sound incredibly boring rather than the heist it was.

FTFY

Putting all the baggage aside, i found Brailsford's retelling of the day (the long podcast version) very exciting. The whole team hammering the 27 hairpins, King Kenny saying he wanted to be on a GT winning team, then riding flat out and hearing Froome say 'squeeze'. Great stuff

For real?

I was joking with my wife about how dull they made that exciting stage sound.

He's like cycling bromide.

larkim

Above The Cows wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Froome's recon of finestre


https://www.instagram.com/p/BVUWdg1ABCh/


Apparently the fact that he used the hashtag #giroditalia proves he didn't recon it 'by mistake', that Sky are lying again AND that Sky had been given advance notice of the Giro course.

Aside from people adding hashtags for things for sh1ts and giggles do people also not know that you can edit instagram posts?

And the fact that in his audio on the instagram clip he says something about the climb having been featured in the giro in the past etc.

inseine

Rick Chasey wrote:

inseine wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

underlayunderlay wrote:

The circumstances for something like this happen so rarely. It's a remarkably Sky thing to somehow make it sound incredibly boring rather than the heist it was.

FTFY

Putting all the baggage aside, i found Brailsford's retelling of the day (the long podcast version) very exciting. The whole team hammering the 27 hairpins, King Kenny saying he wanted to be on a GT winning team, then riding flat out and hearing Froome say 'squeeze'. Great stuff

For real?

I was joking with my wife about how dull they made that exciting stage sound.

He's like cycling bromide.

'fraid so. Did you here the full BBC podcast? I enjoyed it, you didn't.

rick_chasey

I didn't actually; I got a condensed version from him on the cycling podcast.

Breaking down the ride as he did really felt like turning a seriously hot romantic piece of love making (swiss tony style) into a GCSE biology lesson style breakdown. "He puts his..." etc

Is the BBC podcast worth listening to?

My usual take on anything BBC is that it's watered down w@nk to appeal to a common denominator which I am not a part of, so I tend to steer clear.

inseine

Rick Chasey wrote:

I didn't actually; I got a condensed version from him on the cycling podcast.

Breaking down the ride as he did really felt like turning a seriously hot romantic piece of love making (swiss tony style) into a GCSE biology lesson style breakdown. "He puts his..." etc

Is the BBC podcast worth listening to?

My usual take on anything BBC is that it's watered down w@nk to appeal to a common denominator which I am not a part of, so I tend to steer clear.

I'm sure you're way too hipster for the Bespoke podcast, but i enjoyed that particular one, though I appreciate I'm in the minority (which pleases me no end). I think it's worth the longer listen, I agree the condensed version was a bit anodyne.

ddraver

It's a really interesting insight into modern cycling, Sky, Froome and even Sir Brailsford. It even gives clues as to how they can screw up so easily in the ways they have.


Rick, you'd hate every second of it!

Lanterne_Rogue

I'll be honest, I quite enjoyed listening to it too. Written down though it does seem incredibly bureaucratic. I hope they filed their flimsies.

rick_chasey

It’s the way the world is going, but the actuarialisation of everything can, at times, make my metaphorical balls ache.

inseine

Rick Chasey wrote:

It’s the way the world is going, but the actuarialisation of everything can, at times, make my metaphorical balls ache.

I din't know what that means, or even if it's a real word.

bompington

inseine wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

It’s the way the world is going, but the actuarialisation of everything can, at times, make my metaphorical balls ache.

I din't know what that means, or even if it's a real word.

There's a 90% probability that it's a real word

No_Ta_Doctor

Rick Chasey wrote:

It’s the way the world is going, but the actuarialisation of everything can, at times, make my metaphorical balls ache.

The thing is, is doesn't actually come across like that, whether it's a real word or not. It was more like a batshit crazy idea that needed incredible coordination. Like some sort of meticulously planned practical joke that needed loads of people to be in on it to make it work. "You distract the metalwork teacher while John nicks the screwdriver. I'll hold Mr Englishteacher up by parking my bike in his parking spot. Paul sends a basket on a rope down from the 3rd floor for the screwdriver and the water bottles Claire got from the gym hall....etc"

bobmcstuff

Listened to the longer Bespoke podcast this morning on the way to work, I enjoyed it. It wasn't overly actuarial (although I do like a good bit of analysis, to be fair). Like inseine says, it is less dry with all the extras, I think the excerpts everyone has heard focus on the numbers and the plan.

salsiccia1

Forensic details released by Sky for this stage:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/44694122

kleinstroker

Salsiccia1 wrote:

Forensic details released by Sky for this stage:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/44694122

Really shows how much effort Sky put into races. Awesome levels of detail

mididoctors

the idea the biggest "off the bike" control is diet manipulation sounds rather self evident.

I mean the biggest impact on the body has to be what you eat and drink.

topper_harley

Salsiccia1 wrote:

Forensic details released by Sky for this stage:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/44694122

amazing we are getting see all of this

above_the_cows

Jeremy Whittle, an expert... Lol.

mamil314

I am very surprised to see that all teams have not been calculating fuelling to this level. It only makes sense.

Also, 32 resting HR, smh

above_the_cows

But seriously how can you get 400g of rice, 3 egg (whites), 1 egg yolk and 4 pancakes down your cake hole in the morning?

I'd be sick.

onyourright

Shock and awe tactics by Sky going into the Tour. “This is what you’re up against.”

mamil314

I don't think you would, not with that metabolism, look up what they burn up on a race day.