Giro 2018, Stage 19: Turin - Monte Jafferau - 184 kilometres. *Spoilers*

blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 13,814
edited November 2018 in Pro race
The first half of hard to split, Queen stage claimants

Giro 2018, Stage 19: Turin - Monte Jafferau - 184 kilometres.

Friday, 25 May 2018 - The 19th stage of the Giro d'Italia amounts to 184 kilometres. The race through the Alps takes in climbs up the Colle delle Finestre and Colle Sestriere to finish atop of Monte Jafferau. The route climbs 3,500 vertical metres.The Jafferau is an explosive final chapter at the end of a demanding route. The 7.2 kilometres climb is averaging 9%, which is a biased statistic as the first 500 metres go up at merely 4.6%. But then the double digit gradients kick in. Following a middle section at around 8% the last 3 kilometres rise with an average gradient of almost 10%, while the final 500 metres are a whooping 11.6%.

So that’s a dream for a niche in the peloton, called climbers, and a nightmare for the rest of the riders. Especially since the route basically starts to climb when the flag is dropped in Venaria Reale, a place just north of Turin. The Colle del Lys is a sheer endless rolling slope with its crest after almost 50 kilometres. Some 13 kilometres before the top the toughest section is 7.1% for 5 kilometres. Yet, compared to what the stage has in store it is really nothing.
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Following the descent a false flat runs to the base of this Giro’s giant: Colle delle Finestre. It is a steady ascent – steady in the sense that the gradients are hovering between 9 and 10% from bottom to summit. The 18.9 kilometres toil is features 45 hairpins and the second half runs on unpaved roads. The rider who is first over the top wins Cima Coppi, as this year’s Giro won’t get any higher than the 2,178 metres peak of the Finestre. Still 73.3 kilometres to go at the top.
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The technical descent on narrow roads leads to Pragelato, where the climb to high altitude ski station Sestriere begins. Which is yet another long ascent, but to be frank, this time it’s only the distance that installs fear. Amounting to 16.2 kilometres, the first 7 kilometres are basically a prolonged false flat, while the rest of the climb is averaging some 5%.
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In 2015, the stage ended in Sestriere, but now it’s just a passage with almost 50 kilometres remaining. A long descent drops down to Oulx and a 13 kilometres section leads through the valley to Bardonecchia. This is the base of the steep Jafferau, where Eddy Merckx climbed to victory in the 1972 Giro, thus cementing his overall lead which ultimately led him to winning the pink jersey that year.

The last time the Giro d’Italia included the Monte Jafferau was in 2013. With snow falling and temperatures close to zero at the 1,908 metres high finish, the weather was a disaster that day. Mauro Santambrogio climbed to victory in the same time as maglia rosa Vincenzo Nibali.
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Profile:-
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Map:-
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Finish:-
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3D Profiles:-
Colle delle Finestre:-
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Jaffrau:-
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Froome's Finestre reckon video. Some nice shots.

http://lebuzz.eurosport.co.uk/viral/chr ... ter-29210/

VENARIA REALE

At the confluence of the rivers Ceronda and Stura di Lanzo at an altitude of 264 m, the city of Venaria Reale, in the province of Turin, is the only Italian town, along with Ceresole Reale, which is entitled to bear the ‘Royal’ title in its denomination and is known for its palace, one of the Savoy Estates included in the UNESCO World Heritage site list since 1997.

MAIN SIGHTS
Reggia di Venaria Reale (Royal Residence, including Salone di Diana, Galleria Grande, Scuderie Juvarriane, Potager Royal, Palazzo Madama; 17th century, UNESCO World Heritage), La Mandria Nature Park and Castle (18th century), Piazza dell’Annunziata.

HOSTOPY
Population: 34,000
Foundation: Roman age
Ancient name: Altessano

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Reason enough to visit?
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BARDONECCHIA

Bardonecchia, in the province of Turin, is at an altitude of 1,312 m, in a large basin where four valleys converge: the valleys of Rochemolles, Frejus, Rho and Melezet with the Valle Stretta. The basin of Bardonecchia opens up in the middle of a wide amphitheatre of fairly high peaks (many over 3,000 m high, maximum altitude: 3,505), and their respective homonimous streams flow from the four valleys.
MAIN SIGHTS
Parrocchiale di Sant’Ippolito, Civic Museum, the mediaeval frescoes of Notre Dame du Coignet (Les Arnaud) and San Sisto (Pian del Colle), Museo d’Arte Sacra (Museum of Sacred Art) in Melezet, Chiesa di San Pietro (Rochemolles).

HISTORY
Population: 3,300
Foundation: Roman age
Historic names: Bardonecia (Piedmontese), Bardonescha (Occitan), Bardonnèche (French)

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  • Mad_MalxMad_Malx Posts: 3,913
    The unpaved stuff climbing isn't going to help Yates, is it?
  • milton50milton50 Posts: 3,892
    For me this is the queen stage. Beautiful.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 22,768
    Anyone getting dropped on Sestriere is going to have major problems in that valley before the final climb. Given that he's had trouble following accelerations it would serve Froome well to make his own move there.

    Anyone wanting to damage Yates needs to reduce his team on the Finistere
    Reason enough to visit?
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    A Nutella Choc Ice?
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  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 13,814
    RichN95 wrote:
    Anyone getting dropped on Sestriere is going to have major problems in that valley before the final climb. Given that he's had trouble following accelerations it would serve Froome well to make his own move there.

    Anyone wanting to damage Yates needs to reduce his team on the Finistere
    Reason enough to visit?
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    A Nutella Choc Ice?

    Mucho famous innit?

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  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 13,814
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    The unpaved stuff climbing isn't going to help Yates, is it?

    Should not be a problem.

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    Rujano would fit into Yate's back pocket.

    They put 2 minutes into their "big guy" on Finestre, as this image shows.

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    :lol:
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  • adr82adr82 Posts: 4,002
    These threads keep making me hungry
  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck Posts: 5,383
    I hope I'm wrong but this doesn't look like the kind of stage you'd want to follow a bad day ! Does someone try and get away early in the stage in a do or die attack or do they leave it to the last climb ? The initial climb should suit climbing domestiques trying to get up the road so the possibilities are there for someone to launch a long one and there should be the likes of Aru going early for the stage win as he's got naff all chance of winning if he leaves it late.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 45,154 Lives Here
    That stage with Rujano was wonderful. Absolutely bonkers. Even had some outrageous cheques being written to teams not remotely in the hunt.

    Was all there.
  • davidofdavidof Posts: 1,997
    They've been clearing snow on the Colle delle Finestre the last days

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    and the road was closed today due to the avalanche risk !

    A heads up for the small town of Susa at the base of the col and at the start of the climb to the Col de Mont Cenis. I was there earlier in the week and the whole town was out putting up decorations. The town has roman remains
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  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 13,814
    Those photos of Susa would come in handy for tomorrow's thread, cos there is definitely a heads up coming then.
    I've crossed the Col du Mont Cenis on numerous occasions.
    Many fond memories of Susa.
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  • mfinmfin Posts: 6,648
    Good thread start this one, thanks
  • Epic looking stage, can’t wait!
  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 13,814
    More outrageous pictures from the Finestre.

    https://imgur.com/a/QmSkziO#Zcv1T9f

    Previous editions never had it so good!

    Also, there has been a late change in the course. It's the A 32 bit.

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  • No_Ta_DoctorNo_Ta_Doctor Posts: 9,430
    Oh God, I think I'm coming down with something that's going to keep me off work...
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  • above_the_cowsabove_the_cows Posts: 10,862
    edited May 2018
    This stage is super exciting!

    My hilly cycling neck of the woods this. I fully intend to tackle the Finestre from the north side this summer. Only done it from the south side.

    For some non-cycling (and cow and horse) related stuff relating to Bardonecchia and the nearby Col de L'Échelle see this on its place in the refugee route between Italy and France (a major research interest of mine as some of you know).

    "Dodging Death Along the Alpine Migrant Passage"

    https://www.newsdeeply.com/refugees/articles/2018/01/25/dodging-death-along-the-alpine-migrant-passage

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  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 22,768
    Oh God, I think I'm coming down with something that's going to keep me off work...
    I have the joy of having three months off on full salary before going to my new job
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  • above_the_cowsabove_the_cows Posts: 10,862
    I see they are coming down the SP215 from Sestriere, not the SP23R, not that it matters, just thought I'd mention it.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • above_the_cowsabove_the_cows Posts: 10,862
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    Dude in green needs a bike fit.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 22,768
    They could get to the top of Finistere with only about a dozen riders in the GC group (perhaps less) with 65km to go
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  • RichN95 wrote:
    They could get to the top of Finistere with only about a dozen riders in the GC group (perhaps less) with 65km to go
    ...and still have another 2 climbs to go :shock: :mrgreen:
  • takethehighroadtakethehighroad Posts: 5,404
    The Finestre stage in 2005 is when I truly, madly, deeply fell in love with cycling.

    I'd watched the majority of that Giro and that stage was just incredible.

    This is one of those mad Giro stages where anything could happen, but my guess is that it will all come down to the Jafferau, as no one will be brave enough to take it up on the Finestre and Sestriere is too easy that early in the race
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  • milton50milton50 Posts: 3,892
    RichN95 wrote:
    They could get to the top of Finistere with only about a dozen riders in the GC group (perhaps less) with 65km to go

    Yep, and I think that's why Sky, Astana, Bahrain, and MS (I don't think Sunweb are strong enough) will have decent helpers in the early breakaway.

    If Yates really is feeling previous efforts in his legs then it's quite possible he gets gapped on the Finestre.
  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 13,814
    Whatever happens, it will be interesting to observe the forum dynamic.
    Already I see subtle changes since yesterday.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 45,154 Lives Here
    Prey tell Blazing
  • davidofdavidof Posts: 1,997
    Anyone got the timings for when the race starts the Finestre ? I was thinking around 14h00 but couldn't find the timings on the Giro website.
  • ProssPross Posts: 21,554
    The Finestre must have the most consistent gradient I've ever seen on an Alpine climb. I'm hoping I get to my hotel in the IoW in time to watch otherwise my data allowance may get a hammering!
  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 13,814
    davidof wrote:
    Anyone got the timings for when the race starts the Finestre ? I was thinking around 14h00 but couldn't find the timings on the Giro website.

    Allowing for the probability of them being ahead of schedule, your guess, if you meant CET, is a good one.
    Anyhow, race schedule here.

    http://www.steephill.tv/2018/giro-d-ita ... ble-19.pdf
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  • ocdupalaisocdupalais Posts: 3,632
    Pross wrote:
    The Finestre must have the most consistent gradient I've ever seen on an Alpine climb. I'm hoping I get to my hotel in the IoW in time to watch otherwise my data allowance may get a hammering!
    Is this a euphemism for being in prison?
  • davidofdavidof Posts: 1,997
    davidof wrote:
    Anyone got the timings for when the race starts the Finestre ? I was thinking around 14h00 but couldn't find the timings on the Giro website.

    Allowing for the probability of them being ahead of schedule, your guess, if you meant CET, is a good one.
    Anyhow, race schedule here.

    http://www.steephill.tv/2018/giro-d-ita ... ble-19.pdf

    Thanks Blazing :-)
  • inseineinseine Posts: 5,607
    edited May 2018
    They actually mentioned the Giro on radio 4 this morning. Said they'd been following the exploits of SEAN Yates
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