Froome KA BOOOM

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  • redvision
    redvision Posts: 2,958
    Fair play to him.

    Although I think it's a travesty for the Giro as he really shouldn't be there.

    But he is, so fair play to him today.

    Absolutely gutted for Yates. Losing the pink like this could destroy him.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    redvision wrote:
    Fair play to him.

    Although I think it's a travesty for the Giro as he really shouldn't be there.

    Why should he not be there? For breaking a rule? But the rules say he can still compete.

    So which is it - Are you into rules or not?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,029
    iainf72 wrote:
    redvision wrote:
    Fair play to him.

    Although I think it's a travesty for the Giro as he really shouldn't be there.

    Why should he not be there? For breaking a rule? But the rules say he can still compete.

    So which is it - Are you into rules or not?

    The rules said Contador could ride in 2011. Then the rules said he shouldn't have been there. Schrödinger's rules. You're currently just measuring one side.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    TheBigBean wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    redvision wrote:
    Fair play to him.

    Although I think it's a travesty for the Giro as he really shouldn't be there.

    Why should he not be there? For breaking a rule? But the rules say he can still compete.

    So which is it - Are you into rules or not?

    The rules said Contador could ride in 2011. Then the rules said he shouldn't have been there. Schrödinger's rules. You're currently just measuring one side.
    Yeah, but he was originally cleared and the appeal said he shouldn't have been. With Froome there is no decision to be reversed.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    RichN95 wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    redvision wrote:
    Fair play to him.

    Although I think it's a travesty for the Giro as he really shouldn't be there.

    Why should he not be there? For breaking a rule? But the rules say he can still compete.

    So which is it - Are you into rules or not?

    The rules said Contador could ride in 2011. Then the rules said he shouldn't have been there. Schrödinger's rules. You're currently just measuring one side.
    Yeah, but he was originally cleared and the appeal said he shouldn't have been. With Froome there is no decision to be reversed.

    And let's not forget, the rules say that we shouldn't know there's a case until that decision.
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • tonyf34
    tonyf34 Posts: 194
    larkim wrote:
    If Froome doesn’t win, TD will be a most undeserving victor.
    Not at all, quite the contrary, didn't fold completely and is still in there with a shout, if he wins then he most certainly deserves to be declared the winner by virtue of overall best performance over 3 weeks, that's how it works.
    It's a bit like saying Holland should have deserved to win the world cup in soccer because they played the most wonderful game and W.Germany and Argentina didn't deserve to win, however Holland lost because they conceded more than their opposition in the final, what happened leading up to that final and how they got their was immaterial at that point.
    You don't win trophies for style marks alone not even ice dance.
  • shipley
    shipley Posts: 549
    redvision wrote:

    Although I think it's a travesty for the Giro as he really shouldn't be there.

    I agree, ‘Rider under suspicion of doping having returned a 200% sample (potentially) wins Giro’

    It’s appalling for the race and does our sport no good whatsoever.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,499
    Froome, BOOM!
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • k1875
    k1875 Posts: 485
    Has anyone checked on Bradley, y'know, just to make sure he's OK?
  • argyllflyer
    argyllflyer Posts: 893
    Shipley wrote:
    redvision wrote:

    Although I think it's a travesty for the Giro as he really shouldn't be there.

    I agree, ‘Rider under suspicion of doping having returned a 200% sample (potentially) wins Giro’

    It’s appalling for the race and does our sport no good whatsoever.

    "Under suspicion of doping"... comfirmation bias / hope?

    It wasn't a positive test (in so much as it didn't come with an instaban upon B sample being positive), should never have been made public at this stage and you certainly cannot compare alleging someone took an extra puff of ventolin (despite knowing he's 200% certain to be tested post stage as he was leader) with people in the past blood doping through self-administered transfusions, taking EPO, doing HgH, steroids and testosterone.

    For the record, what's been your consistent view on CF since his breakthrough in 2011?

    For me, once due process has been followed, and those with greater awareness of the facts have decided upon the outcome of this case, I will accept the verdict and move along. Pre-judging it isn't massively helpful.
  • Bo Duke
    Bo Duke Posts: 1,058
    KA BOOM, KA BOOM, KA BOOM..... the sound of Froome walking up the podium steps.


    How the Froome haters must be revelling in their misery at this result.... don't worry lads you can all slag him off in the Tour in a couple of month... not long to wait.
    'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    yeah a rider apparently on the decline is now going to hold all three GT titles at the same time. Has that ever been done before ?
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    Probably the most prominent win in his career, not for the trophy itself, but for the way it was achieved... the stage to Jafferau is there with the '98 stage to Les Deux Alps at the TdF.
    left the forum March 2023
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    sherer wrote:
    yeah a rider apparently on the decline is now going to hold all three GT titles at the same time. Has that ever been done before ?
    Yes, by Merckx in 1973 and Hinault in 1983
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    RichN95 wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    yeah a rider apparently on the decline is now going to hold all three GT titles at the same time. Has that ever been done before ?
    Yes, by Merckx in 1973 and Hinault in 1983

    It is absolutely nuts.

    If someone told me that geezer from Barloworld would win all 3 GTs in a row, I’d have told them to lay off the crack.
    _
  • amrushton
    amrushton Posts: 1,313
    Even people at Sky would have said that when they recruited him. He was a good domestique.
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    sherer wrote:
    yeah a rider apparently on the decline is now going to hold all three GT titles at the same time. Has that ever been done before ?
    Isn't it more likely that he isn't on the decline? I know logically he's getting older and people think they are seeing weakness, but on the other hand he was a late starter and it's only these last two years he's really tried to win two GTs in the year.
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  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    I have to say that it's quite fun at this stage to go back and read through the first few pages of this thread - try it.

    I am a moderate Froome fan: possibly because, unlike most of you, I have been on Kenyan roads (sadly no cycling as yet, maybe next time) and so have great respect for anyone who grew up doing that.

    I do recall hoping, as he struggled in the first week or so, that he would come good - if only to flummox all those who were ready to greet his apparent decline with such evident glee.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Yeah.

    TbF it's been a long time since someone has been dropped for most of the first two weeks by their rivals to still go out and win it.
    _
  • Bumo_b
    Bumo_b Posts: 211
    Also it has been wildly advertised that he was double the allowed limit, yet the sample has now been re-calibrated to 1429ng/ml by the officials.
    As said earlier, due process is not yet complete and and whilst I sympathise with others point of view, especially mentioning past athletes that have been banned for the same transgression, it is only natural that more scrutiny is placed on the tests themselves when it involves a grand tour winner and how fallible these tests are.
    For me, the ride on stage 19 was probably the best I have seen in my 30 years of watching professional cycling.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,499
    When I started watching cycling a 6 minute lead was normal so 3 minutes is nothing. It is just a modern perspective due to controlled races. There was no control in this Giro.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • slowbike
    slowbike Posts: 8,498
    Excellent racing - almost looks like a game plan - let someone else take all the pink jersey flack so he can just get on with riding - then booom - go and take the win just when it suits ... I don't think he would've wanted the gap to be that big before Stage 19 though....

    All those who are saying "must be on drugs" etc etc - look at the stage where he took the win - he made his time on the descent - not the climb - by the end of the final climb several others in the chasing group had made up time on him, so he wasn't the fastest up there. It must've been heart in mouth stuff for the Sky team - all waiting to see if he could hold on against TD - and when TD waited around for other riders to help him that was just gold...

    Now - what I find amusing (because I'm not a great CF fan - good rider, but there's just something I can't like when it comes to interviews) - in the post race interviews, now in Pink - he says he's glad the whole team bought into the plan and got behind him - yes Chris, they ALL supported their LEADER and didn't go off on an attack/chase on a pivotal moment when the leader needed support .... handy when everyone sings from the same hymn sheet isn't it.. ;)
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Yeah.

    TbF it's been a long time since someone has been dropped for most of the first two weeks by their rivals to still go out and win it.

    In fairness, before the Zoncalon he was distanced 3 times and lost 1.50 in total. Not great but not 'dropped for most of the first two weeks'
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