Froome KA BOOOM

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  • topper_harley
    topper_harley Posts: 597
    RichN95 wrote:
    It's notable that on the two previous stages that ended on long climbs, Froome finished with the main GC group. It's the short sharp finishes that he lost time on. It's almost as if his knee has worked as a power limiter. He's fine churning out 400W for a long time, but it's been stopping him raising it to 600W for shorter efforts.
    Last short sharp shock he said he got caught up in a crash and that’s why he lost 40 seconds..
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    Topper harley wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    It's notable that on the two previous stages that ended on long climbs, Froome finished with the main GC group. It's the short sharp finishes that he lost time on. It's almost as if his knee has worked as a power limiter. He's fine churning out 400W for a long time, but it's been stopping him raising it to 600W for shorter efforts.
    Last short sharp shock he said he got caught up in a crash and that’s why he lost 40 seconds..

    He was caught behind the crash though, when the others had put in the efforts to be further up.
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Topper Harley are you Chris froomes mummy ?
  • ben@31
    ben@31 Posts: 2,327
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    because it looks as if some folks are going to suffering serious sour grape syndrome, after today's turn around.

    So tell us, how did Froome's turn around go on Stage 15?
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  • argyllflyer
    argyllflyer Posts: 893
    ben@31 wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    because it looks as if some folks are going to suffering serious sour grape syndrome, after today's turn around.

    So tell us, how did Froome's turn around go on Stage 15?

    Froome has always thrived on 'hockeystick' type stages. Yesterday was not that.
  • topper_harley
    topper_harley Posts: 597
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    Topper Harley are you Chris froomes mummy ?
    Pretty poor considering what we know about Froomes mum, uncalled for
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Great fight for the podium coming up RAAARRRR
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Topper harley wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    Topper Harley are you Chris froomes mummy ?
    Pretty poor considering what we know about Froomes mum, uncalled for

    I know nothing about his mother but your response shows youre a bit sensitive. and seem to have a crush on him
  • topper_harley
    topper_harley Posts: 597
    Aye sure you know nothing about him, you have a bigger hard on for him than the biggest fan boy
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,692
    Any chance we could stop this now? Ta.

    Decent result for Froome today, puts him well into podium contention again.
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  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Topper harley wrote:
    Aye sure you know nothing about him, you have a bigger hard on for him than the biggest fan boy

    yes dear, don't judge everyone by your own purile standards, and try not to swear, it's not big and it's not clever and no one, or at least no one of consequence is impressed.
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Any chance we could stop this now? Ta.

    Decent result for Froome today, puts him well into podium contention again.

    Very decent indeed. The fight back continues!
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,499
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Decent result for Froome today, puts him well into podium contention again.
    I believe some of us predicted as much. :wink:
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Any chance we could stop this now? Ta.

    Decent result for Froome today, puts him well into podium contention again.

    He now has to climb faster than Pozzovivo who, Zoncalon aside, has been climbing faster than Froome, right?
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,692
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Any chance we could stop this now? Ta.

    Decent result for Froome today, puts him well into podium contention again.

    He now has to climb faster than Pozzovivo who, Zoncalon aside, has been climbing faster than Froome, right?

    Well either that or crack Tom for 3 minutes or Yates for 4..... :lol:

    Match Pozzovivo every stage then beat him by 30" for a stage win (no bonus to Pozzovivo) and he's there. It's well within the bounds of possibility in the 3rd week of a GT.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Aye I’d suggest it’s less likely than it is.

    Pozzovivo has been around the block and he’s not normally any worse in week three.

    He’s outclimed Froome significantly (hence still being ahead after two TTs) and even on the day Froome put everyone (including tomorrow’s Froome) to the sword Poz wasn’t all that far behind.

    I get Froome is #1GT rider of his generation and Pozzovivo is at best a top 10 Giro rider but last 2 weeks say Pozzovivo is OK.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Aye I’d suggest it’s less likely than it is.

    Pozzovivo has been around the block and he’s not normally any worse in week three.

    He’s outclimed Froome significantly (hence still being ahead after two TTs) and even on the day Froome put everyone (including tomorrow’s Froome) to the sword Poz wasn’t all that far behind.

    I get Froome is #1GT rider of his generation and Pozzovivo is at best a top 10 Giro rider but last 2 weeks say Pozzovivo is OK.
    Yeah, but the short fast climbs that Pozzovivo has taken time on are behind them. The final climbs from now of the steady 10km type which favour Froome. Plus Pozzovivo's team isn't that strong.

    Also early in this Giro (and in the Tour of the Alps) Pozzovivo looked in the form of his life. He's looking a lot more normal recently.
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    I'm still surprised Froome is all that bothered about 2nd or 3rd in the Giro.
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,486
    Pozzovivo looks even more atrocious on a bike than Froome. That being said I hope Pozzo manages a podium finish.
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  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    ive been thinking about Froomes performance, he's obviously in great shape zoncolan and the TT proved it but if i were Froome Id be thinking about the tour.

    He's a GT champion though so what i think he's thinking and what he is actually thinking may be two very different things :)
  • redvision
    redvision Posts: 2,958
    RichN95 wrote:

    Also early in this Giro (and in the Tour of the Alps) Pozzovivo looked in the form of his life. He's looking a lot more normal recently.

    But so is Froome.

    He has had a mare but all this talk of a fantastic TT from him yesterday is making me smile. One of Froomes biggest strengths is his TT ability (on flat or hilly TT's). An on form Froome would have been fancied to win or challenge for yesterdays TT. He even discussed the TT course when Sky announced he would ride the Giro and said it could suit him.

    Granted, on the form he has shown so far this Giro he put in a decent performance. But then he was only 20secs ahead of Aru who has completely flopped in this Giro.

    I think all this talk that Froome is going to have a magnificent final week and could sweep everyone aside is very premature and almost amusing.
  • craigus89
    craigus89 Posts: 887
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    I'm still surprised Froome is all that bothered about 2nd or 3rd in the Giro.

    I honestly don't think he is, but it may look like he does as he is still hanging on for the others to have bad days. It is within the realms of possibility, as outlined above, that he could still win it. If Yates and/or TD had a proper mare of a day losing 3 minutes isn't out of the question.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    redvision wrote:
    I think all this talk that Froome is going to have a magnificent final week and could sweep everyone aside is very premature and almost amusing.
    Who's actually saying that?

    Think he's got a good chance of overhauling Pozzo for 3rd.

    He'll only win if Yates has a really bad day, which isn't impossible but I wouldn't be betting on it!
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    redvision wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:

    Also early in this Giro (and in the Tour of the Alps) Pozzovivo looked in the form of his life. He's looking a lot more normal recently.

    But so is Froome.

    He has had a mare but all this talk of a fantastic TT from him yesterday is making me smile. One of Froomes biggest strengths is his TT ability (on flat or hilly TT's). An on form Froome would have been fancied to win or challenge for yesterdays TT. He even discussed the TT course when Sky announced he would ride the Giro and said it could suit him.

    Granted, on the form he has shown so far this Giro he put in a decent performance. But then he was only 20secs ahead of Aru who has completely flopped in this Giro.

    I think all this talk that Froome is going to have a magnificent final week and could sweep everyone aside is very premature and almost amusing.

    All a few folks have suggested is that Froome has a shot of the podium in relation to Pozzovivo, not winning the general classification.
    Nobody has claimed Froome's form is fantastic, just that it might improve on the more suitable, forthcoming climbs.
    The observation that Pozzovio (and Pinot) may be losing their form edge is valid.
    I suggested the same on the Sappada stage...........while Froome was going backwards. Imo, they raced the Tour of the Alps, too hard.
    As for Froome's "satisfactory" ITT: he was only beaten by four of the very best, pure trialists in the world.
    Aru has since become irrelevant.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,459
    Who'd have thunk that Uran would have been Sky's best result in the Giro?
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  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,127
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Who'd have thunk that Uran would have been Sky's best result in the Giro?

    and would have challenged for the overall if he hadn't waited for Wiggo in the rain.
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  • redvision
    redvision Posts: 2,958
    Blazing Saddles wrote:

    All a few folks have suggested is that Froome has a shot of the podium in relation to Pozzovivo, not winning the general classification.
    Nobody has claimed Froome's form is fantastic, just that it might improve on the more suitable, forthcoming climbs.
    The observation that Pozzovio (and Pinot) may be losing their form edge is valid.

    Ok, so perhaps not outright, but there seems to be an assumption that because froome won a stage the other day and had a top 5 finish in the TT that he is riding himself back in to form. Yet same people are commenting that Pozzovivo etc may be losing their edge because they didnt have a good TT.

    I would argue Froomes TT was a sign he is not strong. It was a solid ride but nothing special by his standards and he himself admitted before the race he was targeting a win on that stage.

    Pozzovivo has never been good at TT's. And apart from the one stage (which Froome won) he has never looked like he was struggling on any of the climbs. So i don't see where this confidence that he may be about to fall apart is coming from.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    redvision wrote:
    Pozzovivo has never been good at TT's.
    He's a lot better than people think he is, and a lot better than a rider of his size usually is. He has quite a few top ten TT results in World Tour races.
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  • redvision
    redvision Posts: 2,958
    RichN95 wrote:
    redvision wrote:
    Pozzovivo has never been good at TT's.
    He's a lot better than people think he is, and a lot better than a rider of his size usually is. He has quite a few top ten TT results in World Tour races.

    But not in a GT and i didn't hear anyone call his ride yesterday 'disappointing'.

    Plus, weren't the TT's he has performed extremely well in not hilly?? (as in suit him??)
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Slightly hilly TTs actually create bigger time gaps for TT specialists over climbers than super fast flat TTs, save for ones with monster headwinds.
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