Froome KA BOOOM
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Of course, but when targeting 2 grand tours a year we don’t get a good feel on how far he has declined or if he even has.....I don’t know, maybe last year if he never done the tour and went all balls in for the Vuelta I could have seen him close to 2013 form, winning every race in the build up to grand tours is long gone, I’m glad he sees the bigger pictureRichN95 wrote:
Everyone declines at some point. I don't think he'll ever be as good as 2013 again.Topper harley wrote:Loving the so called fans telling us that froome is declining, make no mistake if froome was to target one grand tour a year then he’d be in full killer break the internet mode0 -
Maybe the uncertainty of whether he was going to take to the start line affected his preparation? I still wouldn't bet against him being the strongest at the Tour if he is competing.
Towards the end of every generation of top riders people start getting excited that the 'next generation' looks like offering more competition but when it comes to making the step up there is usually still only one dominant rider with another one or two who can challenge on a good day so I wouldn't get overly optimistic for a new dawn of multiple big hitters slugging out the GTs.0 -
I’d actually prefer him to sit this tour out, if he doesn't get banned that is0
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andyp wrote:DeVlaeminck wrote:If Yates can win this Giro would it be a surprise if Sky make him an offer he can't refuse for next year. Froome gets ditched due to form and reputation using zero tolerance as an excuse. Yesterday could be the beginning of the new era. Or it may not be...
Er, how does Yates fit into that 'zero tolerance' excuse exactly?
What Rich said exactly.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
sherer wrote:Froome has won the last two GTs and still has a chance at this one. How can you write him off as if he's career is over based on a few stages.. with a few off field problems it's understandable he might not be in top form for the Giro, plus he's never had to train to be ready for a GT in May so maybe didn't quite get it right this time
Not writing froome off at all just reflecting that that he's getting older and a new batch of contenders are emerging. Plus the Giro is notoriously exhausting and those that have ridden the tour after a hard Giro have to my memory all looked completely cooked.0 -
DeVlaeminck wrote:andyp wrote:DeVlaeminck wrote:If Yates can win this Giro would it be a surprise if Sky make him an offer he can't refuse for next year. Froome gets ditched due to form and reputation using zero tolerance as an excuse. Yesterday could be the beginning of the new era. Or it may not be...
Er, how does Yates fit into that 'zero tolerance' excuse exactly?
What Rich said exactly.
Didnt he turn them down before so he could ride with his brother? not that that shold preclude either or both of them working for Sky in the future of course0 -
DeVlaeminck wrote:andyp wrote:DeVlaeminck wrote:If Yates can win this Giro would it be a surprise if Sky make him an offer he can't refuse for next year. Froome gets ditched due to form and reputation using zero tolerance as an excuse. Yesterday could be the beginning of the new era. Or it may not be...
Er, how does Yates fit into that 'zero tolerance' excuse exactly?
What Rich said exactly.
Still don't get it - you propose Sky sack Froome because he's (possibly) misused asthma medicine, but sign S Yates, even though he was banned for exactly the same thing? How is that logical?0 -
Sky sack froome they get sued as froome claims sky doctor told him to increase his dosage, it’s the same with the Yates doctor not filling the form out correctly0
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andyp wrote:DeVlaeminck wrote:andyp wrote:DeVlaeminck wrote:If Yates can win this Giro would it be a surprise if Sky make him an offer he can't refuse for next year. Froome gets ditched due to form and reputation using zero tolerance as an excuse. Yesterday could be the beginning of the new era. Or it may not be...
Er, how does Yates fit into that 'zero tolerance' excuse exactly?
What Rich said exactly.
Still don't get it - you propose Sky sack Froome because he's (possibly) misused asthma medicine, but sign S Yates, even though he was banned for exactly the same thing? How is that logical?
No I don't propose Sky sack Froome. I've suggested that it's just possible they may use any ban as a pretext to ease Froome out IF Yates proves himself to be a British grand tour winner and looks like future Tour winner. I then added "maybe not" just to suggest that it's not a scenario I think is particularly likely.
If Froome is banned though it's not true that Yates' ban was for the same thing - nobody has suggested that Froome's would be for a team admin oversight.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Hardly a great crumbling as of yet. Maybe we'll see that on Stage 14.BASI Nordic Ski Instructor
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davidof wrote:Hardly a great crumbling as of yet. Maybe we'll see that on Stage 14.
He looked quite jittery today though. Good job he had a team to pilot him the last couple of km. (which is what they're there for of course)0 -
Vino'sGhost wrote:davidof wrote:Hardly a great crumbling as of yet. Maybe we'll see that on Stage 14.
He looked quite jittery today though. Good job he had a team to pilot him the last couple of km. (which is what they're there for of course)
Usually the fall comes hard and fast, like Indurain in 1996.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xh1f5i
currently we have Froome hanging on by the skin.BASI Nordic Ski Instructor
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judging by the way he got back to the front he has nothing to worry about .0
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what tyres does froome use cos im gonna stay well clear of em.0
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might just be too much pressure in them . but if you catch those white lines wrong in the rain you are going down .john1967 wrote:what tyres does froome use cos im gonna stay well clear of em.
not the first rider to do it and wont be the last .
Carapaz flew up that last K . incredible. good ride by pinot to get a bonus.0 -
He’s not dominating like we see at the Tour but I think people are over-stating his demise. He lost a chunk in the prologue having had a heavy fall on the course recce and a few seconds in a split on a steep ramp. Other than the two MS riders on Etna he hasn’t lost anything on the two main climbs so far despite crashing today. Can he win? Who knows but it’s more exciting than when he leads by a minute or more after the first week of a GT. I still think he’ll improve towards the end as others fade.0
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M.R.M. wrote:
Continental Competition Pro Ltd 25 mm tubs.john1967 wrote:what tyres does froome use cos im gonna stay well clear of em.
are those stock sky tyres cos Froome seems to go down a lot on bends.he went down twice on a stage of the vuelta in bone dry conditions and recently in the tour he slipped over a white line.0 -
Both he and his team aren’t going to reveal if his crash in the prologue recce has caused him more grief than ideal. The fact that his right leg strapping is still there over a week after that accident suggests he’s not all good.
It’s very difficult to “get form” with injury - no matter how fit you are.0 -
I wonder if he will need a TUE after his latest off...
I think it's way to early to talk about his demise.
I for one would love to see sky dominance end but don't forget, Froome is attempting a giro tour double. Last time contador won the giro he attempted the double and openly admits he was pushed so hard at the giro it made the double impossible.
Froome is staying in touch with the leaders and could quite possibly be riding within himself to prevent suffering the same exhaustion that prevented AC winning the double.
For me the strongest signal that he isn't suffering as much as it looks is his ability to get back in after seemingly being dropped. In last year's tour he did this a couple of times. It seems to be mind games.
When he can't get back in, that's when you can say there is a problem.
I also suspect he still favours a tour win and he won't go too far in to the red at the giro in order to protect his chances in July.0 -
I pointed this out 2 or 3 years ago. It may just be my perspective and I have not seen any definite studies bit I believe that Sky, and Froome in particular, have much more slide "downs" than any other team.john1967 wrote:M.R.M. wrote:
Continental Competition Pro Ltd 25 mm tubs.john1967 wrote:what tyres does froome use cos im gonna stay well clear of em.
are those stock sky tyres cos Froome seems to go down a lot on bends.he went down twice on a stage of the vuelta in bone dry conditions and recently in the tour he slipped over a white line.
PS, and back OT - I also said a few months ago that the Giro was a target as to hold all 3, but I didn't expect him to seriously compete unless presented with the possibility as the next Tour is possibly more important to him. Just an opinion.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It's probably the most used tyre in the peloton.john1967 wrote:M.R.M. wrote:
Continental Competition Pro Ltd 25 mm tubs.john1967 wrote:what tyres does froome use cos im gonna stay well clear of em.
are those stock sky tyres cos Froome seems to go down a lot on bends.he went down twice on a stage of the vuelta in bone dry conditions and recently in the tour he slipped over a white line.PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230 -
I always remember Alex Ferguson's attitude to the Premiership. He said that he just needed his team to be fully fit and in contention with ten games to go. He'd be confident that he'd win from there.
I think it is the same with Froome. If the GC is the same now as it is going into next weekend, he'll be top two, guaranteed.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Sky do seem to have a lot of slide outs but I suspect that's just because there is a lot of attention on them and we notice them when they happen rather than because they are any more prone to it than other teams.
As for Froome, if I had to bet I don't think he's going to win this race but it's impossible to really know. I just have a feeling that we are going to see him struggle if we get a wet, cold, chaotic mountain stage, maybe even a mini melt down as we saw from Wiggins in the Giro.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
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RichN95 wrote:I always remember Alex Ferguson's attitude to the Premiership. He said that he just needed his team to be fully fit and in contention with ten games to go. He'd be confident that he'd win from there.
I think it is the same with Froome. If the GC is the same now as it is going into next weekend, he'll be top two, guaranteed.
You must be running out of gloss soon.
He’s not down and out yet, despite my proclamations, but he is down.
He’s lucky the rival teams didn’t consider him enough of a threat to smash it after he fell off on his own going uphill.
He won’t enjoy the rain today either.0 -
Vino'sGhost wrote:davidof wrote:Hardly a great crumbling as of yet. Maybe we'll see that on Stage 14.
He looked quite jittery today though. Good job he had a team to pilot him the last couple of km. (which is what they're there for of course)
Oh come off it, he always looks like that.
His whole bit is you never know if he’s about to drop his ass onto the tarmac or drop the entire peloton. Both moves look almost identical.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Vino'sGhost wrote:davidof wrote:Hardly a great crumbling as of yet. Maybe we'll see that on Stage 14.
He looked quite jittery today though. Good job he had a team to pilot him the last couple of km. (which is what they're there for of course)
Oh come off it, he always looks like that.
His whole bit is you never know if he’s about to drop his ass onto the tarmac or drop the entire peloton. Both moves look almost identical.
Must be a Sky thing as it's the same when Stannard starts to look like he's about to die - then you know he's going to start tearing it up0 -
All I know is never to write off the big champions of the sport.Rick Chasey wrote:RichN95 wrote:I always remember Alex Ferguson's attitude to the Premiership. He said that he just needed his team to be fully fit and in contention with ten games to go. He'd be confident that he'd win from there.
I think it is the same with Froome. If the GC is the same now as it is going into next weekend, he'll be top two, guaranteed.
You must be running out of gloss soon.
He’s not down and out yet, despite my proclamations, but he is down.
He’s lucky the rival teams didn’t consider him enough of a threat to smash it after he fell off on his own going uphill.
He won’t enjoy the rain today either.Twitter: @RichN950
