Windrush crisis

knedlicky

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/entire-uk-to-be-deported-for-not-keeping-all-their-paperwork-20180426148045

Pross

Am I the only one getting pushed towards supporting Rudd purely on the basis that Abbott wants her to resign?

rjsterry

Pross wrote:

Am I the only one getting pushed towards supporting Rudd purely on the basis that Abbott wants her to resign?

I think the only thing keeping Rudd in place is the lack of a viable alternative. I'm not sure Abbott's opinion on the matter is of any consequence.

surrey_commuter

rjsterry wrote:

Pross wrote:

Am I the only one getting pushed towards supporting Rudd purely on the basis that Abbott wants her to resign?

I think the only thing keeping Rudd in place is the lack of a viable alternative. I'm not sure Abbott's opinion on the matter is of any consequence.

More like a human shield for her predecessor

rjsterry

Surrey Commuter wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Pross wrote:

Am I the only one getting pushed towards supporting Rudd purely on the basis that Abbott wants her to resign?

I think the only thing keeping Rudd in place is the lack of a viable alternative. I'm not sure Abbott's opinion on the matter is of any consequence.

More like a human shield for her predecessor

True. No viable alternative for Rudd or May.

Frank Wilson

Why is it a crisis?

Pross

Frank Wilson wrote:

Why is it a crisis?

Yeah, I can’t see why hundreds / thousands of people losing their jobs and being kicked out of a country they’ve lived in for decades is even worth a mention. Bunch of whingers like Scousers :roll:

Frank Wilson

Pross wrote:

Frank Wilson wrote:

Why is it a crisis?

Yeah, I can’t see why hundreds / thousands of people losing their jobs and being kicked out of a country they’ve lived in for decades is even worth a mention. Bunch of whingers like Scousers :roll:

Pross, as someone who I believe comes from South Wales all I will say to you is my family came from Capel Celyn so you will get my dislike of Liverpool. And don't forget no government body came to their rescue when they lost everything. Perhaps if justice was more evenly distributed in this country I may have more sympathy for others.

TheGardenGnome

Frank has a point. Why care for anybody if nobody cares for you? If he can't get something, nobody can. It's a dog eat dog world, every man for himself. Why should only those living in or around London receive more care than anybody else? They don't do anything extra for anybody. It's the metropolitans vs urbanites. Rich vs poor. Middle class vs working class.

orraloon

We are all Thatcher's Children now. "There's no such thing as society."

rick_chasey

TheGardenGnome wrote:

Frank has a point. Why care for anybody if nobody cares for you? If he can't get something, nobody can. It's a dog eat dog world, every man for himself. Why should only those living in or around London receive more care than anybody else? They don't do anything extra for anybody. It's the metropolitans vs urbanites. Rich vs poor. Middle class vs working class.

2/10.

Too obvious.

surrey_commuter

TheGardenGnome wrote:

Frank has a point. Why care for anybody if nobody cares for you? If he can't get something, nobody can. It's a dog eat dog world, every man for himself. Why should only those living in or around London receive more care than anybody else? They don't do anything extra for anybody. It's the metropolitans vs urbanites. Rich vs poor. Middle class vs working class.

Getting cocky... if not careful people may think you are our Coopski upgrade.

To a resident of a geographically large country, Liverpool will look close to London but nobody in the UK would think of Liverpool as being “around London”

rjsterry

Surrey Commuter wrote:

TheGardenGnome wrote:

Frank has a point. Why care for anybody if nobody cares for you? If he can't get something, nobody can. It's a dog eat dog world, every man for himself. Why should only those living in or around London receive more care than anybody else? They don't do anything extra for anybody. It's the metropolitans vs urbanites. Rich vs poor. Middle class vs working class.

Getting cocky... if not careful people may think you are our Coopski upgrade.

To a resident of a geographically large country, Liverpool will look close to London but nobody in the UK would think of Liverpool as being “around London”

Pfft. At least Coopster gave the impression that he believed what he was posting.

FishFish

Pross wrote:

Frank Wilson wrote:

Why is it a crisis?

Yeah, I can’t see why hundreds / thousands of people losing their jobs and being kicked out of a country they’ve lived in for decades is even worth a mention. Bunch of whingers like Scousers :roll:

No - one is disagreeing with this.

The point is that illegal immigrants were being targeted by the immigration services who had budgets for the number to be deported.

Why is that different from the police having targets to arrest criminals. I've lived in both Kuwait and in The Gambia - in neither of those countries would you be allowed to stay illegally - immediate deportation - straight to the airport if you committed a crime, or in the case of Kuwait, lost your job.

rjsterry

FishFish wrote:

Pross wrote:

Frank Wilson wrote:

Why is it a crisis?

Yeah, I can’t see why hundreds / thousands of people losing their jobs and being kicked out of a country they’ve lived in for decades is even worth a mention. Bunch of whingers like Scousers :roll:

No - one is disagreeing with this.

The point is that illegal immigrants were being targeted by the immigration services who had budgets for the number to be deported.

Why is that different from the police having targets to arrest criminals. I've lived in both Kuwait and in The Gambia - in neither of those countries would you be allowed to stay illegally - immediate deportation - straight to the airport if you committed a crime, or in the case of Kuwait, lost your job.

Well, no. They were targeting legal and illegal immigrants alike because the system had been set up so as not to be able to accurately distinguish between the two.

Pross

FishFish wrote:

Pross wrote:

Frank Wilson wrote:

Why is it a crisis?

Yeah, I can’t see why hundreds / thousands of people losing their jobs and being kicked out of a country they’ve lived in for decades is even worth a mention. Bunch of whingers like Scousers :roll:

No - one is disagreeing with this.

The point is that illegal immigrants were being targeted by the immigration services who had budgets for the number to be deported.

Why is that different from the police having targets to arrest criminals. I've lived in both Kuwait and in The Gambia - in neither of those countries would you be allowed to stay illegally - immediate deportation - straight to the airport if you committed a crime, or in the case of Kuwait, lost your job.

Well, apart from the fact many weren't illegal immigrants and were the families of those invited to come to the country which is the whole issue here. I doubt anyone has an issue with illegals being deported (unless it puts their lives at risk).

Pross

Frank Wilson wrote:

Pross wrote:

Frank Wilson wrote:

Why is it a crisis?

Yeah, I can’t see why hundreds / thousands of people losing their jobs and being kicked out of a country they’ve lived in for decades is even worth a mention. Bunch of whingers like Scousers :roll:

Pross, as someone who I believe comes from South Wales all I will say to you is my family came from Capel Celyn so you will get my dislike of Liverpool. And don't forget no government body came to their rescue when they lost everything. Perhaps if justice was more evenly distributed in this country I may have more sympathy for others.

So you blame the entire population of a city for something instigated by the cities Councillors and back by Parliament over 50 years ago? Seems reasonable!

TheGardenGnome

The people of those cities have the ability to influence the councillors and Parliament, so collectively they are fault for this problem.

rjsterry

Arguably Capel Celyn was a major catalyst for the establishment of the Welsh Office and Secretary of State for Wales, and eventually the Welsh Assembly.

Pross

Surrey Commuter wrote:

TheGardenGnome wrote:

Frank has a point. Why care for anybody if nobody cares for you? If he can't get something, nobody can. It's a dog eat dog world, every man for himself. Why should only those living in or around London receive more care than anybody else? They don't do anything extra for anybody. It's the metropolitans vs urbanites. Rich vs poor. Middle class vs working class.

Getting cocky... if not careful people may think you are our Coopski upgrade.

To a resident of a geographically large country, Liverpool will look close to London but nobody in the UK would think of Liverpool as being “around London”

I'm pretty sure that post was being sarcastic / satirical towards Frank's post.

Frank Wilson

Pross wrote:

Frank Wilson wrote:

Pross wrote:

Frank Wilson wrote:

Why is it a crisis?

Yeah, I can’t see why hundreds / thousands of people losing their jobs and being kicked out of a country they’ve lived in for decades is even worth a mention. Bunch of whingers like Scousers :roll:

Pross, as someone who I believe comes from South Wales all I will say to you is my family came from Capel Celyn so you will get my dislike of Liverpool. And don't forget no government body came to their rescue when they lost everything. Perhaps if justice was more evenly distributed in this country I may have more sympathy for others.

So you blame the entire population of a city for something instigated by the cities Councillors and back by Parliament over 50 years ago? Seems reasonable!

As the village was 100% Welsh Speaking I would go as far to say that it was ethnic cleansing by a foreign body.

TheBigBean

surrey_commuter

Pross wrote:

FishFish wrote:

Pross wrote:

Frank Wilson wrote:

Why is it a crisis?

Yeah, I can’t see why hundreds / thousands of people losing their jobs and being kicked out of a country they’ve lived in for decades is even worth a mention. Bunch of whingers like Scousers :roll:

No - one is disagreeing with this.

The point is that illegal immigrants were being targeted by the immigration services who had budgets for the number to be deported.

Why is that different from the police having targets to arrest criminals. I've lived in both Kuwait and in The Gambia - in neither of those countries would you be allowed to stay illegally - immediate deportation - straight to the airport if you committed a crime, or in the case of Kuwait, lost your job.

Well, apart from the fact many weren't illegal immigrants and were the families of those invited to come to the country which is the whole issue here. I doubt anyone has an issue with illegals being deported (unless it puts their lives at risk).

Yep deporting the murdering rapist to Kentucky for his injection will have them marching in the streets of Hull/Stoke/Sunderland

rjsterry

Frank Wilson wrote:

Pross wrote:

Frank Wilson wrote:

Pross wrote:

Frank Wilson wrote:

Why is it a crisis?

Yeah, I can’t see why hundreds / thousands of people losing their jobs and being kicked out of a country they’ve lived in for decades is even worth a mention. Bunch of whingers like Scousers :roll:

Pross, as someone who I believe comes from South Wales all I will say to you is my family came from Capel Celyn so you will get my dislike of Liverpool. And don't forget no government body came to their rescue when they lost everything. Perhaps if justice was more evenly distributed in this country I may have more sympathy for others.

So you blame the entire population of a city for something instigated by the cities Councillors and back by Parliament over 50 years ago? Seems reasonable!

As the village was 100% Welsh Speaking I would go as far to say that it was ethnic cleansing by a foreign body.

Not sure I'd go that far, but it certainly was a shameful episode and shows old attitudes to Wales and the Welsh language. If you're looking for someone to blame, that lies further afield than just Liverpool as it was enacted by Act of Parliament.

orraloon

TheBigBean wrote:

"Send me that on email and I'll say I didn't read it."

orraloon

Ah no, don't bother. Taxi!

robert88

Rudd today, it'll be May tomorrow?

pblakeney

Robert88 wrote:

Rudd today, it'll be May tomorrow?

That’s a fairly safe bet!

TheBigBean

I feel like Rudd should have resigned because she knew what was going on, not because she didn't

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