Windrush crisis

surrey_commuter

PBlakeney wrote:

So simply deport 10% of that number who happen to be legal?
Remember May’s words, we can deport first and hear appeals later.

You create a hostile environment which will send the appropriate message to frontline workers. Coupled with a bonus for getting your deportations up you are a step closer to net migration in the tens of thousands.

In fairness to the Tories they were very open (boastful?) about it.

As I say people are hesitant about the details not the actual policy

tailwindhome

Targets encourage behaviors which achieve targets
These behaviors may not be desirable

surrey_commuter

TailWindHome wrote:

Targets encourage behaviors which achieve targets
These behaviors may not be desirable

To you and I maybe... I am sure there a millions of Coopster out there perfectly happy

rjsterry

FishFish wrote:

The 'documentation' that you so freely refer to HAS to be a record held in the Home office - NOT a stamp in a passport. Persuasive evidence includes a stamp in a passport or - as is inevitable in the case of residency - a letter which follows from the record in the Home Office.

You are wrong.

Stamp in a passport? What are you on about? We're talking about people who arrived and settled in this country (legally) as children in the '50s and '60s. As children they wouldn't have had or needed passports, (only embarkation cards, which were destroyed). That the current rules don't account for such people is a fault in the drafting of those rules.

tailwindhome

Surrey Commuter wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Targets encourage behaviors which achieve targets
These behaviors may not be desirable

To you and I maybe... I am sure there a millions of Coopster out there perfectly happy

I have to believe there aren't millions of them.

rjsterry

TailWindHome wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Targets encourage behaviors which achieve targets
These behaviors may not be desirable

To you and I maybe... I am sure there a millions of Coopster out there perfectly happy

I have to believe there aren't millions of them.

That is in deed a horrific thought. I think there may have been a lot of people who supported the policy without giving much thought to what that would result in.

rjsterry

I wonder if Abramovich will be threatened with deportation under section 322(5) of the Immigration Act now that his visa has run out.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... -a-uk-visa

surrey_commuter

rjsterry wrote:

I wonder if Abramovich will be threatened with deportation under section 322(5) of the Immigration Act now that his visa has run out.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... -a-uk-visa

nope because he is not in the country.

Stevo_666

Surrey Commuter wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

I wonder if Abramovich will be threatened with deportation under section 322(5) of the Immigration Act now that his visa has run out.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... -a-uk-visa

nope because he is not in the country.

And hasn't been since his visa ran out.

Centre leftie wishful thinking?

imafatman

I'm all for having a sensible immigration policy that keeps undesirables out however the current system is an absolute shambles, it is at best a heartless and useless bureaucratic machine, and at worst it's intentionally designed to create an extremely hostile and unforgiving system in which they lie and bend the rules to reject as many people as possible regardless of the consequences.

Theresa May has a lot to answer for. It was under her department that a lot of this started and now she's PM she's somehow managed to avoid taking the heat for this but I truly hope she faces justice for the pain and suffering that has been caused.

Open for business? As if. More like "fuck off you dirty p*** scum we don't want you, we don't want your skilled labour, fuck off you bl*** b**** who have lived here for all your lives, fuck your 40 years service to this country, fuck your families, fuck you all. Get the fuck out."

That's the message that is being broadcast under Theresa May's Britain. And I say this as a white Englishman who's lived here all my life who was once (mistakenly) proud to be British and is now deeply ashamed of the way we have treated people.

Sorry for the emotive language but this mess has really gotten me fired up. Politics in this country is absolutely farked.

rick_chasey

A couple Astana riders were denied visas last minute and so missed out on the TdY this year; Astana rode with two fewer riders as a result.

Jez mon

imafatman wrote:

I'm all for having a sensible immigration policy that keeps undesirables out however the current system is an absolute shambles, it is at best a heartless and useless bureaucratic machine, and at worst it's intentionally designed to create an extremely hostile and unforgiving system in which they lie and bend the rules to reject as many people as possible regardless of the consequences.

Theresa May has a lot to answer for. It was under her department that a lot of this started and now she's PM she's somehow managed to avoid taking the heat for this but I truly hope she faces justice for the pain and suffering that has been caused.

Open for business? As if. More like "fark off you dirty p*** scum we don't want you, we don't want your skilled labour, fark off you bl*** b**** who have lived here for all your lives, fark your 40 years service to this country, fark your families, fark you all. Get the fark out."

That's the message that is being broadcast under Theresa May's Britain. And I say this as a white Englishman who's lived here all my life who was once (mistakenly) proud to be British and is now deeply ashamed of the way we have treated people.

Sorry for the emotive language but this mess has really gotten me fired up. Politics in this country is absolutely farked.

The thing that's most surprised me about this story, is that after the election pledge of reducing immigration down to 100,000 is that the Tories actually tried to deliver on the promise.

I thought it was just one of those election/vote winning lies that politicians tell, like the extra money for the NHS after leaving the EU, or the scrapping of Tuition fees, but it seems that the Tories have a plan in place to sharply reduce immigration, in spite of what other Govt departments might wish.

imafatman

Jez mon wrote:

The thing that's most surprised me about this story, is that after the election pledge of reducing immigration down to 100,000 is that the Tories actually tried to deliver on the promise.

Presumably because they think this is exactly what a large chunk of the electorate want? Which if true is a sad indictment of what this country has/will become. It's so shortsighted and moronic.

The crazy thing is that net figure includes international students, who pay huge fee's for the privilege at studying at our world renowned academic institutions. Something in the region of £15-40k _per year_ depending in University fee's, plus fark knows how much in living costs which they spend here in the UK. And then at the end of it most of them go back home.

Why are we including these people in net immigration figures? It appears that TM simply has a problem with foreigners, regardless of the net benefit that they bring to this country, regardless of the fact that most of them will go home at the end of their studies, they apparently still count as immigrants coming to this country and needed to be hounded out.

TM is in complete denial if she thinks her "Global Britain" policy is actually achievable when she seems hell bent on kicking foreigners as much as possible.

surrey_commuter

arguably Migration Watch are a bunch of Nazis but I believe this is a yougov poll
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/361

76% want immigration reduced
72% thought that the government was right to impose a numerical limit on immigration each year
62% wanted to see the UK population decrease
49% of the public say that immigration will influence how they vote in the upcoming referendum on Britain's membership of the EU, making it the issue, by some distance, most likely to affect how people will vote

that would suggest that a lot of people back TM's policy but don't like the detail or are silently cheering her on

rjsterry

Surrey Commuter wrote:

arguably Migration Watch are a bunch of Nazis but I believe this is a yougov poll
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/361

76% want immigration reduced
72% thought that the government was right to impose a numerical limit on immigration each year
62% wanted to see the UK population decrease
49% of the public say that immigration will influence how they vote in the upcoming referendum on Britain's membership of the EU, making it the issue, by some distance, most likely to affect how people will vote

that would suggest that a lot of people back TM's policy but don't like the detail or are silently cheering her on

Generalities versus specifics; I think that's mostly just human nature. All those 76% are quite happy with the general idea of reducing immigration until they realise it's their GP that can't renew their visa.

surrey_commuter

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

arguably Migration Watch are a bunch of Nazis but I believe this is a yougov poll
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/361

76% want immigration reduced
72% thought that the government was right to impose a numerical limit on immigration each year
62% wanted to see the UK population decrease
49% of the public say that immigration will influence how they vote in the upcoming referendum on Britain's membership of the EU, making it the issue, by some distance, most likely to affect how people will vote

that would suggest that a lot of people back TM's policy but don't like the detail or are silently cheering her on

Generalities versus specifics; I think that's mostly just human nature. All those 76% are quite happy with the general idea of reducing immigration until they realise it's their GP that can't renew their visa.

absolutely - they are all up for austerity until their council wants £4 to dispose of a rubble bag of tiles

rjsterry

See also: we need more housing, but not in my village.

drhaggis

imafatman wrote:

Open for business? As if. More like "fark off you dirty p*** scum we don't want you, we don't want your skilled labour, fark off you bl*** b**** who have lived here for all your lives, fark your 40 years service to this country, fark your families, fark you all. Get the fark out."

You forgot the obligatory "...but we still want to sign a free trade deal with you or the EU".

rick_chasey

Story suggested police have arrested someone and have demanded a DNA test to establish if they were indeed “windrush”.

pblakeney

The carpet is looking a bit lumpy these days.

rick_chasey

You’ll enjoy this B.B.

A kiwi who came over to the U.K. can’t get a work visa because she doesn’t earn enough to cross the threshold, so she’s being sent back to New Zealand

Fair enough you say; only she was a primary school teacher in the U.K.; hence not earning enough.

surrey_commuter

Rick Chasey wrote:

You’ll enjoy this B.B.

A kiwi who came over to the U.K. can’t get a work visa because she doesn’t earn enough to cross the threshold, so she’s being sent back to New Zealand

Fair enough you say; only she was a primary school teacher in the U.K.; hence not earning enough.

There must be more to that story

https://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Jo ... her/Salary

Ben6899

Isn't the threshold £18k?

rjsterry

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

You’ll enjoy this B.B.

A kiwi who came over to the U.K. can’t get a work visa because she doesn’t earn enough to cross the threshold, so she’s being sent back to New Zealand

Fair enough you say; only she was a primary school teacher in the U.K.; hence not earning enough.

There must be more to that story

https://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Jo ... her/Salary

If she was newly qualified outside London, that would be about right.

rick_chasey

Yeah. It's unverified so could be BS.

DNA story isn't however. Who knew genetics could determine if you get deported or not.

Some real nazi sh!t, that.

surrey_commuter

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

You’ll enjoy this B.B.

A kiwi who came over to the U.K. can’t get a work visa because she doesn’t earn enough to cross the threshold, so she’s being sent back to New Zealand

Fair enough you say; only she was a primary school teacher in the U.K.; hence not earning enough.

There must be more to that story

https://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Jo ... her/Salary

If she was newly qualified outside London, that would be about right.

there seem some dogmatic answers that say a NQT outside london would earn at least £22,917

https://getintoteaching.education.gov.u ... r-salaries

rjsterry

Surrey Commuter wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

You’ll enjoy this B.B.

A kiwi who came over to the U.K. can’t get a work visa because she doesn’t earn enough to cross the threshold, so she’s being sent back to New Zealand

Fair enough you say; only she was a primary school teacher in the U.K.; hence not earning enough.

There must be more to that story

https://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Jo ... her/Salary

If she was newly qualified outside London, that would be about right.

there seem some dogmatic answers that say a NQT outside london would earn at least £22,917

https://getintoteaching.education.gov.u ... r-salaries

Assuming the story is true, perhaps the HO didn't assess her salary correctly. If they are using anti-terror legislation to deport people for minor tax return errors, then the bar is set pretty low.

surrey_commuter

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

You’ll enjoy this B.B.

A kiwi who came over to the U.K. can’t get a work visa because she doesn’t earn enough to cross the threshold, so she’s being sent back to New Zealand

Fair enough you say; only she was a primary school teacher in the U.K.; hence not earning enough.

There must be more to that story

https://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Jo ... her/Salary

If she was newly qualified outside London, that would be about right.

there seem some dogmatic answers that say a NQT outside london would earn at least £22,917

https://getintoteaching.education.gov.u ... r-salaries

Assuming the story is true, perhaps the HO didn't assess her salary correctly. If they are using anti-terror legislation to deport people for minor tax return errors, then the bar is set pretty low.

If this is the story then she was refused for not having enough points for a tier 2 visa. As this story has been wel covered with specialist doctors being refused entry she really has no chance. My understanding is that salary is one factor and as a teacher in London with two years standing she is probably on nearer £30k.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12038601

Frankly a Australian esque points based visa system to control immigration is the will of the people.

If you track back you will also see that I have posted that Australia is scrapping the system because the market is more efficient.

TheBigBean

I don't think it is that harsh. She came to the UK on a working holiday visa which is something that only a few countries are eligible for. The UK is far more generous in its offering of working holidays than those countries are, so she has been able to stay in the UK and do a proper job for two years.

Of course, there is a debate whether the UK should be giving work visas to teachers due to the shortage / underpayment of teachers, but if there is a case to do so, then they should offer work visas and select the best teachers.

I have read about many sad visa situations that are far worse than this.

TheBigBean

I should add that I thoroughly support working holiday visas, and it is something that the UK has historically been very good at offering. Even during the "hostile environment" they added Korea, Japan and Taiwan to the list of eligible countries.