Britain's response to Russia
bianchimoon
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Given that the nerve agent attack is now pretty conclusive and not withstanding the Litvenyenko radiological attack, are we that indebted to Russia that the response will be relatively feeble ie. a few agents sent home and some cash assets seized ?
Personally I would prefer that we were part of a strong Europe at this time especially given the total lack of western world leadership, sad times
Personally I would prefer that we were part of a strong Europe at this time especially given the total lack of western world leadership, sad times
All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
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Send in the jets!
THats a great idea.
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour
What, you think a big war is a great idea? I know you tend to read only every other word in posts, but no one is advocating a big war. I was thinking more of seizing control of Chelsea FC off Vlad's mate, that'll show em.
So - you’re advocating State sponsored seizure of a private asset?
Another top suggestion. Well done.
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour
No, seriously, it’s a great idea. Shall we also ask HMG to finance it after we’ve seized it?
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour
Hmmm, very very true but it might also mean I would have to do some work which I’m not too keen on. And the paperwork can be a nightmare.
Anyhow, how about his suggestion of HMG seizing Chelsea? That’s a grand idea, Wallace.
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour
It's a superb idea.
Perhaps some retaliatory kidnapping of various Russian... say diplomats and a battery and some jump leads thrown in. Imagine being the head of M16 now - glory days are back.
Seriously muddled thinking. They should be made to fund more UK loss making companies and to pump in enough money to keep the UK housing market (economy) for another decade.
Because if not Prince William won’t go and watch a football match.
"Important football club", now there's a contradiction of terms.
The older I get, the better I was.
Freezing assets of well off-Russians who have connections with Putin is precisely what has shown to be effective in the past.
It's not the same as communist requisitioning.
Edit: (though in fairness, Abramovic bought Chelsea mainly because he made enemies in Russia and so being high profile is a way to ward off threats to his life).
Oddly, novachok features in the Strike Back series I’m currently watching - I assumed it was a fictional agent!
is there not a difference between freezing assets and seizing them?
Not sure, but to me 'freezing assets' suggests more of a temporary measure, as if they could get them back.
The older I get, the better I was.
Sure but I presume there was just a mix up in language. We're not all lawyers.
And anyhow, do you honestly think Putin et al are the least bit worried about what Britain will - do - its a middle ranking country with no stability, an underfunded military, about to leave its biggest trading market with no plan to head into and can't even afford to support to support its internal requirements let alone pick a fight with anyone. Its biggest ally - the US - refuses to point blame at anyone (except for Tillerson, and he isn't President last time I looked). Its about as effective as the Gambia but without the sunshine.
They are talking about the UN making a statement. Whoopy do. Words.
Nothing will happen - a couple of diplomats will be asked to leave, they will come back in 6 months.
Plus ca change.
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour
Its nothing to do with being a lawyer or not - its basic English. If you don't know what it means don't type it.
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour
With mamba away sulking are you and Blakey competing to see who can be the most pessimistic?
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition
you need to cheer up a bit and stop being so pessimistic or you will never get anything done. You are forgetting that we are the 5th largest economy in the world and the the quality of the British fighting man is second to none. I think you will find that the Russian Bear is going to get a scare when the post-Brexit British Lion regains it's roar
https://www.treasury.gov/press-center/p ... 23331.aspx
Interesting piece on R4 on my drive into work. Apparently someone who knows about these things said that UK has expertise in tracking and dealing with terrorism. Apparently it's an asset of our country that is shared with our allies but Interestingly we share with Russia too. That sharing had value to them. The person speaking said that withdrawing this will have more effect than expelling a few diplomats.
I have no idea how true that is or who was being interviewed (I was half asleep driving into work). I believe other states such as USA and European states value it and gchq is certainly an asset. It's just whether Russia does get UK help against terrorism. I guess they have Islamic terrorism in their sphere of control, chechnia for example was / is an issue.
Anyhow it's all irrelevant. Things will get forgotten like the polonium guy, until something like this happens again. The one difference between then and now is we are not in a condition of improving Russian relationship. Back then UK was, along with the west, improving relations with Russia. They were seemingly moving in a positive direction. So a few token expulsions on each side and back to improving relations.
Now we're in a worse state wrt Russian relations with the west. Different political climate so nothing to lose if they go into this with more severe response.
It might be worth checking but I think the Chechnyans are freedom fighters. Either way they are mad fockers and it is best to leave them alone