Get Moscon out

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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 16,860
    last time I can remember something like this (outside of heated sprints) was Casagrande getting done during a giro. that said I have witnessed a fair few riders getting flicked into a ditch.
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  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    All this vehemence and, seven pages later, we still don't have a single crack about a Reichenbach fall?
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,342
    bompington wrote:
    we still don't have a single crack about a Reichenbach fall?
    Well the stories of Moscon's impending demise may have been greatly exaggerated. He should be in Sky's excessive black motor holmes at the next races, sure enough.
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  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    M.R.M. wrote:
    bompington wrote:
    we still don't have a single crack about a Reichenbach fall?
    Well the stories of Moscon's impending demise may have been greatly exaggerated. He should be in Sky's excessive black motor holmes at the next races, sure enough.

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    M.R.M. wrote:
    bompington wrote:
    we still don't have a single crack about a Reichenbach fall?
    Well the stories of Moscon's impending demise may have been greatly exaggerated. He should be in Sky's excessive black motor holmes at the next races, sure enough.
    If only by sheer luck.
  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    bompington wrote:
    All this vehemence and, seven pages later, we still don't have a single crack about a Reichenbach fall?

    I made that joke during the world championships, like, ooooh...3 or 4 years ago. It didn't get the reception it deserved, tbh.
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  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    The_Boy wrote:
    bompington wrote:
    All this vehemence and, seven pages later, we still don't have a single crack about a Reichenbach fall?

    I made that joke during the world championships, like, ooooh...3 or 4 years ago. It didn't get the reception it deserved, tbh.
    Sorry, I sometimes don't see Wats on in Pro Race
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    bompington wrote:
    The_Boy wrote:
    bompington wrote:
    All this vehemence and, seven pages later, we still don't have a single crack about a Reichenbach fall?

    I made that joke during the world championships, like, ooooh...3 or 4 years ago. It didn't get the reception it deserved, tbh.
    Sorry, I sometimes don't see Wats on in Pro Race

    well there's Moran this weekend
  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,599
    Case closed. UCI dismiss the case against him.
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  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    CarbonClem wrote:
    Case closed. UCI dismiss the case against him.

    Good, common sense pokes its head up.
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,786
    Let's hope he sees it as a wake up call rather than a license to continue being a dick
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  • specialgueststar
    specialgueststar Posts: 3,418
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    CarbonClem wrote:
    Case closed. UCI dismiss the case against him.

    Good, common sense pokes its head up.

    yeah you can't beat a bit of casual racism - don't know what all the fuss has been about :roll:
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,470
    SpecialGuestStar wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    CarbonClem wrote:
    Case closed. UCI dismiss the case against him.

    Good, common sense pokes its head up.

    yeah you can't beat a bit of casual racism - don't know what all the fuss has been about :roll:

    How is reichenbach falling off his bike racist?
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  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    gsk82 wrote:
    SpecialGuestStar wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    CarbonClem wrote:
    Case closed. UCI dismiss the case against him.

    Good, common sense pokes its head up.

    yeah you can't beat a bit of casual racism - don't know what all the fuss has been about :roll:

    How is reichenbach falling off his bike racist?

    Reichenbach had tan wall tyres and Moscon had evil black ones
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,786
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    gsk82 wrote:
    SpecialGuestStar wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    CarbonClem wrote:
    Case closed. UCI dismiss the case against him.

    Good, common sense pokes its head up.

    yeah you can't beat a bit of casual racism - don't know what all the fuss has been about :roll:

    How is reichenbach falling off his bike racist?

    Reichenbach had tan wall tyres and Moscon had evil black ones

    That comes across a bit badly
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  • specialgueststar
    specialgueststar Posts: 3,418
    gsk82 wrote:
    SpecialGuestStar wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    CarbonClem wrote:
    Case closed. UCI dismiss the case against him.

    Good, common sense pokes its head up.

    yeah you can't beat a bit of casual racism - don't know what all the fuss has been about :roll:

    How is reichenbach falling off his bike racist?

    Mi
    Oscon made racist remarks about Kevin Reza. Reichenbach tweeted in support of team mate Reza and against Moscon. Moscon deliberately pushed Reichenbach off his bike at the next opportunity. Reichenbach has a civil case against him. The UCI couldn't give a shit and the timetable for this reflects that

    And some say common sense prevailed !
  • jam1e
    jam1e Posts: 1,068
    Presumably you’ve proof he deliberately pushed him off?
  • specialgueststar
    specialgueststar Posts: 3,418
    jam1e wrote:
    Presumably you’ve proof he deliberately pushed him off?

    I don't need to its with the police

    Bit coincidental don't you think?
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,470
    SpecialGuestStar wrote:
    jam1e wrote:
    Presumably you’ve proof he deliberately pushed him off?

    I don't need to its with the police

    Bit coincidental don't you think?

    Even Reichenbach doesn't know he was pushed off. The allegations were based on a team helper telling him that someone had told him it happened.
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  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Its all a bit handbags isnt it. I would suggest they should either just get over it or punch each others lights out and have done with it.

    However we've all seen what happens when cyclists get punchy :)
  • specialgueststar
    specialgueststar Posts: 3,418
    gsk82 wrote:
    SpecialGuestStar wrote:
    jam1e wrote:
    Presumably you’ve proof he deliberately pushed him off?

    I don't need to its with the police

    Bit coincidental don't you think?

    Even Reichenbach doesn't know he was pushed off. The allegations were based on a team helper telling him that someone had told him it happened.

    I think Reichenbach would know if he had been pushed off his bike - would you - or was it a gust of wind?
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,470
    SpecialGuestStar wrote:
    gsk82 wrote:
    SpecialGuestStar wrote:
    jam1e wrote:
    Presumably you’ve proof he deliberately pushed him off?

    I don't need to its with the police

    Bit coincidental don't you think?

    Even Reichenbach doesn't know he was pushed off. The allegations were based on a team helper telling him that someone had told him it happened.

    I think Reichenbach would know if he had been pushed off his bike - would you - or was it a gust of wind?

    Well he didn't so I guess that solves this mystery
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,786
    The Reichenbach case lost it's teeth when AG2R failed to come up with the evidence they said they'd got, whatever that was.
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  • specialgueststar
    specialgueststar Posts: 3,418
    gsk82 wrote:
    SpecialGuestStar wrote:
    gsk82 wrote:
    SpecialGuestStar wrote:
    jam1e wrote:
    Presumably you’ve proof he deliberately pushed him off?

    I don't need to its with the police

    Bit coincidental don't you think?

    Even Reichenbach doesn't know he was pushed off. The allegations were based on a team helper telling him that someone had told him it happened.

    I think Reichenbach would know if he had been pushed off his bike - would you - or was it a gust of wind?

    Well he didn't so I guess that solves this mystery

    are you sure ? “I will file a complaint against Gianni Moscon because he deliberately threw me to the ground,” Reichenbach told Swiss newspaper Le Nouvelliste.

    “It was deliberate, and several riders who were at the scene and are ready to testify in my favour. He deliberately threw himself at me. On a descent the accident could have had more serious consequences.”


    Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racin ... XZGu3iH.99
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 13,326
    SpecialGuestStar wrote:
    gsk82 wrote:
    SpecialGuestStar wrote:
    gsk82 wrote:
    SpecialGuestStar wrote:
    jam1e wrote:
    Presumably you’ve proof he deliberately pushed him off?

    I don't need to its with the police

    Bit coincidental don't you think?

    Even Reichenbach doesn't know he was pushed off. The allegations were based on a team helper telling him that someone had told him it happened.

    I think Reichenbach would know if he had been pushed off his bike - would you - or was it a gust of wind?

    Well he didn't so I guess that solves this mystery

    are you sure ? “I will file a complaint against Gianni Moscon because he deliberately threw me to the ground,” Reichenbach told Swiss newspaper Le Nouvelliste.

    “It was deliberate, and several riders who were at the scene and are ready to testify in my favour. He deliberately threw himself at me. On a descent the accident could have had more serious consequences.”


    Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racin ... XZGu3iH.99

    Doesn't seem like anyone was willing to testify after all. There was, however, testimony that no riders around the incident reacted to it in any way that suggested it was anything other than a guy crashing his bike.
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  • specialgueststar
    specialgueststar Posts: 3,418
    However CyclingTips understands that this is overstating the case, and that the UCI’s Disciplinary Commission was not able to determine innocence in the incident.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,542
    SpecialGuestStar wrote:
    However CyclingTips understands that this is overstating the case, and that the UCI’s Disciplinary Commission was not able to determine innocence in the incident.

    Surely the idea is that evidence needs to be found of guilt not innocence? Moscon seems a bit of an idiot but in this instance it seems there has been no provable case against him.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    SpecialGuestStar wrote:
    However CyclingTips understands that this is overstating the case, and that the UCI’s Disciplinary Commission was not able to determine innocence in the incident.

    And equally they were not able to determine guilt so... That's how these processes work on the presumption of innocence unless guilt is proven.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,599
    SpecialGuestStar wrote:
    However CyclingTips understands that this is overstating the case, and that the UCI’s Disciplinary Commission was not able to determine innocence in the incident.


    That's a cut of the article that avoids the context of the article, which is littered with tabloid-esque 'sources' such as 'we understand' and 'someone said'. Essentially, it means they have made it up. Its pathetic.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 13,326
    SpecialGuestStar wrote:
    However CyclingTips understands that this is overstating the case, and that the UCI’s Disciplinary Commission was not able to determine innocence in the incident.

    Aside from the presumption of innocence point made by others, I wouldn't trust anything that came out of that Shane Stokes infested rag further than I could spit it.
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