Leaving a bike on a kickstand for ages

ugo.santalucia

Tangled Metal wrote:

I'm glad you replied since you said it so much more eloquently than I would manage.

I guess in Ugo's world I'm either an outlier or badly brought up by bad parents. I've got two engineering degrees, allegedly highly intelligent, well brought up by educated and socially aware parents but have no interest in fixing bikes or cars or plumbing or anything like that. I've got better things to do with my time like walking, cycling, spending time with my family.

Doesn't mean I can't do it just don't want to. As a result I've got a good relationship with my local LBS and they do not charge me that much to fix / upgrade my bikes.

As far as being good at something by doing it really? I know kids who play football at every opportunity but are useless. I know ppl who have been engineers (technicians) but are useless at fixing bikes. Certainly wouldn't let them loose on my bike. It doesn't mean don't understand it just don't do a good job fixing it. Understanding doesn't make your work good IMHO.

Why do some ppl take the view that to enjoy riding bikes you must enjoy fixing and tinkering with them? Rubbish!

If you feel the need to explain why, despite your engineering background, you are not interested in fixing things, clearly it bothers you that patronising folks like myself don't respect you...

It shouldn't bother you... I am what I am and you are what you are... whether I respect you or not shouldn't be a problem, since we don't have a relationship...

I used to teach in a mech Eng department... sadly not many of our kids had a mech Eng mind and ended up getting jobs unrelated... finance etc. Others did and they were surprisingly clever at coming up with design solutions. It's a shame that mech eng degrees are not as "hands on" as they used to be... some developed the ability to create protoypes out of their ideas during their MEng project, many never did.

ugo.santalucia

Matthewfalle wrote:

Hand crafted organic hemp artisan made fixed gear little peaked hat to that man (beard optional).

As you are little more than background noise, at least learn how to write a sentence FFS

fat daddy

ugo.santalucia wrote:

It shouldn't bother you... I am what I am and you are what you are... whether I respect you or not shouldn't be a problem, since we don't have a relationship...

wow ... Pot Kettle Black !

this whole thread has become about how you cant cope with other people doing things differently to you, your agonising pain (thats how it comes across) that you make a thread about unscrewing a garmin and 2 people give a crap about but someone else starts a thread about lycra and like a popularity contest the whole board floods to it and joins in.

It shouldnt bother you, you are what you are .... but yet it does, your want for recognition, your want for people to follow your lead and do it your way.

I hope for your sake you dont use facebook or Strava, I think it might cause you problems

hopkinb

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Fixing things should be a natural instinct, typically nurtured by good parents. Even apes take an interest in how things work and attempt some basic engineering. Of course some weren't lucky and had bad parenting instead. They were entertained at Disneyland as opposed to educated. Controversially as it sounds, I have zero respect for people who don't take an interest in how things work and how they can be fixed when they stop working. Anyone who takes an interest, will end up being good at it.
Some might argue good parenting is also teaching respect for everybody and I would agree, but I've always been a bit stray.

Horses for courses

How the actual fcuk do you conflate good parenting with fixing a fcuking pushbike? What a patronising little sh!t.

Matthewfalle

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Hand crafted organic hemp artisan made fixed gear little peaked hat to that man (beard optional).

As you are little more than background noise, at least learn how to write a sentence FFS

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh - sweaty Betty. Oh don't be angry Ugo - it only makes you ugly inside.

haydenm

Tangled Metal wrote:

I know ppl who have been engineers (technicians) but are useless at fixing bikes. Certainly wouldn't let them loose on my bike.

That doesn't surprise me in the slightest, in my experience (engineering friends and my ex-engineer dad 'trying to help') I have found that bike mechanic work and engineers are almost entirely incompatible. Knowing how to design a jet engine or fix a nuclear power plant aren't as applicable as you'd think for fannying about with miniature tools and fragile components...

Apologies to any engineers here, my experience is limited to about 4 people

Matthewfalle

I actually didn't want to say it, but it seems that Ugo's opinion of all facets and the majority of the people on this forum is extremely low, so it does beggar the question ......................

Matthewfalle

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Hand crafted organic hemp artisan made fixed gear little peaked hat to that man (beard optional).

As you are little more than background noise, at least learn how to write a sentence FFS

Anyhow, considering your recent failure to have an article published in the local paper (you live In The Midlands, so I'm guessing somewhere hipster Shoreditch away from Shoreditch cool like Market Harborough or Lutterworth) perhaps it's not me who can't write a sentence.........

Shame you couldn't buy that new Ultegra groupset - perhaps you could get an old one and rebuild it. Like a cycling Steve Austin...

pblakeney

Tangled Metal wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Upgrade to a silver one.

I brushed it riding through a bit of long grass and ice just found out it's a silver chain with grey big chain ring. Guess it needs a clean. Think I will upgrade to black in future.

Nah. Silver. Replace when they go black.
100% guaranteed wear indicator.

Matthewfalle

PBlakeney wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Upgrade to a silver one.

I brushed it riding through a bit of long grass and ice just found out it's a silver chain with grey big chain ring. Guess it needs a clean. Think I will upgrade to black in future.

Nah. Silver. Replace when they go black.
100% guaranteed wear indicator.

Gold for bling factor?

rumbataz

Bikes are for riding and/or making them look pretty. I pay people to fix my bikes. Why bark if you have a dog? Although, having said that, I did pump up my tyres all by myself this morning and I managed to put the right nozzle into the Schrader valve (I got it wrong a few days ago and gave up). Do I get a medal for this engineering achievement?

The way this _extremely_ popular hijacked thread has gone just cracks me up.

pblakeney

Matthewfalle wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Upgrade to a silver one.

I brushed it riding through a bit of long grass and ice just found out it's a silver chain with grey big chain ring. Guess it needs a clean. Think I will upgrade to black in future.

Nah. Silver. Replace when they go black.
100% guaranteed wear indicator.

Gold for bling factor?

Only if gold matches the rest of your bike.
In which case, crack on!

tangled_metal

hopkinb wrote:

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Fixing things should be a natural instinct, typically nurtured by good parents. Even apes take an interest in how things work and attempt some basic engineering. Of course some weren't lucky and had bad parenting instead. They were entertained at Disneyland as opposed to educated. Controversially as it sounds, I have zero respect for people who don't take an interest in how things work and how they can be fixed when they stop working. Anyone who takes an interest, will end up being good at it.
Some might argue good parenting is also teaching respect for everybody and I would agree, but I've always been a bit stray.

Horses for courses

How the actual fcuk do you conflate good parenting with fixing a fcuking pushbike? What a patronising little sh!t.

Brutally honest! Will Ugo answer your question?

Matthewfalle

nah. It's below him.

As Ugo said in the other thread - he was only throwing the pigs some rotten vegetables.....

Nice.

ugo.santalucia

Guys, I am just trying to keep the thread going... it was getting stale and boring and in need of a radically new approach to outrage. Anything goes we agreed, so why not patronising mother-fuxxers? What's wrong with trolls?

I am glad the OP also keeps fuelling it with new astonishing revelations about his revived Schraner affair.

Matthewfalle

Errr - no.

You just got on your single speed Hoxton wannabe high horse and got all offensive - now you're trying to dig yourself out of it.

And you still haven't answered H3's question.

hopkinb

I think he was deliberately trolling. I was a bit grumpy this morning. :oops:

veronese68

Part of me agrees with Ugo's post, although not quite as extreme. More importantly, if people are too incompetent to fix their own bikes I can get paid in beer for helping them. ;-)

tangled_metal

HaydenM wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

I know ppl who have been engineers (technicians) but are useless at fixing bikes. Certainly wouldn't let them loose on my bike.

That doesn't surprise me in the slightest, in my experience (engineering friends and my ex-engineer dad 'trying to help') I have found that bike mechanic work and engineers are almost entirely incompatible. Knowing how to design a jet engine or fix a nuclear power plant aren't as applicable as you'd think for fannying about with miniature tools and fragile components...

Apologies to any engineers here, my experience is limited to about 4 people

But you're an engineer! I bet you can fix my car. Yes but not because I'm a civil engineer. Conversation I imagine my old man having when ppl found out he's a chartered engineer.

Funny thing is he could fix your bike If he wanted to but he doesn't want to neither. He could fix your car but he doesn't want to so he won't. He could plaster your wall, repair your toaster and do a number of things around the house and garage. But he doesn't want to and there's nothing wrong with that.

ugo.santalucia

Matthewfalle wrote:

Errr - no.

You just got on your single speed Hoxton wannabe high horse and got all offensive - now you're trying to dig yourself out of it.

And you still haven't answered H3's question.

Maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong.... who knows how much of the above I think and how much I made up... who cares anyway? You can always report me just in case... with a bit of luck I'll get a ban and the forum will lose a bit more technical knowledge.
Speaking of which... lots of folks with tricky questions on Campagnolo and we used to have one of the approved Campagnolo centres on board (Velotech)... haven't seen any of their posts in a couple of years... maybe he realised it is a waste of time to post on a forum where people are not that interested in getting things fixed.

Matthewfalle

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Errr - no.

You just got on your single speed Hoxton wannabe high horse and got all offensive - now you're trying to dig yourself out of it.

And you still haven't answered H3's question.

Maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong.... who knows how much of the above I think and how much I made up... who cares anyway? You can always report me just in case... with a bit of luck I'll get a ban and the forum will lose a bit more technical knowledge.
Speaking of which... lots of folks with tricky questions on Campagnolo and we used to have one of the approved Campagnolo centres on board (Velotech)... haven't seen any of their posts in a couple of years... maybe he realised it is a waste of time to post on a forum where people are not that interested in getting things fixed.

Or not that interested in buying Campagnolo.

One of the two options I suppose.

hopkinb

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Errr - no.

You just got on your single speed Hoxton wannabe high horse and got all offensive - now you're trying to dig yourself out of it.

And you still haven't answered H3's question.

Maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong.... who knows how much of the above I think and how much I made up... who cares anyway? You can always report me just in case... with a bit of luck I'll get a ban and the forum will lose a bit more technical knowledge.
Speaking of which... lots of folks with tricky questions on Campagnolo and we used to have one of the approved Campagnolo centres on board (Velotech)... haven't seen any of their posts in a couple of years... maybe he realised it is a waste of time to post on a forum where people are not that interested in getting things fixed.

Everyone has to get things fixed, chains wear out, cassettes wear out, bottom brackets & cables need replacing, rotors/pads need replacing. That's fixing stuff, or rather maintenance I suppose, and I do it myself. Other stuff will get outsourced as I don't think the investment in tools & time is worth it and I'm a bit cack-handed. Some people like thinking about the mechanicals, some don't. It's not a character flaw. It's a choice about how they spend their time and money. I do cryptic crosswords for fun, most people would rather boil their nuts in oil than do that.

However, the idea that a bike left on a kick stand will fall foul of strange forces which will b*gger up the components on that bike is, as you may or may not have said several pages ago, b0ll0x.

ugo.santalucia

Matthewfalle wrote:

Or not that interested in buying Campagnolo.

One of the two options I suppose.

Don't think they sell... it's a service centre... they'll repair shifters, wheels and whatnot. Plenty of workshop questions that could benefit from a more "official" Campagnolo approach.
Do you think the level of workshop expertise on here is the same as it was 3 years ago or do you agree with me it has gone down?

shortfall

I've had a bit of help from Graeme FK at Velotech via email in my time. Shame he's not on here anymore. My two cents, we should look after the techie people on the forum. 99% of posters here could leave and it would be of no consequence to me (no offence to any individual) but if some of the people either in the trade or ex trade or those mechanically minded left then it would be a poorer place as far as I'm concerned.

ugo.santalucia

... and the frame builders... I think Mark Winks managed to set up his commercial frame building business (Lockside), but the site is no longer working... no idea what happened, ha hasn't posted on here in years... a great shame as his advice was invaluable when it came to frame geometry and such...

bondurant

Graeme still posts - very occasionally - on WW but from what I read I think time is the issue for him rather than it being demeaning or a waste of time to carry on posting on, for example, BR. He only ever posted on tech threads anyway so it's not like he exposed himself to kickstand action and got depressed with how the forum was going.

ugo.santalucia

Bondurant wrote:

Graeme still posts - very occasionally - on WW but from what I read I think time is the issue for him rather than it being demeaning or a waste of time to carry on posting on, for example, BR. He only ever posted on tech threads anyway so it's not like he exposed himself to kickstand action and got depressed with how the forum was going.

Time is limited, he prefers to post on WW... which is what I am pointing out at... a forum with less audience but more technical knowledge.

Matthewfalle

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Do you think the level of workshop expertise on here is the same as it was 3 years ago or do you agree with me it has gone down?

Yup - agree 100%

I think The forum has changed completely to tell the truth - years ago there was a group of people (you, me, Malcolm, The V Man, Pinno, Seano, Yossie, a few others) who knew/know our stuff and would post regularly in the workshop section. All questions would be answered quickly, politely, a bit of fun - we would back each other up, support or discuss alternative views in a polite/witty way and it was really nice.

Cake Stop was cool, BB came along and all was well.

Look at the experience we had - you with your bits, me as ex Cat 1 racer, ex bike shop chief mechanic and assist manager, Malcolm with his bits to name a few - generally we know what we are talking about and have been done and done that.

It then changed - you had new people come along who are members of clubs and follow, for some reason, a mantra of "you gave to earn x'y'z" - the replacement CaAD 8 wheels thread is a perfect example: instead of following the Aksium/Fulcrum 4 time tired route, perhaps go for something completely alternative that is cheaper, cooler, performs better. Oh no, get the slagging out.

Now there are 4 groups - Bracketeers (including some really nice new guys such as H3), the Po Face gang who do whatever they do, clubbies who Zwift but fail to realise that it's only bicycling and having been a member of Lutterworth Velo for 18 months isn't really that great and the utterly vile user.

I must admit that I have now stopped taking this place seriously - I treat it as a pub - pop in, have a bit of banter, if I feel I can be bothered I'll offer some advice.

The questions in workshop have all been answered a million times so I figure people can do a quick search but if I like the cut of your jib I'll help out.

I appreciate where you're coming from but as a 43 year old Army trauma specialist I don't deal with being patronised very well, to say the least.

its not a case of leaving, it's just a case of not getting upset by it but rather just viewing i for what it is and saving yourself for those you really want to help - in my case the Bracketeers, the dude on Dirk's thread and Ludo with the cool blue and yellow bike.

ugo.santalucia

Matthewfalle wrote:

I appreciate where you're coming from but as a 43 year old Army trauma specialist I don't deal with being patronised very well, to say the least.

I figured out you were a lot older than that...

Matthewfalle

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

I appreciate where you're coming from but as a 43 year old Army trauma specialist I don't deal with being patronised very well, to say the least.

I figured out you were a lot older than that...

I just had a rubbish paper round - all uphill and against the wind. Sunday supplements every day ....