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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,834
    bianchimoon wrote:
    well said Lookyhere, some people just don't get what democracy and freedom are, we know for a fact that the brexiteers/nationalists would be the last to accept the result of a referendum if it went the other way :wink:
    It would appear that Brexiteers and Remainers have something in common then.
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  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,872
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    bianchimoon wrote:
    well said Lookyhere, some people just don't get what democracy and freedom are, we know for a fact that the brexiteers/nationalists would be the last to accept the result of a referendum if it went the other way :wink:
    It would appear that Brexiteers and Remainers have something in common then.
    Yes, that's the funniest thing about it. Before the result leavers were saying it would be unfinished business if they lost narrowly, the petition for a second referendum was started by a leave campaigner that then sulked because his petition was hijacked (diddums, poor little lamb couldn't take his ball back). Whilst its' frowned upon in the general population most people in politics seem to have no problem with total hypocrisy.
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  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    Veronese68 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    bianchimoon wrote:
    well said Lookyhere, some people just don't get what democracy and freedom are, we know for a fact that the brexiteers/nationalists would be the last to accept the result of a referendum if it went the other way :wink:
    It would appear that Brexiteers and Remainers have something in common then.
    Yes, that's the funniest thing about it. Before the result leavers were saying it would be unfinished business if they lost narrowly, the petition for a second referendum was started by a leave campaigner that then sulked because his petition was hijacked (diddums, poor little lamb couldn't take his ball back). Whilst its' frowned upon in the general population most people in politics seem to have no problem with total hypocrisy.
    I was trying to think of the word that summed it up, you hit it..'hypocrisy'
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    I expect a lot of Britons will vote for the Tories, despite being remainers and despite in words despising Theresa May and her stance on Brexit... which is fine... the very sad thing is that they will vote Tories because they would be embarrassed to see a minority party getting a sizeble chunk of votes... I hope instead they take inspiration from the French, who have shown the mid finger to the traditional parties... whether it's UKIP, LibDem or the Green party, it would be great to see an alternative to those two stale parties... the theatre of the past 10 months (on both sides) has been frankly pathetic
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  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    I expect a lot of Britons will vote for the Tories, despite being remainers and despite in words despising Theresa May and her stance on Brexit... which is fine... the very sad thing is that they will vote Tories because they would be embarrassed to see a minority party getting a sizeble chunk of votes... I hope instead they take inspiration from the French, who have shown the mid finger to the traditional parties... whether it's UKIP, LibDem or the Green party, it would be great to see an alternative to those two stale parties... the theatre of the past 10 months (on both sides) has been frankly pathetic

    The BBC seem awfully keen on reporting the disastrous polls that look to be confirming a blue Wales and taking reporters to Wakefield to report on the swaps to the tories. But, it seems, no one wants to do a tour of blue remain areas. So the losses that labour has inflicted on itself, the correlation with brexit etc, all of those will perpetuate and increase.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,834
    bendertherobot wrote:
    The BBC seem awfully keen on reporting the disastrous polls that look to be confirming a blue Wales and taking reporters to Wakefield to report on the swaps to the tories.
    Some people don't see that as disastrous at all :wink:
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  • wallace_and_gromit
    wallace_and_gromit Posts: 3,696
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Why did they contest and appeal it?
    No idea.
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Would have been a lot quicker to have put the necessary Bill through Parliament.
    Agreed.
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    The BBC seem awfully keen on reporting the disastrous polls that look to be confirming a blue Wales and taking reporters to Wakefield to report on the swaps to the tories.
    Some people don't see that as disastrous at all :wink:
    Nowt so blind as folk.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,834
    bendertherobot wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    The BBC seem awfully keen on reporting the disastrous polls that look to be confirming a blue Wales and taking reporters to Wakefield to report on the swaps to the tories.
    Some people don't see that as disastrous at all :wink:
    Nowt so blind as folk.
    Yeah yeah. It's not really going to affect the overall result - question is how big the tory majority will be, despite the delusional/not wanting to look beaten already type statements about forming governments or coalitions by Corbyn and Wee Jimmy Krankie.
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  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    I find this worrying.....

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 89801.html

    any suspicion that we are having this election to avoid bye-elections and to circumvent the law, by ANY party is damaging to democracy, these expenses laws are their for good reason.

    TMay saying that she needs a larger majority to appear strong during brexit negotiations is surely b0ll0x, there is no opposition to brexit in the 'commons, infact, having a larger majority will mean more mp's will feel able to speak out.
    the eu dont give a stuff what majority the tories have, which myself and steve can agree will be more than 50 :(
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Decision to have snap election is, shockingly, political.

    Who knew Mamba, who knew?
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  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Kind of surprised at just how strong the polls are for the Tories in Scotland. To poll double that of Labour in Scotland would have been unthinkable 10 years ago.

    Goes to show just how quickly Scottish voters have turned against Labour in recent years.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,599
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    I expect a lot of Britons will vote for the Tories, despite being remainers and despite in words despising Theresa May and her stance on Brexit... which is fine... the very sad thing is that they will vote Tories because they would be embarrassed to see a minority party getting a sizeble chunk of votes... I hope instead they take inspiration from the French, who have shown the mid finger to the traditional parties... whether it's UKIP, LibDem or the Green party, it would be great to see an alternative to those two stale parties... the theatre of the past 10 months (on both sides) has been frankly pathetic

    The problem is none of those really offer up something attractive to me either. At face value I like some Green policies but then you look at their economic policy and it would be disastrous - they're a probably as far, if not further, left than Corbyn. UKIP are there for those who find the Tories a bit too left wing. I'm a proud Welshman and as a teenager I would have voted for independence but now I don't see any way Wales could survive financially as a standalone nation. Therefore voting Plaid would be pointless and again their general policies are pushing towards far left. So that leaves the Lib Dems who aren't really a minority party anyway and their policies change so much it's hard to know what they stand for. I could be persuaded to vote for them if they make the right noises but at present the Tories are the closest to representing my views whilst at the same time there's a lot of policy I don't like and they are at fault for causing Brexit (I also feel they are going further right when I'd like them to be more centrist).

    To sum it up, there's no-one I feel really represents the slightly right of centre territory where my own views lie. I might just vote spoiled ballot paper!
  • slowbike
    slowbike Posts: 8,498
    Well - I've just found out that the (Tory) MP in our area is standing down -I doubt that'll make any difference to the outcome of this seat as - like in other constinencies - you could put a blue badge on a dead rat and they'd vote it in ...

    Can't say I like any of the other parties overall policies any better ... it seems to be a dammed if you do, dammed if you don't choice. Might go for one of the minorities - just to give them a boost ... :)
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,821
    Not surprisingly, Open Britain's attempt to jump on the tactical voting bandwagon has backfired with Doubly, Grieve and Morgan not unreasonably saying that they can't support attacks on fellow Conservatives. Presumably Labour members feel equally awkward about going after Hoey. Not very well thought through.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Think we'll find that after all that, however divisive brexit was (or felt), most people didn't really give a sh!t but were asked to vote one way or the other and so they did.

    Will be back to voting along party lines.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,821
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Think we'll find that after all that, however divisive brexit was (or felt), most people didn't really give a sh!t but were asked to vote one way or the other and so they did.

    Will be back to voting along party lines.
    That was broadly the conclusion in that Owen Jones piece the other day.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Fair enough. I tend to avoid the guy.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,821
    Just seen the headline "May woos voters in Welsh Labour heartlands with vow to 'stop ducking' social care"

    So they have been ducking social care up to now?
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,821
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Fair enough. I tend to avoid the guy.
    Likewise but I managed the first couple of paragraphs.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    rjsterry wrote:
    Not surprisingly, Open Britain's attempt to jump on the tactical voting bandwagon has backfired with Doubly, Grieve and Morgan not unreasonably saying that they can't support attacks on fellow Conservatives. Presumably Labour members feel equally awkward about going after Hoey. Not very well thought through.

    I fail to understand what they thought was likely to happen other than campaigning against brexit supporting Tories.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Might as well have some fun and record the blunders here.

    Theresa May first off the mark in a classic Bushism: "We want to lead the world in preventing tourism."

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-m ... ism-2017-4

    No where near the cringe fest scale that was Cameron realising he got the wrong football team or Ed Miliband's tough enough chat
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  • Lookyhere
    Lookyhere Posts: 987
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Might as well have some fun and record the blunders here.

    Theresa May first off the mark in a classic Bushism: "We want to lead the world in preventing tourism."

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-m ... ism-2017-4

    No where near the cringe fest scale that was Cameron realising he got the wrong football team or Ed Miliband's tough enough chat

    Classic fcuk up..... but given her isolationist stance, maybe this is what she did indeed mean to say?

    Of course any Welsh company could have been selling to almost any market across the globe without a trade deal, just as you can buy LOOK bikes and pedals in Singapore, Audi's in New Zealand or the UK's ARM exports world wide.

    Pro Brexit May is talking even more rubbish.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Might as well have some fun and record the blunders here.

    Theresa May first off the mark in a classic Bushism: "We want to lead the world in preventing tourism."

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-m ... ism-2017-4

    No where near the cringe fest scale that was Cameron realising he got the wrong football team or Ed Miliband's tough enough chat

    She was in Bridgend.
  • dinyull
    dinyull Posts: 2,979
    Corbyn will only do TV debate's if TM is involved.

    Bit of an opening allowed by May and Jez decides not to take it.

    What's he playing at?

    Fight starts n............on the 9th June :x
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    Dinyull wrote:
    Corbyn will only do TV debate's if TM is involved.

    Bit of an opening allowed by May and Jez decides not to take it.

    What's he playing at?

    Fight starts n............on the 9th June :x

    Maybe someone's realised who might win in a straight fight between Corbyn and an empty chair.
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    Dinyull wrote:
    Corbyn will only do TV debate's if TM is involved.

    Bit of an opening allowed by May and Jez decides not to take it.

    What's he playing at?

    Fight starts n............on the 9th June :x

    un- fcuking-believable!

    a chance in a million to put labours message across, without being shot down by TM and he says NO and to make the voters wonder why May isnt there with an empty chair...
    hate to say it but stevo was spot on when he started that thread a while back.

    is JC a secret tory?
  • dinyull
    dinyull Posts: 2,979
    I totally accept he/they have no chance in winning anyway, but it was a great opportunity for him to put the spotlight on the Tories without TM shooting back "last labour govt" over and over again.

    It's like they don't want to win. Is that their/his gameplan? Wait till Brexit, and campaign on the back of things getting tough thanks to that? Having said that, he's fully behind the will of the people so probably not.
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Dinyull wrote:
    I totally accept he/they have no chance in winning anyway, but it was a great opportunity for him to put the spotlight on the Tories without TM shooting back "last labour govt" over and over again.

    It's like they don't want to win. Is that their/his gameplan? Wait till Brexit, and campaign on the back of things getting tough thanks to that? Having said that, he's fully behind the will of the people so probably not.

    I think Labours plan may well be to let TM get on with absolutely ****ing it up before emerging from the ashes of Brexit. At which point they'll be able to say, yea last labour government overspent (and had to bail the tory's best friends, the bankers, out). But last Tory government took us out of the worlds biggest trading block because they were scared of giving away votes to a party full of closet racists and swivel eyed loons.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    Jez mon wrote:
    Dinyull wrote:
    I totally accept he/they have no chance in winning anyway, but it was a great opportunity for him to put the spotlight on the Tories without TM shooting back "last labour govt" over and over again.

    It's like they don't want to win. Is that their/his gameplan? Wait till Brexit, and campaign on the back of things getting tough thanks to that? Having said that, he's fully behind the will of the people so probably not.

    I think Labours plan may well be to let TM get on with absolutely ****ing it up before emerging from the ashes of Brexit. At which point they'll be able to say, yea last labour government overspent (and had to bail the tory's best friends, the bankers, out). But last Tory government took us out of the worlds biggest trading block because they were scared of giving away votes to a party full of closet racists and swivel eyed loons.

    Then why the hell vote for a snap election now on her terms??

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