CMS hearings into the alleged culture of doping and bullying at British Cycling

Richmond Racer 2

Jaysus, can this shoot just stop for a bit

Its non-stop bleeding sensationalist dramarama since last Oct

slim_boy_fat

Lizzie speaks on twatter.

https://twitter.com/lizziedeignan/statu ... 2250553344

blazing_saddles

Slim Boy Fat wrote:

Lizzie speaks on twatter.

https://twitter.com/lizziedeignan/statu ... 2250553344

In response, while the Guardian's headline remains unaltered, they have now changed the bullet point order so that the bedroom allegation is once removed.

Pross

Slim Boy Fat wrote:

Lizzie speaks on twatter.

https://twitter.com/lizziedeignan/statu ... 2250553344

Good on her. I've never been her biggest fan but she's got where she is mainly ploughing her own route. Goes to show the levels journalists will go to in order to jump on a bandwagon.

I'd suggest BC are a bastion of equality in comparison to the professional road scene even if half of the allegations against them are true.

Pross

I'm a bit confused about the comment regarding the coach not being there on the day of the race. For one thing I'm not sure what a coach can offer once the race has started but I also thought the junior men raced immediately before the women so I don't get the prioritisation on the day. Surely the coach's role is more about ensuring those who have finished warm down properly and look after themselves and you would also expect juniors to need more supervision than an experienced pro surely? I couldn't work out if the helmet issue related to BC or a pro team though. I'm not sure how it works on the road but on the track male and female riders get custom kit from what I've heard.

RichN95.

Pross wrote:

I couldn't work out if the helmet issue related to BC or a pro team though. I'm not sure how it works on the road but on the track male and female riders get custom kit from what I've heard.

Have a look at any photo of a GB road team and you'll see they're wearing their trade team helmets (2012 Olympics excepted). Remember Cavenidish had a plastic cover for his when he won the Worlds as Specialized didn't make a vent-free helmet. Armitstead won the world's with a Boels Dolman helmet (as this photo shows) while the rest of the team had an array of makes



Meanwhile, the junior women all have the same BC issue helmet

Pross

I suspect the biggest problem with that Guardian article is they have just taken a load of incidents from the book and chucked them into the article with no context to explain what part of her career they refer to. The Richmond comment about the coach is obviously a BC issue, the others seem pretty generic but the way they follow on from the coach issue makes it sound like they are all BC related. I can't work out if that's deliberate by someone coming late to the show and wanting to make an impact or just poor quality journalism from laziness and / or not really understanding the sport.

RichN95.

Pross wrote:

I suspect the biggest problem with that Guardian article is they have just taken a load of incidents from the book and chucked them into the article with no context to explain what part of her career they refer to. The Richmond comment about the coach is obviously a BC issue, the others seem pretty generic but the way they follow on from the coach issue makes it sound like they are all BC related. I can't work out if that's deliberate by someone coming late to the show and wanting to make an impact or just poor quality journalism from laziness and / or not really understanding the sport.

It also says she was 19 at Cervelo. She joined aged 21. Simple fact checking

Richmond Racer 2

Ingle's shockingly lazy on the f a c t checking front

A few years ago he was wanging on in an article about Holy David, opining that if he was serious about anti-doping, he should talk to anti-doping agencies

I pointed out that not only had Millar spent considerable time talking with UKAD, he had also sat on WADA's Athletes Commission for the past few years, having been the first athlete with an ADRV to have been nominated to sit on the Commission (IIRC)...

RichN95.

Nothing to do with cycling, but this has to be the the best TUE ever (during US prohibition)

Pross

awavey

RichN95 wrote:

Pross wrote:

I suspect the biggest problem with that Guardian article is they have just taken a load of incidents from the book and chucked them into the article with no context to explain what part of her career they refer to. The Richmond comment about the coach is obviously a BC issue, the others seem pretty generic but the way they follow on from the coach issue makes it sound like they are all BC related. I can't work out if that's deliberate by someone coming late to the show and wanting to make an impact or just poor quality journalism from laziness and / or not really understanding the sport.

It also says she was 19 at Cervelo. She joined aged 21. Simple fact checking

theyve corrected that since, it now says a team she doesnt want to name, but a simple fact check shows she was on the Team Halfords Bikehut roster when she was 19 8)

awavey

RichN95 wrote:

Have a look at any photo of a GB road team and you'll see they're wearing their trade team helmets (2012 Olympics excepted). Remember Cavenidish had a plastic cover for his when he won the Worlds as Specialized didn't make a vent-free helmet. Armitstead won the world's with a Boels Dolman helmet (as this photo shows) while the rest of the team had an array of makes

Meanwhile, the junior women all have the same BC issue helmet]

that is by 2015 though, they have actually cottoned on to providing the womens teams with their own kit thesedays, its not like Nicole having to get Emma to stitch the Sky logo on to her skinsuit level of 2008'ness



so the helmet issue in the book is most likely from the same era

yourpaceormine

I imagine the junior women have matching helmets as they are/were all on the Olympic programme (or whatever they call it). I'm guessing that the junior men would be similar. If you take a look at the senior men's squad for that year, one would expect them to be wearing their trade team lids too. If they have matching BC lids then it would be right and proper to kick up a fuss.


Cav's aero helmet cover was made by Rob Hayles, not by BC. It may well have been suggested by BC, I don't know.

RichN95.

yourpaceormine wrote:

I imagine the junior women have matching helmets as they are/were all on the Olympic programme (or whatever they call it). I'm guessing that the junior men would be similar. If you take a look at the senior men's squad for that year, one would expect them to be wearing their trade team lids too. If they have matching BC lids then it would be right and proper to kick up a fuss.


Cav's aero helmet cover was made by Rob Hayles, not by BC. It may well have been suggested by BC, I don't know.

My point was that riders use their own helmets when riding for GB. So the helmet borrowing story was probably Cervelo.

Vino'sGhost

DeVlaeminck wrote:

SPaM02 wrote:

Not sure if this should go in this thread, but partly relevant:

Athletics Boss believes GB focuses too much on marginal medals such as track cycling.

"We need a grown-up debate about the value of one extra marginal medal, out of the many Britain wins, versus the ability to fund an aspirant sport like basketball, which is hugely important internationally and could have enormous participation value," said Warner, who is stepping down this year after a decade in charge at UK Athletics."

Completely missing the point that cycling has inspired thousands of the public off their a*ses and doing exercise (since BC Olympic success in 2008).

I'm sure that Basketball will have the same affect!



However, speaking at the same conference British Olympic Association chief executive Bill Sweeney said any debate should not lose sight of the importance of winning medals.

"The last thing we want is you go through all the various governance issues, and tick all the boxes, and end up with such a squeaky clean system that people are afraid to challenge an athlete and we come away from Tokyo ninth in the medal table," he said.

I think ninth might be wishful thinking!

I think the athletics boss is correct. If Olympic medals contribute to increased participation in sport (and I think the extent to which it does can be over estimated) then surely just having a team at the Olympics might do the same - if a bronze medal gets people off the sofa how would a 4th, 5th or 15th not do the same at least to some extent ?

Also we need to look at the potential different sports have to engage people. I don't know anyone who has gone out and bought a gun, horse and pair of trainers after watching modern pentathlon, I'd hazard a guess that virtually the only people who take up that sport do so with an eye on becoming internationals. Basketball however has potential to engage a lot of people, both sexes and I suspect in some more disadvantaged communities where asking daddy for a pony might not be common.

All that said I've just come back from walking the dogs on the playing fields my daughter is due to play on tomorrow - they are more akin to a sheep field than a football pitch - without decent affordable facilities what is the point.

Why in the name of Christ are you walking your dog on the field where your daughter plays sport?????????????

Vino'sGhost

RichN95 wrote:

Nothing to do with cycling, but this has to be the the best TUE ever (during US prohibition)

Hahahah best post in this entire thread

DeVlaeminck

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Why in the name of Christ are you walking your dog on the field where your daughter plays sport?????????????

I was combining exercising the dog with inspecting the pitch to assess the likelihood of the game going ahead.

I presume you are suggesting that it is some kind of health risk - which is hysterical in both senses of the word.

Dorset_Boy

DeVlaeminck wrote:

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Why in the name of Christ are you walking your dog on the field where your daughter plays sport?????????????

I was combining exercising the dog with inspecting the pitch to assess the likelihood of the game going ahead.

I presume you are suggesting that it is some kind of health risk - which is hysterical in both senses of the word.

Seriously? :shock:
There are plenty of reasons why dogs and sports pitches do not mix and why many, many sports clubs ban dogs from their fields. Fine, walk the dog to the field, but please do not let the dog onto the playing surface or the surrounds.

DeVlaeminck

Dorset Boy wrote:

DeVlaeminck wrote:

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Why in the name of Christ are you walking your dog on the field where your daughter plays sport?????????????

I was combining exercising the dog with inspecting the pitch to assess the likelihood of the game going ahead.

I presume you are suggesting that it is some kind of health risk - which is hysterical in both senses of the word.

Seriously? :shock:
There are plenty of reasons why dogs and sports pitches do not mix and why many, many sports clubs ban dogs from their fields. Fine, walk the dog to the field, but please do not let the dog onto the playing surface or the surrounds.

Are you really shocked ? What is the health risk exactly ? A dog walking over a pitch is going to transmit what disease - I'm not letting them sh it on the grass obviously.

These pitches are on a public park - in fact they make up most of the open space there - it's a mixed use space not a dedicated sports ground though most sports grounds I've visited that aren't schools do allow dogs - the match we played yesterday which was a dedicated sports ground in Southwell the ref turned up with a labrador and walked it across the pitch and nobody cared.

Dorset_Boy

Glad you are able to control exactly where your dog poos.
In my dog owning experience that doesn't happen.

kingstongraham

In my dog owning experience, you generally know how many times they are going to need to go, and once they're done, it's all clear.

This thread has gone on a bit of a ramble in the absence of news.

RichN95.

KingstonGraham wrote:

In my dog owning experience, you generally know how many times they are going to need to go, and once they're done, it's all clear.

This thread has gone on a bit of a ramble in the absence of news.

An MP says that this dog has many questions to answer and will be brought before the committee.

salsiccia1

Hat

DeVlaeminck

Dorset Boy wrote:

Glad you are able to control exactly where your dog poos.
In my dog owning experience that doesn't happen.

The Belgian only ever goes once on a walk, the Manchester sometimes twice but he's on a lead and you can tell when he wants to go because he'll sniff and circle round a bit plus without putting you off your lunch his bum will bulge a bit. in any case I carry bags should ever my luck fail.

I really can't see the health risk given millions of kids live with dogs and presumably use their gardens. Probably more health risk from pollution created if I got in my car and drove them somewhere in the countryside.

bobmcstuff

Also one assumes these fields are covered in fox, badger and bird sh1t anyway.

Mad_Malx

RichN95 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

In my dog owning experience, you generally know how many times they are going to need to go, and once they're done, it's all clear.

This thread has gone on a bit of a ramble in the absence of news.

An MP says that this dog has many questions to answer and will be brought before the committee.

Does he have a TUE for Drontal?

Rich again forcing me to come back to these threads for the LOL.

RichN95.

Mad_Malx wrote:

Does he have a TUE for Drontal?

Rich again forcing me to come back to these threads for the LOL.

I don't like to cast aspertions, but she seemed happier at Katusha. (It's Ben Swift's dog BTW)

slim_boy_fat

bobmcstuff wrote:

Also one assumes these fields are covered in fox, badger and bird sh1t anyway.

There is a specific issue with dog crap (and fox for that matter, although foxes are unlikely to crap out in the open) whereby if a parasitic worm commonly found in dog crap gets into your eye it can lead to blindness. Think cat crap is also an issue.

Richmond Racer 2

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