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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited March 2022
    I guess the Russian equivalent would be

    "our artillery attacked Mariupol city centre successfully and the visually confirmed destruction is as follows

    - 3x 8 story pre-fab condominium from 1985 (2 destroyed, 1 collapsed)
    - 1x maternity hospital - built c.1965 (damaged)
    - 52x semi-detached 3 bedroom, built 1947 (39 damaged beyond repair, 10 destroyed, 3 partially damaged)

    etc

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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,546
    blazing_saddles said:

    Once upon a time, when Boris was foreign secretary, in a town called Salisbury…..

    https://mobile.twitter.com/mikeyjd1979/status/1504021071162486784?s=12

    Point of order, Salisbury isn't a town.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,546
    rick_chasey said:

    I guess the Russian equivalent would be

    "our artillery attacked Mariupol city centre successfully and the visually confirmed destruction is as follows

    - 3x 8 story pre-fab condominium from 1985 (2 destroyed, 1 collapsed)
    - 1x maternity hospital - built c.1965 (damaged)
    - 52x semi-detached 3 bedroom, built 1947 (39 damaged beyond repair, 10 destroyed, 3 partially damaged)

    etc

    Not sure you have your construction dates in the right order there Rick.
    but the point stands.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,289
    Destroying the area that you are liberalising seems a little contradictory though.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    kingstonian said:

    thegreatdivide said:


    The losses are racking up.
    breaks my heart. hope it hurts.

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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,271
    pblakeney said:

    Destroying the area that you are liberalising seems a little contradictory though.

    I think it's one of the few practical things left they can do: terrorise all the locals to leave. I guess the end game would be to repopulate with Russians and rebuild Soviet-style, having got their pliant buffer state as part of the ole USSR empire, and the agricultural land that goes with it.
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  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    briantrumpet said:

    I think it's one of the few practical things left they can do: terrorise all the locals to leave. I guess the end game would be to repopulate with Russians and rebuild Soviet-style, having got their pliant buffer state as part of the ole USSR empire, and the agricultural land that goes with it.

    In their dreams.

  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,271
    thegreatdivide said:

    briantrumpet said:

    I think it's one of the few practical things left they can do: terrorise all the locals to leave. I guess the end game would be to repopulate with Russians and rebuild Soviet-style, having got their pliant buffer state as part of the ole USSR empire, and the agricultural land that goes with it.

    In their dreams.


    Quite. But it's the only one they've got left.
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    pblakeney said:

    Destroying the area that you are liberalising seems a little contradictory though.

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    briantrumpet said:

    pblakeney said:

    Destroying the area that you are liberalising seems a little contradictory though.

    I think it's one of the few practical things left they can do: terrorise all the locals to leave. I guess the end game would be to repopulate with Russians and rebuild Soviet-style, having got their pliant buffer state as part of the ole USSR empire, and the agricultural land that goes with it.
    problem is, having destroyed it and the civpop leaving, it turns into FIBUA and the Russians are gonna get smashed all over the shop again, so its a losing situation.

    Also, it won't get repopulated as who wants to leave their friends and family to go and live in an ex war zone with no facilities or supplies and being hated by the entire world?

    it'd be like living in Alsager or Stoke. Well, maybe not that bad, but reallyshit nonetheless.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,722
    Dorset_Boy said:

    blazing_saddles said:

    Once upon a time, when Boris was foreign secretary, in a town called Salisbury…..

    https://mobile.twitter.com/mikeyjd1979/status/1504021071162486784?s=12

    Point of order, Salisbury isn't a town.
    Not with the flipping big cathedral, no.

    Anyhow it's another mind boggling exposure of greed fueled incompetence from the fat blond guy.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    As an aside, had an interesting discussion with a head of a refugee dept today re the UK - seems that its pretty far down the list of anyone wanting to go there due to several factors, not surprisingly Brexit, the Tory party, Patel in particular being two.

    Tbf, the Tories and their voters have done a good job when refugees fleeing a war zone don't even want to go to your country.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,877
    briantrumpet said:

    pblakeney said:

    Destroying the area that you are liberalising seems a little contradictory though.

    I think it's one of the few practical things left they can do: terrorise all the locals to leave. I guess the end game would be to repopulate with Russians and rebuild Soviet-style, having got their pliant buffer state as part of the ole USSR empire, and the agricultural land that goes with it.
    You think Russia needs a bit more land?
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    MattFalle said:

    pblakeney said:

    Destroying the area that you are liberalising seems a little contradictory though.

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    briantrumpet said:

    pblakeney said:

    Destroying the area that you are liberalising seems a little contradictory though.

    I think it's one of the few practical things left they can do: terrorise all the locals to leave. I guess the end game would be to repopulate with Russians and rebuild Soviet-style, having got their pliant buffer state as part of the ole USSR empire, and the agricultural land that goes with it.
    problem is, having destroyed it and the civpop leaving, it turns into FIBUA and the Russians are gonna get smashed all over the shop again, so its a losing situation.

    Also, it won't get repopulated as who wants to leave their friends and family to go and live in an ex war zone with no facilities or supplies and being hated by the entire world?

    it'd be like living in Alsager or Stoke. Well, maybe not that bad, but reallyshit nonetheless.
    Not heard FIBUA before but was surprised the Russians left anybody leave as having more civilians means a bigger drain on food, water and energy
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,271
    TheBigBean said:

    briantrumpet said:

    pblakeney said:

    Destroying the area that you are liberalising seems a little contradictory though.

    I think it's one of the few practical things left they can do: terrorise all the locals to leave. I guess the end game would be to repopulate with Russians and rebuild Soviet-style, having got their pliant buffer state as part of the ole USSR empire, and the agricultural land that goes with it.
    You think Russia needs a bit more land?

    What I think and what Putin thinks might not agree. Worth remembering how much of the world's food comes from Ukraine: that's leverage, if you want an empire.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Whilst it seems like the Ukranians have prepared for this for several years has anybody seen anything about how long their ammo is likely to last?
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    surrey_commuter said:

    MattFalle said:

    pblakeney said:

    Destroying the area that you are liberalising seems a little contradictory though.

    .
    briantrumpet said:

    pblakeney said:

    Destroying the area that you are liberalising seems a little contradictory though.

    I think it's one of the few practical things left they can do: terrorise all the locals to leave. I guess the end game would be to repopulate with Russians and rebuild Soviet-style, having got their pliant buffer state as part of the ole USSR empire, and the agricultural land that goes with it.
    problem is, having destroyed it and the civpop leaving, it turns into FIBUA and the Russians are gonna get smashed all over the shop again, so its a losing situation.

    Also, it won't get repopulated as who wants to leave their friends and family to go and live in an ex war zone with no facilities or supplies and being hated by the entire world?

    it'd be like living in Alsager or Stoke. Well, maybe not that bad, but reallyshit nonetheless.
    Not heard FIBUA before but was surprised the Russians left anybody leave as having more civilians means a bigger drain on food, water and energy
    Prior warning is part of LOAC.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    surrey_commuter said:

    Whilst it seems like the Ukranians have prepared for this for several years has anybody seen anything about how long their ammo is likely to last?

    As long as the Western powers keep supplying it and they keep nicking it from the Russians.

    Tbh, they probably have better supply lines than the Russians.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    MattFalle said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    Whilst it seems like the Ukranians have prepared for this for several years has anybody seen anything about how long their ammo is likely to last?

    As long as the Western powers keep supplying it and they keep nicking it from the Russians.

    Tbh, they probably have better supply lines than the Russians.
    Exactly this. They're getting so much kit from the Russians too. Practically left for them.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    MattFalle said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    Whilst it seems like the Ukranians have prepared for this for several years has anybody seen anything about how long their ammo is likely to last?

    As long as the Western powers keep supplying it and they keep nicking it from the Russians.

    Tbh, they probably have better supply lines than the Russians.
    for some reason I assumed that shipping the basics (bullets and shells) would be a major problem with roads and rail increasingly wrecked and the Russians on the lookout for convoys.

    As an enthusiastic amateur I am amazed and fascinated that this was not over in days and that the Ukranians have nearly fought them to a standstill in a conventional war despite being attacked on a very broad front.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    There's been some really sensitive stuff abandoned too. Jamming and snooping vehicles that will be on the back of a low loader and heading West to NATO as I type.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    surrey_commuter said:

    MattFalle said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    Whilst it seems like the Ukranians have prepared for this for several years has anybody seen anything about how long their ammo is likely to last?

    As long as the Western powers keep supplying it and they keep nicking it from the Russians.

    Tbh, they probably have better supply lines than the Russians.
    for some reason I assumed that shipping the basics (bullets and shells) would be a major problem with roads and rail increasingly wrecked and the Russians on the lookout for convoys.

    As an enthusiastic amateur I am amazed and fascinated that this was not over in days and that the Ukranians have nearly fought them to a standstill in a conventional war despite being attacked on a very broad front.
    they will be flying it in as well, arms dumps, across fields, etc. Local know how.

    they have advantage of knowing the land, seems Russian MI was pap from the outset and after the Ukranians took down all the road signs and the satellites were taken down and the fuckingidiots blew up all the 3,4 and 5G masts they are pretty lost.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,507
    thegreatdivide said:

    MattFalle said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    Whilst it seems like the Ukranians have prepared for this for several years has anybody seen anything about how long their ammo is likely to last?

    As long as the Western powers keep supplying it and they keep nicking it from the Russians.

    Tbh, they probably have better supply lines than the Russians.
    Exactly this. They're getting so much kit from the Russians too. Practically left for them.
    I stumbled across a video of a car workshop that was converting salvaged Russian PKT machine guns salvaged from abandoned tanks.
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Tbh, there's not really a con
    thegreatdivide said:

    There's been some really sensitive stuff abandoned too. Jamming and snooping vehicles that will be on the back of a low loader and heading West to NATO as I type.

    oh hell, yes.

    this has been technological nightmare for them.

    tbf though, its been filtering through that people are looking at some stuff and are surprised at how rubbish it is, which, tbf, explains a lot about their tactics.

    it won't be on a low liader though - plane comes in, thing goes on back of plane, plane flies off. no time to waste with low loaders.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,507
    MattFalle said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    MattFalle said:

    pblakeney said:

    Destroying the area that you are liberalising seems a little contradictory though.

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    briantrumpet said:

    pblakeney said:

    Destroying the area that you are liberalising seems a little contradictory though.

    I think it's one of the few practical things left they can do: terrorise all the locals to leave. I guess the end game would be to repopulate with Russians and rebuild Soviet-style, having got their pliant buffer state as part of the ole USSR empire, and the agricultural land that goes with it.
    problem is, having destroyed it and the civpop leaving, it turns into FIBUA and the Russians are gonna get smashed all over the shop again, so its a losing situation.

    Also, it won't get repopulated as who wants to leave their friends and family to go and live in an ex war zone with no facilities or supplies and being hated by the entire world?

    it'd be like living in Alsager or Stoke. Well, maybe not that bad, but reallyshit nonetheless.
    Not heard FIBUA before but was surprised the Russians left anybody leave as having more civilians means a bigger drain on food, water and energy
    Prior warning is part of LOAC.
    I've seen reports of Russian soldiers occupying a hospital in one of the southern cities and then trying to goad Ukrainian resistance into firing on the hospital. I don't think there is even lip service paid to laws.
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  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    Make that 17 helicopters lost in two days...

  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    There will be some who do, some who don't.

    Same in every army tbh.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    The Ka-52 is their version of the Apache - a very sh*t version of the Apache.
  • monkimark
    monkimark Posts: 1,926
    How much use is all of the captured Russian kit to the Ukranian army - could the average Ukranian tank driver/artillary man jump into an abandonned Russian tank/big gun and get to work?

    I've seen red letter day type 'drive a tank' experiences so I guess that the basics of getting around can be taught quite quickly but presumably it gets a bit more tricky if you want to use the gun or avoid getting blown up by the enemy?
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,877
    Could one of you explain the point of tanks to me? If the enemy has handheld devices that blow them up, they seem like sitting ducks to me.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    TheBigBean said:

    Could one of you explain the point of tanks to me? If the enemy has handheld devices that blow them up, they seem like sitting ducks to me.

    tbh, theres not a lot of point to them anymore which is why they aren't being developed any more.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.

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