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Quite a lot of newly qualified military strategists on twitter etc claiming the Russian campaign is going a lot better than our media are portraying.
Lots of talk about the Russian way being to encircle cities and create a siege or "cauldron" and then wait for that to degrade opposition forces that are trapped.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Interesting blog post from a professor of War Studies, who is to be on Question Time tomorrow night
https://samf.substack.com/p/giving-peace-a-chance?r=1czpwg&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Hand wringing about whether we should or shouldn't hand some planes to Ukraine in case Putin takes umbrage when he is bombing maternity hospitals seems a little grotesque.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile the war seems to have taken the darker turn we were expecting / fearing.
Sounds like massive civilian casualties and the Russians are using the terror of proper sieges (no food or water or electricity) and bombardement to try and break the spirit.
Various mass civilian graves. Awful1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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You think?rjsterry said:
Hand wringing about whether we should or shouldn't hand some planes to Ukraine in case Putin takes umbrage when he is bombing maternity hospitals seems a little grotesque.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile the war seems to have taken the darker turn we were expecting / fearing.
Sounds like massive civilian casualties and the Russians are using the terror of proper sieges (no food or water or electricity) and bombardement to try and break the spirit.
Various mass civilian graves. Awful
You don’t want an escalation beyond Ukraine, surely, unless you have enough evidence that will happen anyway.
US intelligence which had been accurate is saying delivering fighters risks a big escalation hence their reticence0 -
Do you not post in Cake Stop?ballysmate said:morstar said:
I do find it quite interesting that we were proactively tooling them up for weeks.ballysmate said:
Bet that gets well received on here.TheBigBean said:Ukrainians happy with the UK
https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/03/i-loathe-boris-johnson-but-ukrainians-love-him
I think Britain has been playing a long game in many areas that we’ll never fully appreciate.
How much of that is credit to Bojo is another matter.
First rule of Cake Stop - don't give BJ credit for anything.
Second rule of Cake Stop - See rule No 1.0 -
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Lavrov is meeting his Ukrainian counterpart today in Turkey, which will be the most senior Russia-Ukraine meeting since the war started. Don’t hold out much hope for a de-escalation as a result, but at least the two sides are talking.0
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At the same time, Russia can also wait for the sanctions, which become more effective the longer this drags on, to degrade their forces, plus a heck of a lot more besides.DeVlaeminck said:Quite a lot of newly qualified military strategists on twitter etc claiming the Russian campaign is going a lot better than our media are portraying.
Lots of talk about the Russian way being to encircle cities and create a siege or "cauldron" and then wait for that to degrade opposition forces that are trapped."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Since they are already prepared to bomb maternity hospitals and target children, what do you think the US mean by "a big escalation"?rick_chasey said:
You think?rjsterry said:
Hand wringing about whether we should or shouldn't hand some planes to Ukraine in case Putin takes umbrage when he is bombing maternity hospitals seems a little grotesque.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile the war seems to have taken the darker turn we were expecting / fearing.
Sounds like massive civilian casualties and the Russians are using the terror of proper sieges (no food or water or electricity) and bombardement to try and break the spirit.
Various mass civilian graves. Awful
You don’t want an escalation beyond Ukraine, surely, unless you have enough evidence that will happen anyway.
US intelligence which had been accurate is saying delivering fighters risks a big escalation hence their reticence
Chemical, biological, tactical or all 3?"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Chemical and/or biological would possibly be a step too far.blazing_saddles said:
Since they are already prepared to bomb maternity hospitals and target children, what do you think the US mean by "a big escalation"?rick_chasey said:
You think?rjsterry said:
Hand wringing about whether we should or shouldn't hand some planes to Ukraine in case Putin takes umbrage when he is bombing maternity hospitals seems a little grotesque.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile the war seems to have taken the darker turn we were expecting / fearing.
Sounds like massive civilian casualties and the Russians are using the terror of proper sieges (no food or water or electricity) and bombardement to try and break the spirit.
Various mass civilian graves. Awful
You don’t want an escalation beyond Ukraine, surely, unless you have enough evidence that will happen anyway.
US intelligence which had been accurate is saying delivering fighters risks a big escalation hence their reticence
Chemical, biological, tactical or all 3?
Extending past Ukraine would be the next step.
NATO is not going in to defend non-NATO countries.
Here's a thought though. Has the U.N. been proven to be useless?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Regarding sanctions, I recall hearing that Jaguar Land Rover announced they were pulling out of Russia but does anyone know if other car manufacturers have? I’d kinda hope the likes of Mercedes, BMW and VW Group are doing the same but haven’t heard any confirmation.0
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Have you heard of Google?kingstonian said:Regarding sanctions, I recall hearing that Jaguar Land Rover announced they were pulling out of Russia but does anyone know if other car manufacturers have? I’d kinda hope the likes of Mercedes, BMW and VW Group are doing the same but haven’t heard any confirmation.
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They don’t have Google in Kingston.kingstongraham said:
Have you heard of Google?kingstonian said:Regarding sanctions, I recall hearing that Jaguar Land Rover announced they were pulling out of Russia but does anyone know if other car manufacturers have? I’d kinda hope the likes of Mercedes, BMW and VW Group are doing the same but haven’t heard any confirmation.
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pblakeney said:
Chemical and/or biological would possibly be a step too far.blazing_saddles said:
Since they are already prepared to bomb maternity hospitals and target children, what do you think the US mean by "a big escalation"?rick_chasey said:
You think?rjsterry said:
Hand wringing about whether we should or shouldn't hand some planes to Ukraine in case Putin takes umbrage when he is bombing maternity hospitals seems a little grotesque.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile the war seems to have taken the darker turn we were expecting / fearing.
Sounds like massive civilian casualties and the Russians are using the terror of proper sieges (no food or water or electricity) and bombardement to try and break the spirit.
Various mass civilian graves. Awful
You don’t want an escalation beyond Ukraine, surely, unless you have enough evidence that will happen anyway.
US intelligence which had been accurate is saying delivering fighters risks a big escalation hence their reticence
Chemical, biological, tactical or all 3?
Extending past Ukraine would be the next step.
NATO is not going in to defend non-NATO countries.
Here's a thought though. Has the U.N. been proven to be useless?
Disagree. Chemical is next, then blame on Ukraine itself, sponsored by the US. They are already teeing this up and they have done this in the recent past.pblakeney said:
Chemical and/or biological would possibly be a step too far.blazing_saddles said:
Since they are already prepared to bomb maternity hospitals and target children, what do you think the US mean by "a big escalation"?rick_chasey said:
You think?rjsterry said:
Hand wringing about whether we should or shouldn't hand some planes to Ukraine in case Putin takes umbrage when he is bombing maternity hospitals seems a little grotesque.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile the war seems to have taken the darker turn we were expecting / fearing.
Sounds like massive civilian casualties and the Russians are using the terror of proper sieges (no food or water or electricity) and bombardement to try and break the spirit.
Various mass civilian graves. Awful
You don’t want an escalation beyond Ukraine, surely, unless you have enough evidence that will happen anyway.
US intelligence which had been accurate is saying delivering fighters risks a big escalation hence their reticence
Chemical, biological, tactical or all 3?
Extending past Ukraine would be the next step.
NATO is not going in to defend non-NATO countries.
Here's a thought though. Has the U.N. been proven to be useless?
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remember the asset and equipt tie up re the wounded.rick_chasey said:
that's a major part of what will be slowing them down as well..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I obviously wasn't clear. I think Russia using chemical or biological weapons would be a step too far for the west.First.Aspect said:pblakeney said:
Chemical and/or biological would possibly be a step too far.blazing_saddles said:
Since they are already prepared to bomb maternity hospitals and target children, what do you think the US mean by "a big escalation"?rick_chasey said:
You think?rjsterry said:
Hand wringing about whether we should or shouldn't hand some planes to Ukraine in case Putin takes umbrage when he is bombing maternity hospitals seems a little grotesque.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile the war seems to have taken the darker turn we were expecting / fearing.
Sounds like massive civilian casualties and the Russians are using the terror of proper sieges (no food or water or electricity) and bombardement to try and break the spirit.
Various mass civilian graves. Awful
You don’t want an escalation beyond Ukraine, surely, unless you have enough evidence that will happen anyway.
US intelligence which had been accurate is saying delivering fighters risks a big escalation hence their reticence
Chemical, biological, tactical or all 3?
Extending past Ukraine would be the next step.
NATO is not going in to defend non-NATO countries.
Here's a thought though. Has the U.N. been proven to be useless?
Disagree. Chemical is next, then blame on Ukraine itself, sponsored by the US. They are already teeing this up and they have done this in the recent past.pblakeney said:
Chemical and/or biological would possibly be a step too far.blazing_saddles said:
Since they are already prepared to bomb maternity hospitals and target children, what do you think the US mean by "a big escalation"?rick_chasey said:
You think?rjsterry said:
Hand wringing about whether we should or shouldn't hand some planes to Ukraine in case Putin takes umbrage when he is bombing maternity hospitals seems a little grotesque.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile the war seems to have taken the darker turn we were expecting / fearing.
Sounds like massive civilian casualties and the Russians are using the terror of proper sieges (no food or water or electricity) and bombardement to try and break the spirit.
Various mass civilian graves. Awful
You don’t want an escalation beyond Ukraine, surely, unless you have enough evidence that will happen anyway.
US intelligence which had been accurate is saying delivering fighters risks a big escalation hence their reticence
Chemical, biological, tactical or all 3?
Extending past Ukraine would be the next step.
NATO is not going in to defend non-NATO countries.
Here's a thought though. Has the U.N. been proven to be useless?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Extending past Ukraine has the Russian army faced with even bigger logistical problems.pblakeney said:
Chemical and/or biological would possibly be a step too far.blazing_saddles said:
Since they are already prepared to bomb maternity hospitals and target children, what do you think the US mean by "a big escalation"?rick_chasey said:
You think?rjsterry said:
Hand wringing about whether we should or shouldn't hand some planes to Ukraine in case Putin takes umbrage when he is bombing maternity hospitals seems a little grotesque.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile the war seems to have taken the darker turn we were expecting / fearing.
Sounds like massive civilian casualties and the Russians are using the terror of proper sieges (no food or water or electricity) and bombardement to try and break the spirit.
Various mass civilian graves. Awful
You don’t want an escalation beyond Ukraine, surely, unless you have enough evidence that will happen anyway.
US intelligence which had been accurate is saying delivering fighters risks a big escalation hence their reticence
Chemical, biological, tactical or all 3?
Extending past Ukraine would be the next step.
NATO is not going in to defend non-NATO countries.
Here's a thought though. Has the U.N. been proven to be useless?
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Certainly not the dead, there are * a lot* of reports (though it could be propaganda so let's give it a pinch of salt) that the Russians are not really bothering picking up their own dead - presumably for the reason you're describing above.MattFalle said:
remember the asset and equipt tie up re the wounded.rick_chasey said:
that's a major part of what will be slowing them down as well.0 -
Translation: "The battle in the Brovarsky district: a view from above."
Looks to me like a load of Russian armour comes into a town, gets pumped, reverses as quick as it can and scatters?
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Thats gonna destroy morale at home if 10,000s people just MIA. Hard to cover that with propoganda.0
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Putin is escalating anyway. And now engineering a pretext to use chemical weapons by the sounds of it. Russian media is full of rhetoric about reestablishing Greater Russia so why does anyone think he will stop at Ukraine?rick_chasey said:
You think?rjsterry said:
Hand wringing about whether we should or shouldn't hand some planes to Ukraine in case Putin takes umbrage when he is bombing maternity hospitals seems a little grotesque.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile the war seems to have taken the darker turn we were expecting / fearing.
Sounds like massive civilian casualties and the Russians are using the terror of proper sieges (no food or water or electricity) and bombardement to try and break the spirit.
Various mass civilian graves. Awful
You don’t want an escalation beyond Ukraine, surely, unless you have enough evidence that will happen anyway.
US intelligence which had been accurate is saying delivering fighters risks a big escalation hence their reticence1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
kingstongraham said:
Have you heard of Google?kingstonian said:Regarding sanctions, I recall hearing that Jaguar Land Rover announced they were pulling out of Russia but does anyone know if other car manufacturers have? I’d kinda hope the likes of Mercedes, BMW and VW Group are doing the same but haven’t heard any confirmation.
Haha, oops. I just used that new dangled thing called Google and good to see pretty much all the car manufacturers have fallen in line.1 -
https://apple.news/At7orpXVeRvq626uJ7gxulA
Abramovich sanctioned by UK government today - will likely throw a huge spanner in the works when it comes to him trying to sell Chelsea FC.
I read that yesterday his yacht sailed out of a Barcelona dock into the Med, so that’s one asset he’s probably managed to get squirrelled away.0 -
True, but you are making the mistake of applying logic to an illogical situation.blazing_saddles said:
Extending past Ukraine has the Russian army faced with even bigger logistical problems.pblakeney said:
Chemical and/or biological would possibly be a step too far.blazing_saddles said:
Since they are already prepared to bomb maternity hospitals and target children, what do you think the US mean by "a big escalation"?rick_chasey said:
You think?rjsterry said:
Hand wringing about whether we should or shouldn't hand some planes to Ukraine in case Putin takes umbrage when he is bombing maternity hospitals seems a little grotesque.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile the war seems to have taken the darker turn we were expecting / fearing.
Sounds like massive civilian casualties and the Russians are using the terror of proper sieges (no food or water or electricity) and bombardement to try and break the spirit.
Various mass civilian graves. Awful
You don’t want an escalation beyond Ukraine, surely, unless you have enough evidence that will happen anyway.
US intelligence which had been accurate is saying delivering fighters risks a big escalation hence their reticence
Chemical, biological, tactical or all 3?
Extending past Ukraine would be the next step.
NATO is not going in to defend non-NATO countries.
Here's a thought though. Has the U.N. been proven to be useless?
Logic dictates that Putin shouldn’t have invaded in the first place.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
About bloody time.kingstonian said:https://apple.news/At7orpXVeRvq626uJ7gxulA
Abramovich sanctioned by UK government today - will likely throw a huge spanner in the works when it comes to him trying to sell Chelsea FC.
I read that yesterday his yacht sailed out of a Barcelona dock into the Med, so that’s one asset he’s probably managed to get squirrelled away.
Can that yacht actually leave the Med without being embargoed?0 -
So Ambramovich has had all his assets frozen, including Chelsea. No more tickets allowed to be sold, only season ticket holders can go etc.0
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I bet he would still pass the fit and proper person test.
Is he a person?
Yes.0 -
No distributions to him personally. Tickets are not paid to him personally.rick_chasey said:So Ambramovich has had all his assets frozen, including Chelsea. No more tickets allowed to be sold, only season ticket holders can go etc.
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