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ballysmate said:
Bet that gets well received on here.TheBigBean said:Ukrainians happy with the UK
https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/03/i-loathe-boris-johnson-but-ukrainians-love-him
He's still a liar with no principles.0 -
FTFYbriantrumpet said:ballysmate said:
Bet that gets well received on here.TheBigBean said:Ukrainians happy with the UK
https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/03/i-loathe-boris-johnson-but-ukrainians-love-him
He's still a liar with no principles who sent arms and support to a country facing invasion while a large trading bloc with delusions of grandeur discussed the sale of handbags.
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I do find it quite interesting that we were proactively tooling them up for weeks.ballysmate said:
Bet that gets well received on here.TheBigBean said:Ukrainians happy with the UK
https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/03/i-loathe-boris-johnson-but-ukrainians-love-him
I think Britain has been playing a long game in many areas that we’ll never fully appreciate.
How much of that is credit to Bojo is another matter.0 -
ballysmate said:
FTFYbriantrumpet said:ballysmate said:
Bet that gets well received on here.TheBigBean said:Ukrainians happy with the UK
https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/03/i-loathe-boris-johnson-but-ukrainians-love-him
He's still a liar with no principles who sent arms and support to a country facing invasion while a large trading bloc with delusions of grandeur discussed the sale of handbags.
Even unprincipled liars sometimes make passable calls. You might note that I said so with the omicron wave. Mussolini got trains running on time, but that didn't wipe out his other misdemeanours.0 -
morstar said:
I do find it quite interesting that we were proactively tooling them up for weeks.ballysmate said:
Bet that gets well received on here.TheBigBean said:Ukrainians happy with the UK
https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/03/i-loathe-boris-johnson-but-ukrainians-love-him
I think Britain has been playing a long game in many areas that we’ll never fully appreciate.
How much of that is credit to Bojo is another matter.
First rule of Cake Stop - don't give BJ credit for anything.
Second rule of Cake Stop - See rule No 1.0 -
ballysmate said:morstar said:
I do find it quite interesting that we were proactively tooling them up for weeks.ballysmate said:
Bet that gets well received on here.TheBigBean said:Ukrainians happy with the UK
https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/03/i-loathe-boris-johnson-but-ukrainians-love-him
I think Britain has been playing a long game in many areas that we’ll never fully appreciate.
How much of that is credit to Bojo is another matter.
First rule of Cake Stop - don't give BJ credit for anything.
Second rule of Cake Stop - See rule No 1.
Did you miss the bit about me giving credit to BJ then?0 -
Passable? Arming Ukraine in order to help defend itself is a passable call?briantrumpet said:ballysmate said:
FTFYbriantrumpet said:ballysmate said:
Bet that gets well received on here.TheBigBean said:Ukrainians happy with the UK
https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/03/i-loathe-boris-johnson-but-ukrainians-love-him
He's still a liar with no principles who sent arms and support to a country facing invasion while a large trading bloc with delusions of grandeur discussed the sale of handbags.
Even unprincipled liars sometimes make passable calls. You might note that I said so with the omicron wave. Mussolini got trains running on time, but that didn't wipe out his other misdemeanours.
Mussolini committed misdemeanours? I assume your tongue was firmly in cheek.0 -
I thought that may be the manner of response.ballysmate said:morstar said:
I do find it quite interesting that we were proactively tooling them up for weeks.ballysmate said:
Bet that gets well received on here.TheBigBean said:Ukrainians happy with the UK
https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/03/i-loathe-boris-johnson-but-ukrainians-love-him
I think Britain has been playing a long game in many areas that we’ll never fully appreciate.
How much of that is credit to Bojo is another matter.
First rule of Cake Stop - don't give BJ credit for anything.
Second rule of Cake Stop - See rule No 1.
I do think this is more a case of letting the intelligence and military leaders do their bit.
The vaccine approach I do think was a political success.0 -
I think Ben Wallace has improved his standing no end.morstar said:
I thought that may be the manner of response.ballysmate said:morstar said:
I do find it quite interesting that we were proactively tooling them up for weeks.ballysmate said:
Bet that gets well received on here.TheBigBean said:Ukrainians happy with the UK
https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/03/i-loathe-boris-johnson-but-ukrainians-love-him
I think Britain has been playing a long game in many areas that we’ll never fully appreciate.
How much of that is credit to Bojo is another matter.
First rule of Cake Stop - don't give BJ credit for anything.
Second rule of Cake Stop - See rule No 1.
I do think this is more a case of letting the intelligence and military leaders do their bit.
The vaccine approach I do think was a political success.
But pretty sure the PM would have had to have signed off on such a large supply of arms, especially given the circumstances.
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If you check back, I think it was in the Tory thread, I said that we could and should be doing more in respect of refugees. And sanctions for that matter.ddraver said:It's fairly old news.
The Ukranian Ambasador was singing a less happy refugee themed tune to government today.
I'm sure Bally will be right along with that post0 -
Meanwhile, Wills has rather put his foot in it...
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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ballysmate said:
Passable? Arming Ukraine in order to help defend itself is a passable call?briantrumpet said:ballysmate said:
FTFYbriantrumpet said:ballysmate said:
Bet that gets well received on here.TheBigBean said:Ukrainians happy with the UK
https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/03/i-loathe-boris-johnson-but-ukrainians-love-him
He's still a liar with no principles who sent arms and support to a country facing invasion while a large trading bloc with delusions of grandeur discussed the sale of handbags.
Even unprincipled liars sometimes make passable calls. You might note that I said so with the omicron wave. Mussolini got trains running on time, but that didn't wipe out his other misdemeanours.
Mussolini committed misdemeanours? I assume your tongue was firmly in cheek.
Is he a genius for doing what's right (for once)? It's a passable call, as I hope anyone would have made in his position, given the situation.
He's still an unprincipled liar, which I note you're not arguing. And as such, he shouldn't be Prime Minister.
And though it might be grudging, here's two of us in one go...
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Watched the QT vid @ballysmate
Seemed like a sensible chap, the only bit I disagreed with was leaving Poland to deal with the refugees (physically at least). Saying they're all better off there feels quite patronising, why not let them decide?- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Reports (I saw them in the Guardian) of serious concerns Russia is preparing to use unconventional (non-conventional?) weapons such as tactical nukes or biological weapons.
How does Nato respond to that - if at all?
[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
See above. I suspect that might tip the balance. Possibly under the auspices of humanitarian aid to enter the country.DeVlaeminck said:Reports (I saw them in the Guardian) of serious concerns Russia is preparing to use unconventional (non-conventional?) weapons such as tactical nukes or biological weapons.
How does Nato respond to that - if at all?0 -
DeVlaeminck said:
Reports (I saw them in the Guardian) of serious concerns Russia is preparing to use unconventional (non-conventional?) weapons such as tactical nukes or biological weapons.
How does Nato respond to that - if at all?
Glad I don't have to make decisions, though from my armchair, I'd suspect that Putin is throwing as much scary stuff out there as he can to try to frighten people into bending to his will. It all reeks of desperation.0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!2 -
Meanwhile the war seems to have taken the darker turn we were expecting / fearing.
Sounds like massive civilian casualties and the Russians are using the terror of proper sieges (no food or water or electricity) and bombardement to try and break the spirit.
Various mass civilian graves. Awful0 -
rick_chasey said:
Meanwhile the war seems to have taken the darker turn we were expecting / fearing.
Sounds like massive civilian casualties and the Russians are using the terror of proper sieges (no food or water or electricity) and bombardement to try and break the spirit.
Various mass civilian graves. Awful
I think that's been obvious for several days. And yes, horrific.
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I mean yeah. Fascists innit.
No wonder Trump loves Putin so much.0 -
this is the thing cadet bone spurs tried to block going to Ukraine unless they made up stuff on Hunter Biden - got him his first impeachment.kingstonian said:Pross said:
Ah that makes sense. I wondered why we were sending stuff that was considered censored 30 years ago!ballysmate said:.
Not the old anti aircraft missile but the new American anti tank missile.Pross said:
Is the Javelin still used? I thought it was retired years ago and was considered a bit censored even when it was state of the art (might be confusing it with the Blowpipe that I think had a shoot and hope reputation in the Falklands).kingstonian said:blazing_saddles said:
Since he specifically states they are tactical battalions.rjsterry said:
According to Google, a battalion is ~400 men, so ~2500 in total? MF can probably confirm.rick_chasey said:Economist Defence Editor.
Thus far his analysis has been bang on, both before and during.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a39193732/russian-battalion-tactical-groups-explained/
Follow the link there and we get:The battalion tactical group [batalonnaya takticheskaya gruppa] is a temporary formation for solving certain operational tasks. The BTG is a reinforced battalion that has all the necessary reinforcements. Each BTG consists of 700-800 people, and some - of 900. Each brigade and regiment, as a rule, includes two such battalion groups. The battalion tactical group is a temporary unit. It is created for combat. The BTG is created around a motorized rifle or tank battalion by subordinating to it artillery, anti-aircraft, engineering and other special units necessary to carry out the assigned combat mission. It includes a motorized infantry company(s), 2-4 tanks, units with ATGMs, mortars, reconnaissance, engineering and rear groups. It can be covered by fire support helicopters, divisional artillery and a platoon of anti-aircraft guns.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/army-btg.htm
So, significantly more bodies than I initially thought.
I’d expect those battalions comprise mainly tanks and artillery, in which case the continuous supply of Javelins and NLAWs from the West will need to keep coming.
Yep, the Javelin is very effective..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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thats 750 bods, not 750 combat troops.orraloon said:
Listened to a More Or Less stats episode today; think the number they used was 750 per battalion, which ties with the numbers you quote.blazing_saddles said:
Since he specifically states they are tactical battalions.rjsterry said:
According to Google, a battalion is ~400 men, so ~2500 in total? MF can probably confirm.rick_chasey said:Economist Defence Editor.
Thus far his analysis has been bang on, both before and during.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a39193732/russian-battalion-tactical-groups-explained/
Follow the link there and we get:The battalion tactical group [batalonnaya takticheskaya gruppa] is a temporary formation for solving certain operational tasks. The BTG is a reinforced battalion that has all the necessary reinforcements. Each BTG consists of 700-800 people, and some - of 900. Each brigade and regiment, as a rule, includes two such battalion groups. The battalion tactical group is a temporary unit. It is created for combat. The BTG is created around a motorized rifle or tank battalion by subordinating to it artillery, anti-aircraft, engineering and other special units necessary to carry out the assigned combat mission. It includes a motorized infantry company(s), 2-4 tanks, units with ATGMs, mortars, reconnaissance, engineering and rear groups. It can be covered by fire support helicopters, divisional artillery and a platoon of anti-aircraft guns.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/army-btg.htm
So, significantly more bodies than I initially thought.
call it 100 chefs, 100 mechanics, 100 medics, 20 nurses, 50 storemen...... these numbers soon get eaten up.
and remember, these are dudes who didn't join up to shoot things so won't go near thr front line..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Worth checking this thread... how long before they get rebuked *again* for misusing statistics?
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They will enjoy the drive through a population that hates them.MattFalle said:
thats 750 bods, not 750 combat troops.orraloon said:
Listened to a More Or Less stats episode today; think the number they used was 750 per battalion, which ties with the numbers you quote.blazing_saddles said:
Since he specifically states they are tactical battalions.rjsterry said:
According to Google, a battalion is ~400 men, so ~2500 in total? MF can probably confirm.rick_chasey said:Economist Defence Editor.
Thus far his analysis has been bang on, both before and during.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a39193732/russian-battalion-tactical-groups-explained/
Follow the link there and we get:The battalion tactical group [batalonnaya takticheskaya gruppa] is a temporary formation for solving certain operational tasks. The BTG is a reinforced battalion that has all the necessary reinforcements. Each BTG consists of 700-800 people, and some - of 900. Each brigade and regiment, as a rule, includes two such battalion groups. The battalion tactical group is a temporary unit. It is created for combat. The BTG is created around a motorized rifle or tank battalion by subordinating to it artillery, anti-aircraft, engineering and other special units necessary to carry out the assigned combat mission. It includes a motorized infantry company(s), 2-4 tanks, units with ATGMs, mortars, reconnaissance, engineering and rear groups. It can be covered by fire support helicopters, divisional artillery and a platoon of anti-aircraft guns.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/army-btg.htm
So, significantly more bodies than I initially thought.
call it 100 chefs, 100 mechanics, 100 medics, 20 nurses, 50 storemen...... these numbers soon get eaten up.
and remember, these are dudes who didn't join up to shoot things so won't go near thr front line.0 -
Just to comply with your stereotype of Cake Stoppers I wonder which Tory party donor has a large stake in Thalesballysmate said:
I think Ben Wallace has improved his standing no end.morstar said:
I thought that may be the manner of response.ballysmate said:morstar said:
I do find it quite interesting that we were proactively tooling them up for weeks.ballysmate said:
Bet that gets well received on here.TheBigBean said:Ukrainians happy with the UK
https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/03/i-loathe-boris-johnson-but-ukrainians-love-him
I think Britain has been playing a long game in many areas that we’ll never fully appreciate.
How much of that is credit to Bojo is another matter.
First rule of Cake Stop - don't give BJ credit for anything.
Second rule of Cake Stop - See rule No 1.
I do think this is more a case of letting the intelligence and military leaders do their bit.
The vaccine approach I do think was a political success.
But pretty sure the PM would have had to have signed off on such a large supply of arms, especially given the circumstances.0
