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Imagine getting a knighthood but knowing that everyone knew that you only got it to shut you up. What a proud moment.briantrumpet said:Ooh, a nice bit of conspiracy...
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A firefight in the biggest nuclear power plant in Europe being streamed live on YouTube.
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"If it goes up it'll be 10x worse than Chernobyl " says the Ukrainian spokesperson.
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7hrs later the Russians have taken it.tailwindhome said:A firefight in the biggest nuclear power plant in Europe being streamed live on YouTube.
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The proud owners of a nuclear power plant in a foreign land. Next stop more schools and hospitals. #heartsandminds.rick_chasey said:
7hrs later the Russians have taken it.tailwindhome said:A firefight in the biggest nuclear power plant in Europe being streamed live on YouTube.
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I haven't been able to come up with a plan to remove Putin from Ukraine without escalation to nuclear war.
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Missiles targetted to take out every building in which Putin might be lurking don't need to be nuclear.tailwindhome said:I haven't been able to come up with a plan to remove Putin from Ukraine without escalation to nuclear war.
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What maximum timescale were you looking at?tailwindhome said:I haven't been able to come up with a plan to remove Putin from Ukraine without escalation to nuclear war.
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Sadly, I think its been clear for a few days that the Russians will take control of most of eastern Ukraine, but the towns and cities will be destroyed in the process.rick_chasey said:I worry the Ukrainians are losing substantial ground now.
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There was always going to be a point where Russia prevail in this, just by sheer force of numbers. The difficult decision for Ukraine now is when do they surrender? Because they’re going to have to - the only alternative is escalation due to other countries getting involved.rick_chasey said:I worry the Ukrainians are losing substantial ground now.
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Not necessarily.
They aren't going to surrender as such. It will just get messier and there will be more young (and possibly now old) men heading back to Russia for cremation. This will be a humanitarian disaster in Ukraine. The west will continue to try to induce one within Russia. The Russian government has recent experience of hyper inflation and defaulting on debt, so I am not sure it will bother them terribly much. The only thing likely to bother them is running out of bullets, old men or young men. .johngti said:
There was always going to be a point where Russia prevail in this, just by sheer force of numbers. The difficult decision for Ukraine now is when do they surrender? Because they’re going to have to - the only alternative is escalation due to other countries getting involved.rick_chasey said:I worry the Ukrainians are losing substantial ground now.
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You don’t think the Ukraine government will decide that there’s been enough death and destruction?0
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The little I know about history in those parts is that the locals are hard as nails when it comes to stuff like this.johngti said:You don’t think the Ukraine government will decide that there’s been enough death and destruction?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army to take a high profile example, and they were *not small*
They went about fighting anyone and everyone, Nazis, Commies, the lot.
(not always the good guys either - chipped in on the holocaust, and was quite happy to massacre Poles).
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For a supposed established democracy it is a terrible look.rick_chasey said:0 -
I think the bit the West is struggling to get its head around is that this won't stop at Ukraine. The only way this ends is Putin deposed or dead.First.Aspect said:Not necessarily.
They aren't going to surrender as such. It will just get messier and there will be more young (and possibly now old) men heading back to Russia for cremation. This will be a humanitarian disaster in Ukraine. The west will continue to try to induce one within Russia. The Russian government has recent experience of hyper inflation and defaulting on debt, so I am not sure it will bother them terribly much. The only thing likely to bother them is running out of bullets, old men or young men. .johngti said:
There was always going to be a point where Russia prevail in this, just by sheer force of numbers. The difficult decision for Ukraine now is when do they surrender? Because they’re going to have to - the only alternative is escalation due to other countries getting involved.rick_chasey said:I worry the Ukrainians are losing substantial ground now.
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The most surprising thing in that story is that Hampton is in the borough of Richmondrick_chasey said:0 -
A bit generous to call Russia an established democracyjohn80 said:
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Does anybody else think that Russia’s inability to supply it’s arms forces could be a sign that their economy is a lot more fooked than everybody thinks?
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On the subject of sanctions, this is breaking news from the BBC:
President Putin has warned those opposing Russia's actions in Ukraine "not to exacerbate the situation" by imposing more restrictions on his country.
The Russian president was speaking at a government meeting broadcast on the state-controlled Rossiya 24 news channel.
"We have no ill intentions against our neighbours," Putin claims.
And he says his government sees "no need" for its neighbours to take further action that will "make our relations worse".
"I think everyone must think about how to normalise relations, co-operate normally and develop relations normally," he adds.
It comes as foreign ministers from across the West gather in Brussels to consider how to maintain pressure on Russia.
Putin also repeats his previous claim that all action taken by the Russian military so far has been made "exclusively in response to some unfriendly actions against the Russian Federation".0 -
I take from that the sanctions are biting, and biting hard.0
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I agree. Putin and Lavarov have to be eliminated.rjsterry said:
I think the bit the West is struggling to get its head around is that this won't stop at Ukraine. The only way this ends is Putin deposed or dead.First.Aspect said:Not necessarily.
They aren't going to surrender as such. It will just get messier and there will be more young (and possibly now old) men heading back to Russia for cremation. This will be a humanitarian disaster in Ukraine. The west will continue to try to induce one within Russia. The Russian government has recent experience of hyper inflation and defaulting on debt, so I am not sure it will bother them terribly much. The only thing likely to bother them is running out of bullets, old men or young men. .johngti said:
There was always going to be a point where Russia prevail in this, just by sheer force of numbers. The difficult decision for Ukraine now is when do they surrender? Because they’re going to have to - the only alternative is escalation due to other countries getting involved.rick_chasey said:I worry the Ukrainians are losing substantial ground now.
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i need to stop reading this thread. Not doing my mental health any good…
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For Ukraine, it could come down to can Ukrainian forces hold out long enough. That may mean a week, two weeks or a little longer.surrey_commuter said:Does anybody else think that Russia’s inability to supply it’s arms forces could be a sign that their economy is a lot more fooked than everybody thinks?
If so then the sanctions could tip them over the edge a lot more rapidly than anybody expects
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I feel the supply issues are more related to being in "about to invade" positions for quite a while before they attacked, plus the mud, which creates additional bottlenecks.surrey_commuter said:Does anybody else think that Russia’s inability to supply it’s arms forces could be a sign that their economy is a lot more fooked than everybody thinks?
If so then the sanctions could tip them over the edge a lot more rapidly than anybody expects
The level of clampdown on press etc is really quite extreme now, and has got more so just in the last week. I think we're not too far off from seeing thought police style behaviour and types of terror Russia hasn't seen for 70 years. That can really put the screws on a population - and then it really is hard to change leadership.
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