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MattFalle

rjsterry said:

MattFalle said:

thegreatdivide said:

MattFalle said:

kingstonian said:

The other factor the Russians probably hadn’t factored in was just how much intel can be fed from US/NATO/EU satellites to Ukrainian soldiers on the ground.

of course they had.

the ukranians are getting every bit of info from every source you can think plus

kingstonian said:

rick_chasey said:

Correct me if I am wrong but a siege requires quite a lot of manpower to maintain, right?

Yes, and a hell of a lot of logistics flows to maintain

which also means a hell of a lot of (oooeerrr) rear protection which means troops, material, support for them.

basically a hell of a lot of stuff just sitting there open to being picked off my drones, missiles, etc.

JimD666

With many (most?) sporting bodies recommending suspension of athletes from Russia and Belarus the UCI is being uncharacteristically firm in saying "You all a bunch of naughty boys" and that's about it. So far at least.

There may be slight sarcasm in the above statement

Stevo_666

Interesting development on the logistics front - apparently some of the major shippers and logistics providers are pulling out of delivering goods to Russia. So even if products aren't sanctioned, a lot of companies will struggle to deliver their kit to Russia.

kingstongraham

Gazprom due to race tomorrow and then in Tirreno Adriatico next week, I guess we'll see.

john80

If he goes down the siege route then there are quite a few civilian mouths to feed. What's he going to do when they see the unfairness of this and start supporting the guys Putin wants to kill more. I was unsure of the Ukrainians bit the more this goes on the more I see them getting hostile to Russia. Hearts and minds and all that.

Pross

rjsterry said:

MattFalle said:

thegreatdivide said:

MattFalle said:

kingstonian said:

The other factor the Russians probably hadn’t factored in was just how much intel can be fed from US/NATO/EU satellites to Ukrainian soldiers on the ground.

of course they had.

the ukranians are getting every bit of info from every source you can think plus more you don't know about and then some.

its basic stuff.

As well as the aforementioned E-3 AWACS (NATO) and RC-135 (HOMER) stuff that's going up and down the border, the US are sending regular U-2S flights out of RAF Fairford which will sit at 80,000 ft bulging with sensors. Call sign BLACK01* set off just after 07:00 this morning, but you're not going to see it on the web based trackers for obvious reasons.

*I'm a lowly spotter - folk in the upper league of a closed forum I subscribe to take their military traffic monitoring to a whole different level.

and tv and civpop and recce troop and SRR and D Force and 6 and the CIA and MOSSAD and everything else.


it'll all be being fed into a central area, briefings given out, target selection ensues.

FFS use English, man.

Maybe I've read too many novels but I can translate most of that:

TV - I assume that is just TV (unless there is an elite force of cross-dressers behind enemy lines!)
Civpop - civilian population
Recce troop - reconnaisance troop of the Royal Marines (I think although other countries / units also have them)
SRR - Special Reconnaisance Regiment, unit of the British Special Forces that does what it says on the tin (they've evolved from 14 Intelligence Company that did all the undercover stuff in NI)
D Force - presumably Delta Force
6 - SEAL team 6 (or MI6???)

CIA and MOSSAD are obvious.

Military types love jargon.

rjsterry

MattFalle said:

rjsterry said:

MattFalle said:

thegreatdivide said:

MattFalle said:

kingstonian said:

The other factor the Russians probably hadn’t factored in was just how much intel can be fed from US/NATO/EU satellites to Ukrainian soldiers on the ground.

of course they had.

the ukranians are getting every bit of info from every source you can think plus

kingstonian said:

rick_chasey said:

Correct me if I am wrong but a siege requires quite a lot of manpower to maintain, right?

Yes, and a hell of a lot of logistics flows to maintain

which also means a hell of a lot of (oooeerrr) rear protection which means troops, material, support for them.

basically a hell of a lot of stuff just sitting there open to being picked off my drones, missiles, etc.

How on earth did my name get attached to this?

Pross

It's the fucked up quote formatting on the forum. Maybe Russian hackers are responsible!

MattFalle

Pross said:

It's the censored up quote formatting on the forum. Maybe Russian hackers are responsible!

this

i don't know if you guys get the same thing - quotes going all over the shop, half text sitting in text boxes....

all a bit random

i blame mad vlad

pblakeney

MattFalle said:

they all did it in Iraq, they did it in Afghan, they all do it in Africa all the time, everyone is monitoring everyone all the time - its all behind the scenes co-operation and part of being NATO/coalition forces.



everyone expected this level of cooperation because of exactly what is happening.

I think people forget there is what we know, what we think we know, and what goes on that we don't know. Simply put, what is in the media is what the intelligence groups want to be there, and that only. If I know what special forces are up to then they have failed.

MattFalle

Pross said:

rjsterry said:

MattFalle said:

thegreatdivide said:

MattFalle said:

kingstonian said:

The other factor the Russians probably hadn’t factored in was just how much intel can be fed from US/NATO/EU satellites to Ukrainian soldiers on the ground.

of course they had.

the ukranians are getting every bit of info from every source you can think plus more you don't know about and then some.

its basic stuff.

As well as the aforementioned E-3 AWACS (NATO) and RC-135 (HOMER) stuff that's going up and down the border, the US are sending regular U-2S flights out of RAF Fairford which will sit at 80,000 ft bulging with sensors. Call sign BLACK01* set off just after 07:00 this morning, but you're not going to see it on the web based trackers for obvious reasons.

*I'm a lowly spotter - folk in the upper league of a closed forum I subscribe to take their military traffic monitoring to a whole different level.

and tv and civpop and recce troop and SRR and D Force and 6 and the CIA and MOSSAD and everything else.


it'll all be being fed into a central area, briefings given out, target selection ensues.

FFS use English, man.

Maybe I've read too many novels but I can translate most of that:

TV - I assume that is just TV (unless there is an elite force of cross-dressers behind enemy lines!)
Civpop - civilian population
Recce troop - reconnaisance troop of the Royal Marines (I think although other countries / units also have them)
SRR - Special Reconnaisance Regiment, unit of the British Special Forces that does what it says on the tin (they've evolved from 14 Intelligence Company that did all the undercover stuff in NI)
D Force - presumably Delta Force
6 - SEAL team 6 (or MI6???)

CIA and MOSSAD are obvious.

Military types love jargon.

yeah, that'll do.

6 is MI6

Recce troop is everyone not just booties but they are there as they are the arctic specialists. or they may not be. who knows.

its not the love of jargon - its just when you work in an industry you tend to use the jargon without thinking. same as if i started talking med (or bcd drills). Talk to Stevo and he'll talk tax to you, F.A. will talk I.P.

thegreatdivide

Interesting comment in a recent article from the AirForce Times (yes - it's a thing):

"A third base on standby, Robins Air Force Base in Georgia, is home to the E-8C JSTARS aircraft tracking ground targets over Europe. Davis-Monthan AFB, Arizona, the fourth base, referred questions on whether its EC-130H Compass Call electronic attack planes and others are assisting in Ukraine to Pentagon spokesman John Kirby.

Recent aircraft movements signal a departure from the Air Force’s earlier posture, which centered on reconnaissance missions monitoring the buildup of Russian troops along Ukraine’s borders.

On Wednesday, military plane-spotting hobbyist Amelia Smith pointed to U.S. Air Force RC-135V/W Rivet Joint planes, used for electronic eavesdropping, as well as a JSTARS jet among nearly two dozen military surveillance aircraft collecting intel over Europe. RQ-4 Global Hawk and MQ-9 Reaper drones have also been spotted on flight radars while gathering information over the region."

I've been watching for the EC-130H and its sister the PSYOP EC-130J to pop up on the trackers. The latter can change the channel on your TV and force you to watch GBNews (probably). It's a scary bit of kit.

surrey_commuter

There was a Rupert (check me out with the jargon) or an ex-Rupert if that is possible who explained that the supply column is not vulnerable as it is totally self-sufficient in terms of defending itself and making progress.

thegreatdivide

aye right - it'll be easy picking if the MLAW teams get close

MattFalle

pblakeney said:

MattFalle said:

they all did it in Iraq, they did it in Afghan, they all do it in Africa all the time, everyone is monitoring everyone all the time - its all behind the scenes co-operation and part of being NATO/coalition forces.



everyone expected this level of cooperation because of exactly what is happening.

I think people forget there is what we know, what we think we know, and what goes on that we don't know. Simply put, what is in the media is what the intelligence groups want to be there, and that only. If I know what special forces are up to then they have failed.

there's also the utterly batshit mad stuff that goes on all the time that you wouldn't imagine goes on and is bewildering even if you are involved in some aspects of some parts of it.

pblakeney

MattFalle said:

pblakeney said:

MattFalle said:

they all did it in Iraq, they did it in Afghan, they all do it in Africa all the time, everyone is monitoring everyone all the time - its all behind the scenes co-operation and part of being NATO/coalition forces.



everyone expected this level of cooperation because of exactly what is happening.

I think people forget there is what we know, what we think we know, and what goes on that we don't know. Simply put, what is in the media is what the intelligence groups want to be there, and that only. If I know what special forces are up to then they have failed.

there's also the utterly batshit mad stuff that goes on all the time that you wouldn't imagine goes on and is bewildering even if you are involved in some aspects of some parts of it.

That was my point, and I don't want to know.

MattFalle

know about what?

pblakeney

MattFalle said:

know about what?

"the utterly batshit mad stuff that goes on all the time that you wouldn't imagine "

MattFalle

what batshit mad stuff?

what do you know that you aren't telling us?

are you Nadine Dorres in disguise?

pblakeney

Yes, no, maybe. I could tell you but then....

MattFalle

pblakeney said:

Yes, no, maybe. I could tell you but then....

you can't!

you couldn't!

no matter what you threaten I WILL NEVER READ ONE OF YOUR BOOKS! NEVER!

#inhumane

tailwindhome

It's extraordinary just how much UK policy is shaped by immigration

kingstonian

Anyone know if the Ukraine Air Force have any fighter jets still operating?

Also I wonder what plan there is for tackling the 40 mile long convoy inching towards the capital.

MattFalle

tailwindhome said:

It's extraordinary just how much UK policy is shaped by immigration

have you just noticed or are you having a bubble?

#fucktheracistTories

MattFalle

kingstonian said:

Anyone know if the Ukraine Air Force have any fighter jets still operating?

Also I wonder what plan there is for tackling the 40 mile long convoy inching towards the capital.

not sure re the former but I'd smash the latter with 2/3 of the nearby pieces of indirect fire a third of the drones I have.

tbf, its got a shed of guns around it, so air is the only real option but they won't go all in on that front.

or hit it piecemeal.

joe2019

tailwindhome said:

It's extraordinary just how much UK policy is shaped by immigration

It's extraordinary just how much MattFalle has shaped this thread.

rick_chasey

Pleased that this thread hasn't got bogged down in the "NATO should enforce no-fly zones in Ukraine" discussions which are stupid for anyone who can think beyond first order consequences.

pblakeney

Much better than the posts in my FB feed with people saying we should just go in and sort Putin out. People that can't think past one step at a time.

rick_chasey

kingstonian said:

Anyone know if the Ukraine Air Force have any fighter jets still operating?

Also I wonder what plan there is for tackling the 40 mile long convoy inching towards the capital.

US last night said they were still operating but something like "materially degraded" and that Ukranian airspace was still contested "in some areas".

So I suspect that massive convoy is an an area which is not contested.

(I'm just guessing)

Dorset_Boy

I wonder whether the death of the Indian student today will have any impact on India's position (ie being one of the countries that abstained in the UN Security Council vote last week, along with the UAE).