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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited February 2022
    why do you say "of all places!" like its a shock?
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    Any pro Ukraine charity you would recommend for a donation?
    left the forum March 2023
  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,815
    ugo.santalucia said:

    Any pro Ukraine charity you would recommend for a donation?

    Was wondering about that. Haven't heard much about any fundraising efforts.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    ugo.santalucia said:

    Any pro Ukraine charity you would recommend for a donation?

    try contacting your local ukrainian/polish/equiv organisation and they will point you in the right direction

    otherwise red cross or similar will help
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • seanoconn
    seanoconn Posts: 11,673
    edited February 2022
    ugo.santalucia said:

    Any pro Ukraine charity you would recommend for a donation?

    My Ukrainian neighbour sent me this.

    https://www.openpetition.eu/petition/online/people-around-the-world-ask-nato-to-close-the-airspace-over-ukraine

    And this

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/607314
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    MattFalle said:

    why do you say "of all places!" like its a shock?

    True, it has been dumbed down to Facebook levels over the past few years so shouldn't have been a surprise.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Tbh, you'll racists and douchebags in every facet of life so just because they are on Linked In doesn't mean any different.

    Tbh, its normally full of capitalist bourge trying to pimp themselves for more cash so at least this is a change.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    I'm not sure Putin banning countries flying into Russia is the great retaliatory move against those stopping Russians flying into their countries he thinks it is. It's not like there are bunch of mega rich people propping up Governments in those countries who are desperate to enjoy the delights of March in Moscow.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    MattFalle said:


    Tbh, its normally full of capitalist bourge trying to pimp themselves for more cash so at least this is a change.

    LinkedIn is indeed a hateful version of Facepage, only where everyone gets along with each other even when they don't, so they can get hired, get sales or get clients.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Russia Today journalists on Twitter having a hissy fit that Twitter has marked their profiles 'Russia State Affiliated Media'
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    Pross said:

    I'm not sure Putin banning countries flying into Russia is the great retaliatory move against those stopping Russians flying into their countries he thinks it is. It's not like there are bunch of mega rich people propping up Governments in those countries who are desperate to enjoy the delights of March in Moscow.

    I thought exactly the same. The only mild inconvenience is airlines now having to skirt round Russian airspace, but that’s about it.
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    Dorset_Boy said:

    Famously neutral, even Switzerland are applying the same sanctions as the EU on Russia and Russians.


    I’d be genuinely interested to understand to what extent they will actively enforce those sanctions. Don’t trust the Swiss banks as far as I can throw them, which clearly isn’t far.
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    ugo.santalucia said:

    Any pro Ukraine charity you would recommend for a donation?

    Pretty comprehensive list here. I've not done any vetting so do a little research before donating.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/s6g5un/want_to_support_ukraine_heres_a_list_of_charities/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    Pross said:

    I'm not sure Putin banning countries flying into Russia is the great retaliatory move against those stopping Russians flying into their countries he thinks it is. It's not like there are bunch of mega rich people propping up Governments in those countries who are desperate to enjoy the delights of March in Moscow.

    Russia has quite a large amout of air space. For example, London to Tokyo is mostly in Russian air space. Even London to India typically goes through some of Russian air space.
  • mully79
    mully79 Posts: 904
    Just clicking on that flight tracker map and Moscow is inundated by commercial planes registered in Bermuda ?
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited February 2022
    offshore ownership tax avoidance and potential litigation mitigation by ownership of an asset through through an offshore holding company innit guv.



    Reese Mogg has his personal family company out there as well - bizarrely it transferred across only a few days before the Brexit vote so it means he pays no tax on the company's profits, which were £103 million this year.

    Putin, Reese Mogg, Sunak and the oligarchs - who'd a thunk it, eh....

    #scum
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,553
    MattFalle said:

    orraloon said:

    MattFalle said:

    orraloon said:

    Short chat today with Russian woman living here I've known these past several years, usually a very cheerful chatty lady. So sad and depressed, painful to experience.

    not as painful as your house being blown up, having to flee your country for life and leaving your husband/son/brother/etc there to have to kill people who generally don't want to be there either.

    i'd say that was prettyshit tbh.
    Ah come on, wasn't drawing comparisons there. Merely an example of a(n expat) Russian shocked, saddened, distraught, embarrassed by the behaviour of Putin and his gang. Which will be representative of a significant proportion of Russian nationals in or out of country. The painful bit referred to me, seeing and hearing the effect on this one individual.
    ask her how she feels about the Crimean people. Or the Chechnyans. Don't seem to remember too many Russians complaining then.

    methinks if it was all going swimmingly she may be acting differently.
    Chechens is the word you are looking for.
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    rjsterry said:

    MattFalle said:

    orraloon said:

    MattFalle said:

    orraloon said:

    Short chat today with Russian woman living here I've known these past several years, usually a very cheerful chatty lady. So sad and depressed, painful to experience.

    not as painful as your house being blown up, having to flee your country for life and leaving your husband/son/brother/etc there to have to kill people who generally don't want to be there either.

    i'd say that was prettyshit tbh.
    Ah come on, wasn't drawing comparisons there. Merely an example of a(n expat) Russian shocked, saddened, distraught, embarrassed by the behaviour of Putin and his gang. Which will be representative of a significant proportion of Russian nationals in or out of country. The painful bit referred to me, seeing and hearing the effect on this one individual.
    ask her how she feels about the Crimean people. Or the Chechnyans. Don't seem to remember too many Russians complaining then.

    methinks if it was all going swimmingly she may be acting differently.
    Chechens is the word you are looking for.
    that'll be the fellas. merci beaucoup.

    bet they won't be happy about that either.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,553
    A very long but interesting thread on how and why this has not gone Putin's way.

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  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195

  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    Quite a good article in the evil Torygraph on how Putin has 'achieved the impossible' by invading Ukraine. Europhiles may like this. Quoted below in case it is pay walled.
    https://telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/02/28/vladimir-putin-has-achieved-impossible-invading-ukraine/

    "Vladimir Putin has achieved the impossible by invading Ukraine
    Old certainties have been washed away as Europe fights back against the Russian president

    Vladimir Putin has badly miscalculated again and again.

    Vladimir Putin has achieved the impossible many times over by invading Ukraine.

    The EU, which has always styled itself as a peace project, has turned into a supplier of weapons and even fighter jets to the Ukrainian army.

    That decision to use EU cash to finance bullets and weapons is unprecedented. It is a historic step closer to the ‘geopolitical’ EU punching its weight on the world stage dreamt of by the likes of Emmanuel Macron.

    Unquestionably it is a historic moment for a bloc traditionally riven with deep divides over foreign policy, which had led to fears EU sanctions against Russia could be watered down or even blocked.

    On Sunday, Mr Putin succeeded where successive US presidents have failed for years. He convinced chronically pacifist Germany to finally meet and exceed its Nato defence spending targets.

    The volte face by Europe’s largest economy was hugely significant, as was Berlin’s decision to overturn a decades old ban on weapons exports to conflict areas to allow weapon supplies to Ukraine.

    Germany also halted the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline as it slaughtered another political sacred cow.

    Eastern European countries such as Poland have been bitter opponents of EU migration policy since the 2015 migrant crisis.

    Now, Ukrainian refugees are being welcomed with open arms in Warsaw.

    Bitter resentments over migration have blocked reform of EU asylum rules for years. This week, the EU is expected to agree measures that will give Ukrainian citizens temporary leave to stay in the bloc for up to three years.

    The doors of “Fortress Europe”, which was built after the 2015 migrant crisis, have been flung open; at least to Ukrainians.

    It is quite the contrast to EU plans after the fall of Afghanistan to pay “buffer countries” to host Afghan refugees and prevent them ever reaching Europe.

    Mr Putin has even managed to stir the EU’s long dormant Enlargement policy, which has been on ice for about a decade.

    Croatia was the last country to join the bloc back in 2013. Other countries have been kept waiting.

    Ursula von der Leyen on Sunday said of Ukraine, “They belong to us. They are one of us and we want them in.”

    The European Commission president will not decide whether Ukraine gets EU membership, which, if it ever happens, will not for many years.

    But the fact it is even being seriously talked about in Brussels would be unthinkable if it was not for Mr Putin.

    Meanwhile, a once divided West is increasingly in lockstep in issuing unprecedented sanctions against Moscow. Splits over issues such as kicking Russia out of Swift payment system have been overcome.

    Non-aligned Finland and Sweden have never been closer to joining Nato and it is all thanks to Mr Putin.

    He has transformed Ukraine’s president Volodymyr Zelensky from a former TV comic struggling in the polls into a world statesman and icon of resistance.

    Faced with backfiring miscalculation after backfiring miscalculation, the Russian president put his nuclear arsenal on high alert on Sunday.

    But he could not distract from the taboos being busted across Europe or the sense the sands of history were shifting against him.

    Perhaps for his final trick, Mr Putin will contrive to do what few thought possible one more time - and lose the war in Ukraine."
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    ^ Fxxx who would pay £/€/$ to read that sort of like well obvious shite?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    rjsterry said:

    A very long but interesting thread on how and why this has not gone Putin's way.

    …..so far….
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,553
    rick_chasey said:

    rjsterry said:

    A very long but interesting thread on how and why this has not gone Putin's way.

    …..so far….
    Worth a read if you haven't already. Goes right back through Putin's history. A little frustrating to read as a Twitter thread but there you go.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    rjsterry said:

    rick_chasey said:

    rjsterry said:

    A very long but interesting thread on how and why this has not gone Putin's way.

    …..so far….
    Worth a read if you haven't already. Goes right back through Putin's history. A little frustrating to read as a Twitter thread but there you go.
    Interesting hypothesis. All boils down to even 150k troops being nowhere near enough.

    Would be interested in an informed take on the rule of thumb that you need 6 times the resources to invade, than the country you are invading.

    Ukraine's army is about 200k, Russia's 800k. Of which about 1/4 were massed and half of those have been sent in.

    Was it ever going to work?
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    There was an interesting chat on the radio earlier. Some 'expert' (didn't catch his credentials) was talking about how Putin has been trying to relinquish power for years but is aware that if he does so there a lot of people currently working with him that want him dead and that once he leaves the protection of the Presidency he'll be a dead man walking so he stays in power.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    rjsterry said:

    rick_chasey said:

    rjsterry said:

    A very long but interesting thread on how and why this has not gone Putin's way.

    …..so far….
    Worth a read if you haven't already. Goes right back through Putin's history. A little frustrating to read as a Twitter thread but there you go.
    Yeah I read it yesterday.

    Pretty much every analyst figured Ukraine would be overrun in a matter of days.

    Thankfully they were very wrong.

    The reasons behind their wrong conclusion is still there though.

    It’s a big sophisticated army. Sure the original plan has plainly gone some form of t!ts up but what, it’s day 5 and they aren’t that stupid.

    I have some faint memories of America stuttering in the first fortnight in the Iraq invasion.

    Anyway, here’s hoping I’m being way to pessimistic and the Ukrainians give them a f@cking hiding
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    I do also wonder if civilian attacks on Russians build they’ll start taking revenge/heavy handed precautions…
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    Pross said:

    There was an interesting chat on the radio earlier. Some 'expert' (didn't catch his credentials) was talking about how Putin has been trying to relinquish power for years but is aware that if he does so there a lot of people currently working with him that want him dead and that once he leaves the protection of the Presidency he'll be a dead man walking so he stays in power.

    Sounds like bollocks to me.

    I've just watched a tiktok the missus found of a woman who appears not to be deranged saying that the Ukrainian prime minister is propped up by the US and that he's shut down three TV channels and imprisoned Opposition politicians. You won't hear this on mainstream media, the lady said.

    Wonder why not?

    Propaganda, eh?
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    edited February 2022
    Or it's not true? (I don't know which)

    EDIT - covered here re: TV channels, in the MSM:

    https://www.ft.com/content/176c0332-b927-465d-9eac-3b2d7eb9706a

    As for the US puppet thing - it all goes back to George Soros (who else!?)

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