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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    They should get one of the Klitschko brothers to challenge him to a fight to resolve the matter. He would then have a choice of a battering or looking like a coward.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    ddraver said:
    Possibly insane stupidity…

    Conversely, maybe suggests the explanation to the Russian troops of exactly what they are doing and why they are there may be somewhat separated from the truth.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    The second bit was what I thought was interesting.

    Similar to the russian soldier in the "Sunflower Woman" in whose voice you can hear the creeping doubt that things were not quite as he'd been told...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916

    Ideally we need a way out for Putin.

    It’s unlikely we can get rid of him, so if he can get out an save face we should work on it (though clearly not giving up an inch of Ukrainian ground)

    Would presume he will go in the same way as every dictator before him. Live by the sword die by the sword.
    He’s got nukes so we need to find a way to get him from escalating to that point one way or the other. Can’t rely on him being deposed before he gets nukey
    He'll be removed by someone within Russia not by the west.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190

    Ideally we need a way out for Putin.

    It’s unlikely we can get rid of him, so if he can get out an save face we should work on it (though clearly not giving up an inch of Ukrainian ground)

    Would presume he will go in the same way as every dictator before him. Live by the sword die by the sword.
    He’s got nukes so we need to find a way to get him from escalating to that point one way or the other. Can’t rely on him being deposed before he gets nukey
    He'll be removed by someone within Russia not by the west.
    You have to hope this is the outcome. It’s not much of a gravy train to ride if it leads to Armageddon. You’d assume at least one or two will step up to the plate when the time comes.
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    BP have announced they are offloading their 19.75% stake in Rosneft
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    morstar said:

    Ideally we need a way out for Putin.

    It’s unlikely we can get rid of him, so if he can get out an save face we should work on it (though clearly not giving up an inch of Ukrainian ground)

    Would presume he will go in the same way as every dictator before him. Live by the sword die by the sword.
    He’s got nukes so we need to find a way to get him from escalating to that point one way or the other. Can’t rely on him being deposed before he gets nukey
    He'll be removed by someone within Russia not by the west.
    You have to hope this is the outcome. It’s not much of a gravy train to ride if it leads to Armageddon. You’d assume at least one or two will step up to the plate when the time comes.
    There's an article on either the BBC or one of the natiknals about his inner circle. It didn't leave much room for optimism.
  • JimD666
    JimD666 Posts: 2,293
    People seem to be forgetting he's had 9+ years to ensure his inner circle is completely loyal and/or too scared to cross him.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    BP have announced they are offloading their 19.75% stake in Rosneft

    At considerable loss. Absolute firesale. RIP shareholders.

    (Again, this was your ESG risk right?)
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Chelsea charity foundation have rejected the opportunity to 'run' the club

    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited February 2022
    Deleted. Likely false information
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Meanwhile Kyiv is surrounded 😞
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847

    BP have announced they are offloading their 19.75% stake in Rosneft

    At considerable loss. Absolute firesale. RIP shareholders.

    (Again, this was your ESG risk right?)

    Not sure what you mean.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661


    Chuck them out of our sports while we’re at it.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    BP have announced they are offloading their 19.75% stake in Rosneft

    At considerable loss. Absolute firesale. RIP shareholders.

    (Again, this was your ESG risk right?)

    Not sure what you mean.
    Having your business heavily invested in Russian oil and having your CEO on a board with Putin is a governance risk (the G in ESG) so you would hope that given every investor in Europe waxes on about doing ESG analysis they should have priced that risk in (they won’t have)
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    edited February 2022
    Would you be able to fact check your Twitter posts? The story is from yesterday, has been denied (meaning little) and isn't reported on any more reliable media.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    JimD666 said:

    People seem to be forgetting he's had 9+ years to ensure his inner circle is completely loyal and/or too scared to cross him.

    Loyality is usually a temporary thing that fades in the face of opportunity and money.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Anyway we’re in a siege situation now. 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻Let’s hope they’re ok in there.

    Am a bit worried they’re gonna go “raize it to the ground” approach with a more “compliant” general.

  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847

    BP have announced they are offloading their 19.75% stake in Rosneft

    At considerable loss. Absolute firesale. RIP shareholders.

    (Again, this was your ESG risk right?)

    Not sure what you mean.
    Having your business heavily invested in Russian oil and having your CEO on a board with Putin is a governance risk (the G in ESG) so you would hope that given every investor in Europe waxes on about doing ESG analysis they should have priced that risk in (they won’t have)

    Ah, I see - thought your post was referring to something I’d previously said, but it is more general.

    Yes, would have thought BP will have considered at some point in time the risk of relations with Russia going sour. If not, that’d be pretty amateurish.

  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648

    BP have announced they are offloading their 19.75% stake in Rosneft

    At considerable loss. Absolute firesale. RIP shareholders.

    (Again, this was your ESG risk right?)
    I don't think they've actually sold it have they? BBC:

    Immediately offloading the stake to a potentially inappropriate buyer was not an option.

    The company has decided to "divest", meaning it will sever its financial ties with Rosneft, stop taking a dividend and step back from its two seats on the board.

    Company officials say it's too soon to say exactly how this stake will be disposed of.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    Would you be able to fact check your Twitter posts? The story is from yesterday, has been denied (meaning little) and isn't reported on any more reliable media.
    Good spot. Probably wrong! I can take it down?
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    I wonder how much talk of nukes it will take before panic buying kicks off again.
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  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    pangolin said:

    BP have announced they are offloading their 19.75% stake in Rosneft

    At considerable loss. Absolute firesale. RIP shareholders.

    (Again, this was your ESG risk right?)
    I don't think they've actually sold it have they? BBC:

    Immediately offloading the stake to a potentially inappropriate buyer was not an option.

    The company has decided to "divest", meaning it will sever its financial ties with Rosneft, stop taking a dividend and step back from its two seats on the board.

    Company officials say it's too soon to say exactly how this stake will be disposed of.

    No, not sold yet, but they will.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited February 2022
    pangolin said:

    BP have announced they are offloading their 19.75% stake in Rosneft

    At considerable loss. Absolute firesale. RIP shareholders.

    (Again, this was your ESG risk right?)
    I don't think they've actually sold it have they? BBC:

    Immediately offloading the stake to a potentially inappropriate buyer was not an option.

    The company has decided to "divest", meaning it will sever its financial ties with Rosneft, stop taking a dividend and step back from its two seats on the board.

    Company officials say it's too soon to say exactly how this stake will be disposed of.


    They’re gonna lose a fortune on it.

    They’ve not sold it yet but it’s a firesale

    BP share price will be hit hard
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    pangolin said:

    I wonder how much talk of nukes it will take before panic buying kicks off again.

    Saw a guy fill up his car and 3 containers with unleaded yesterday.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Outside of Ukraine it’s all eyes on the ruble to see if there is a run on it. Indications so far suggest there will be.

    Lotta pain for a lot of Russians.

    Russian central bank has had a big chunk of its firepower locked up.