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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited May 2022
    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    So if you get an order from on high that amounts to, "Lads, we are going over the top. The weather is good, visibility I great, and we are going over the top. We can't have anyone running, because you might trip. And wear a bright sweater so we don't lose anyone."

    ... I mean stupid question, but how in hell does that play out? As a civilian, if someone else asks me to do something manifestly stupid I only do it if it's their money at stake.

    As neither a leader nor a follower, I really struggle to empathise.

    There was a story (who knows if true) of a Russian commander complaining he was struggling to motivate his troops even after he shot some so I guess that is one way.

    Also stories (also who knows if true) of Wagner group being used to shoot deserters.
    Great stories Rick but save them for the dinner parties.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,110
    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    So if you get an order from on high that amounts to, "Lads, we are going over the top. The weather is good, visibility I great, and we are going over the top. We can't have anyone running, because you might trip. And wear a bright sweater so we don't lose anyone."

    ... I mean stupid question, but how in hell does that play out? As a civilian, if someone else asks me to do something manifestly stupid I only do it if it's their money at stake.

    As neither a leader nor a follower, I really struggle to empathise.

    its a tricky one.

    you follow orders generally - you know its daft, they know its daft, but hey ho, crack, thump, time to earn your pay.....

    HOWEVER

    and this is the big, big one that civvies don't get, you do it for your mates - these are lads and ladies that you've trained with, gone out with, lived with, pulled birds and blokes with, spent 24x367 with.

    You go from the ridiculous to the sublime. Gettingpissed in Cyprus after a week diving and drinking and laughing to shittingin plastic bags hiding in a hedge for a week in Bandit Country, N Ireland knowing that if you get rumbled then its gonna hurt.

    You'll never go out on a sesh or laugh as hard if you haven't Served.

    going in the Services - Army, Navy, Air Force, and I'll include Merchant Navy here - you go to places, do things, experience stuff that you'll never ever do as a civvie.

    Don't get me wrong, you don't like everyone you work with but, when it all goes wrong, you do it for them. Again and again and again....
    So if General Melchit says please could you catch that bullet with one of your internal organs, for no benefit?

    What happens?

    You know he is demented. Your boss knows its demented?
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    I’ve worked with enough Navy lads (subs) Army bods of both sexes (just the two) and then the posh boy flyers, and I can confirm all of the above.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    So if you get an order from on high that amounts to, "Lads, we are going over the top. The weather is good, visibility I great, and we are going over the top. We can't have anyone running, because you might trip. And wear a bright sweater so we don't lose anyone."

    ... I mean stupid question, but how in hell does that play out? As a civilian, if someone else asks me to do something manifestly stupid I only do it if it's their money at stake.

    As neither a leader nor a follower, I really struggle to empathise.

    its a tricky one.

    you follow orders generally - you know its daft, they know its daft, but hey ho, crack, thump, time to earn your pay.....

    HOWEVER

    and this is the big, big one that civvies don't get, you do it for your mates - these are lads and ladies that you've trained with, gone out with, lived with, pulled birds and blokes with, spent 24x367 with.

    You go from the ridiculous to the sublime. Gettingpissed in Cyprus after a week diving and drinking and laughing to shittingin plastic bags hiding in a hedge for a week in Bandit Country, N Ireland knowing that if you get rumbled then its gonna hurt.

    You'll never go out on a sesh or laugh as hard if you haven't Served.

    going in the Services - Army, Navy, Air Force, and I'll include Merchant Navy here - you go to places, do things, experience stuff that you'll never ever do as a civvie.

    Don't get me wrong, you don't like everyone you work with but, when it all goes wrong, you do it for them. Again and again and again....
    So if General Melchit says please could you catch that bullet with one of your internal organs, for no benefit?

    What happens?

    You know he is demented. Your boss knows its demented?
    doesn't affect me. i'm bulletproof.

    but you do it. its your job.

    tbh though, its all moved on from that. you'd have a lot of people going "errr Sir, that ain't gonna work. Lets rethink that"

    its not all down to one fella like in those days - you've got multiple agency intel going in, strategic plans and generally you'll smash things with air support and IDF before sending bods in.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,110
    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    So if you get an order from on high that amounts to, "Lads, we are going over the top. The weather is good, visibility I great, and we are going over the top. We can't have anyone running, because you might trip. And wear a bright sweater so we don't lose anyone."

    ... I mean stupid question, but how in hell does that play out? As a civilian, if someone else asks me to do something manifestly stupid I only do it if it's their money at stake.

    As neither a leader nor a follower, I really struggle to empathise.

    its a tricky one.

    you follow orders generally - you know its daft, they know its daft, but hey ho, crack, thump, time to earn your pay.....

    HOWEVER

    and this is the big, big one that civvies don't get, you do it for your mates - these are lads and ladies that you've trained with, gone out with, lived with, pulled birds and blokes with, spent 24x367 with.

    You go from the ridiculous to the sublime. Gettingpissed in Cyprus after a week diving and drinking and laughing to shittingin plastic bags hiding in a hedge for a week in Bandit Country, N Ireland knowing that if you get rumbled then its gonna hurt.

    You'll never go out on a sesh or laugh as hard if you haven't Served.

    going in the Services - Army, Navy, Air Force, and I'll include Merchant Navy here - you go to places, do things, experience stuff that you'll never ever do as a civvie.

    Don't get me wrong, you don't like everyone you work with but, when it all goes wrong, you do it for them. Again and again and again....
    So if General Melchit says please could you catch that bullet with one of your internal organs, for no benefit?

    What happens?

    You know he is demented. Your boss knows its demented?
    doesn't affect me. i'm bulletproof.

    but you do it. its your job.

    tbh though, its all moved on from that. you'd have a lot of people going "errr Sir, that ain't gonna work. Lets rethink that"

    its not all down to one fella like in those days - you've got multiple agency intel going in, strategic plans and generally you'll smash things with air support and IDF before sending bods in.
    Unless you are Russian, it seems.

    Not sure I can get my head around it.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    So if you get an order from on high that amounts to, "Lads, we are going over the top. The weather is good, visibility I great, and we are going over the top. We can't have anyone running, because you might trip. And wear a bright sweater so we don't lose anyone."

    ... I mean stupid question, but how in hell does that play out? As a civilian, if someone else asks me to do something manifestly stupid I only do it if it's their money at stake.

    As neither a leader nor a follower, I really struggle to empathise.

    its a tricky one.

    you follow orders generally - you know its daft, they know its daft, but hey ho, crack, thump, time to earn your pay.....

    HOWEVER

    and this is the big, big one that civvies don't get, you do it for your mates - these are lads and ladies that you've trained with, gone out with, lived with, pulled birds and blokes with, spent 24x367 with.

    You go from the ridiculous to the sublime. Gettingpissed in Cyprus after a week diving and drinking and laughing to shittingin plastic bags hiding in a hedge for a week in Bandit Country, N Ireland knowing that if you get rumbled then its gonna hurt.

    You'll never go out on a sesh or laugh as hard if you haven't Served.

    going in the Services - Army, Navy, Air Force, and I'll include Merchant Navy here - you go to places, do things, experience stuff that you'll never ever do as a civvie.

    Don't get me wrong, you don't like everyone you work with but, when it all goes wrong, you do it for them. Again and again and again....
    So if General Melchit says please could you catch that bullet with one of your internal organs, for no benefit?

    What happens?

    You know he is demented. Your boss knows its demented?
    doesn't affect me. i'm bulletproof.

    but you do it. its your job.

    tbh though, its all moved on from that. you'd have a lot of people going "errr Sir, that ain't gonna work. Lets rethink that"

    its not all down to one fella like in those days - you've got multiple agency intel going in, strategic plans and generally you'll smash things with air support and IDF before sending bods in.
    Unless you are Russian, it seems.

    Not sure I can get my head around it.
    yeah, its mad. but once you're part of it, its understandable.

    its also why once you've been in, its difficult to really get out - you miss it all.

    its just best not to think too much about the madness.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,110
    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    So if you get an order from on high that amounts to, "Lads, we are going over the top. The weather is good, visibility I great, and we are going over the top. We can't have anyone running, because you might trip. And wear a bright sweater so we don't lose anyone."

    ... I mean stupid question, but how in hell does that play out? As a civilian, if someone else asks me to do something manifestly stupid I only do it if it's their money at stake.

    As neither a leader nor a follower, I really struggle to empathise.

    its a tricky one.

    you follow orders generally - you know its daft, they know its daft, but hey ho, crack, thump, time to earn your pay.....

    HOWEVER

    and this is the big, big one that civvies don't get, you do it for your mates - these are lads and ladies that you've trained with, gone out with, lived with, pulled birds and blokes with, spent 24x367 with.

    You go from the ridiculous to the sublime. Gettingpissed in Cyprus after a week diving and drinking and laughing to shittingin plastic bags hiding in a hedge for a week in Bandit Country, N Ireland knowing that if you get rumbled then its gonna hurt.

    You'll never go out on a sesh or laugh as hard if you haven't Served.

    going in the Services - Army, Navy, Air Force, and I'll include Merchant Navy here - you go to places, do things, experience stuff that you'll never ever do as a civvie.

    Don't get me wrong, you don't like everyone you work with but, when it all goes wrong, you do it for them. Again and again and again....
    So if General Melchit says please could you catch that bullet with one of your internal organs, for no benefit?

    What happens?

    You know he is demented. Your boss knows its demented?
    doesn't affect me. i'm bulletproof.

    but you do it. its your job.

    tbh though, its all moved on from that. you'd have a lot of people going "errr Sir, that ain't gonna work. Lets rethink that"

    its not all down to one fella like in those days - you've got multiple agency intel going in, strategic plans and generally you'll smash things with air support and IDF before sending bods in.
    Unless you are Russian, it seems.

    Not sure I can get my head around it.
    yeah, its mad. but once you're part of it, its understandable.

    its also why once you've been in, its difficult to really get out - you miss it all.

    its just best not to think too much about the madness.
    Closest I ever got was being on a uni rowing crew.

    Not sure its quite the same. Still miss it, mind you.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited May 2022
    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    So if you get an order from on high that amounts to, "Lads, we are going over the top. The weather is good, visibility I great, and we are going over the top. We can't have anyone running, because you might trip. And wear a bright sweater so we don't lose anyone."

    ... I mean stupid question, but how in hell does that play out? As a civilian, if someone else asks me to do something manifestly stupid I only do it if it's their money at stake.

    As neither a leader nor a follower, I really struggle to empathise.

    its a tricky one.

    you follow orders generally - you know its daft, they know its daft, but hey ho, crack, thump, time to earn your pay.....

    HOWEVER

    and this is the big, big one that civvies don't get, you do it for your mates - these are lads and ladies that you've trained with, gone out with, lived with, pulled birds and blokes with, spent 24x367 with.

    You go from the ridiculous to the sublime. Gettingpissed in Cyprus after a week diving and drinking and laughing to shittingin plastic bags hiding in a hedge for a week in Bandit Country, N Ireland knowing that if you get rumbled then its gonna hurt.

    You'll never go out on a sesh or laugh as hard if you haven't Served.

    going in the Services - Army, Navy, Air Force, and I'll include Merchant Navy here - you go to places, do things, experience stuff that you'll never ever do as a civvie.

    Don't get me wrong, you don't like everyone you work with but, when it all goes wrong, you do it for them. Again and again and again....
    So if General Melchit says please could you catch that bullet with one of your internal organs, for no benefit?

    What happens?

    You know he is demented. Your boss knows its demented?
    doesn't affect me. i'm bulletproof.

    but you do it. its your job.

    tbh though, its all moved on from that. you'd have a lot of people going "errr Sir, that ain't gonna work. Lets rethink that"

    its not all down to one fella like in those days - you've got multiple agency intel going in, strategic plans and generally you'll smash things with air support and IDF before sending bods in.
    Unless you are Russian, it seems.

    Not sure I can get my head around it.
    yeah, its mad. but once you're part of it, its understandable.

    its also why once you've been in, its difficult to really get out - you miss it all.

    its just best not to think too much about the madness.
    Closest I ever got was being on a uni rowing crew.

    Not sure its quite the same. Still miss it, mind you.
    tbh, its basically the same, just to a lesser extent.

    Comradeship, laughs, pain, results, victory, disappointment. Getting pisswet cold, hungry, exhausted then your mates grab you through it and you all smile and laugh together.

    Rugby, footy teams - all the same. its all about the bantz.


    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,110
    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    So if you get an order from on high that amounts to, "Lads, we are going over the top. The weather is good, visibility I great, and we are going over the top. We can't have anyone running, because you might trip. And wear a bright sweater so we don't lose anyone."

    ... I mean stupid question, but how in hell does that play out? As a civilian, if someone else asks me to do something manifestly stupid I only do it if it's their money at stake.

    As neither a leader nor a follower, I really struggle to empathise.

    its a tricky one.

    you follow orders generally - you know its daft, they know its daft, but hey ho, crack, thump, time to earn your pay.....

    HOWEVER

    and this is the big, big one that civvies don't get, you do it for your mates - these are lads and ladies that you've trained with, gone out with, lived with, pulled birds and blokes with, spent 24x367 with.

    You go from the ridiculous to the sublime. Gettingpissed in Cyprus after a week diving and drinking and laughing to shittingin plastic bags hiding in a hedge for a week in Bandit Country, N Ireland knowing that if you get rumbled then its gonna hurt.

    You'll never go out on a sesh or laugh as hard if you haven't Served.

    going in the Services - Army, Navy, Air Force, and I'll include Merchant Navy here - you go to places, do things, experience stuff that you'll never ever do as a civvie.

    Don't get me wrong, you don't like everyone you work with but, when it all goes wrong, you do it for them. Again and again and again....
    So if General Melchit says please could you catch that bullet with one of your internal organs, for no benefit?

    What happens?

    You know he is demented. Your boss knows its demented?
    doesn't affect me. i'm bulletproof.

    but you do it. its your job.

    tbh though, its all moved on from that. you'd have a lot of people going "errr Sir, that ain't gonna work. Lets rethink that"

    its not all down to one fella like in those days - you've got multiple agency intel going in, strategic plans and generally you'll smash things with air support and IDF before sending bods in.
    Unless you are Russian, it seems.

    Not sure I can get my head around it.
    yeah, its mad. but once you're part of it, its understandable.

    its also why once you've been in, its difficult to really get out - you miss it all.

    its just best not to think too much about the madness.
    Closest I ever got was being on a uni rowing crew.

    Not sure its quite the same. Still miss it, mind you.
    tbh, its basically the same, just to a lesser extent.

    Comradeship, laughs, pain, results, victory, disappointment. Getting pisswet cold, hungry, exhausted then your mates grab you through it and you all smile and laugh together.

    Rugby, footy teams - all the same. its all about the bantz.


    I mean we hit a goose once, which was well dangerous. Plus that time coach ran into us and we had to pull him out of the water. And the dead cow on the bank. That was harsh.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    So if you get an order from on high that amounts to, "Lads, we are going over the top. The weather is good, visibility I great, and we are going over the top. We can't have anyone running, because you might trip. And wear a bright sweater so we don't lose anyone."

    ... I mean stupid question, but how in hell does that play out? As a civilian, if someone else asks me to do something manifestly stupid I only do it if it's their money at stake.

    As neither a leader nor a follower, I really struggle to empathise.

    its a tricky one.

    you follow orders generally - you know its daft, they know its daft, but hey ho, crack, thump, time to earn your pay.....

    HOWEVER

    and this is the big, big one that civvies don't get, you do it for your mates - these are lads and ladies that you've trained with, gone out with, lived with, pulled birds and blokes with, spent 24x367 with.

    You go from the ridiculous to the sublime. Gettingpissed in Cyprus after a week diving and drinking and laughing to shittingin plastic bags hiding in a hedge for a week in Bandit Country, N Ireland knowing that if you get rumbled then its gonna hurt.

    You'll never go out on a sesh or laugh as hard if you haven't Served.

    going in the Services - Army, Navy, Air Force, and I'll include Merchant Navy here - you go to places, do things, experience stuff that you'll never ever do as a civvie.

    Don't get me wrong, you don't like everyone you work with but, when it all goes wrong, you do it for them. Again and again and again....
    So if General Melchit says please could you catch that bullet with one of your internal organs, for no benefit?

    What happens?

    You know he is demented. Your boss knows its demented?
    doesn't affect me. i'm bulletproof.

    but you do it. its your job.

    tbh though, its all moved on from that. you'd have a lot of people going "errr Sir, that ain't gonna work. Lets rethink that"

    its not all down to one fella like in those days - you've got multiple agency intel going in, strategic plans and generally you'll smash things with air support and IDF before sending bods in.
    Unless you are Russian, it seems.

    Not sure I can get my head around it.
    yeah, its mad. but once you're part of it, its understandable.

    its also why once you've been in, its difficult to really get out - you miss it all.

    its just best not to think too much about the madness.
    Closest I ever got was being on a uni rowing crew.

    Not sure its quite the same. Still miss it, mind you.
    tbh, its basically the same, just to a lesser extent.

    Comradeship, laughs, pain, results, victory, disappointment. Getting pisswet cold, hungry, exhausted then your mates grab you through it and you all smile and laugh together.

    Rugby, footy teams - all the same. its all about the bantz.


    I mean we hit a goose once, which was well dangerous. Plus that time coach ran into us and we had to pull him out of the water. And the dead cow on the bank. That was harsh.
    and how many totallyrubbish hours did you spend in the gym, in the cold, lugging stupid boats abouts, hurting, chatting up other crews, etc.....

    its all about experiences, innit.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,810
    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    MattFalle said:

    First.Aspect said:

    So if you get an order from on high that amounts to, "Lads, we are going over the top. The weather is good, visibility I great, and we are going over the top. We can't have anyone running, because you might trip. And wear a bright sweater so we don't lose anyone."

    ... I mean stupid question, but how in hell does that play out? As a civilian, if someone else asks me to do something manifestly stupid I only do it if it's their money at stake.

    As neither a leader nor a follower, I really struggle to empathise.

    its a tricky one.

    you follow orders generally - you know its daft, they know its daft, but hey ho, crack, thump, time to earn your pay.....

    HOWEVER

    and this is the big, big one that civvies don't get, you do it for your mates - these are lads and ladies that you've trained with, gone out with, lived with, pulled birds and blokes with, spent 24x367 with.

    You go from the ridiculous to the sublime. Gettingpissed in Cyprus after a week diving and drinking and laughing to shittingin plastic bags hiding in a hedge for a week in Bandit Country, N Ireland knowing that if you get rumbled then its gonna hurt.

    You'll never go out on a sesh or laugh as hard if you haven't Served.

    going in the Services - Army, Navy, Air Force, and I'll include Merchant Navy here - you go to places, do things, experience stuff that you'll never ever do as a civvie.

    Don't get me wrong, you don't like everyone you work with but, when it all goes wrong, you do it for them. Again and again and again....
    So if General Melchit says please could you catch that bullet with one of your internal organs, for no benefit?

    What happens?

    You know he is demented. Your boss knows its demented?
    doesn't affect me. i'm bulletproof.

    but you do it. its your job.

    tbh though, its all moved on from that. you'd have a lot of people going "errr Sir, that ain't gonna work. Lets rethink that"

    its not all down to one fella like in those days - you've got multiple agency intel going in, strategic plans and generally you'll smash things with air support and IDF before sending bods in.
    Unless you are Russian, it seems.

    Not sure I can get my head around it.
    yeah, its mad. but once you're part of it, its understandable.

    its also why once you've been in, its difficult to really get out - you miss it all.

    its just best not to think too much about the madness.
    Closest I ever got was being on a uni rowing crew.

    Not sure its quite the same. Still miss it, mind you.
    tbh, its basically the same, just to a lesser extent.

    Comradeship, laughs, pain, results, victory, disappointment. Getting pisswet cold, hungry, exhausted then your mates grab you through it and you all smile and laugh together.

    Rugby, footy teams - all the same. its all about the bantz.


    I mean we hit a goose once, which was well dangerous. Plus that time coach ran into us and we had to pull him out of the water. And the dead cow on the bank. That was harsh.
    and how many totallyrubbish hours did you spend in the gym, in the cold, lugging stupid boats abouts, hurting, chatting up other crews, etc.....

    its all about experiences, innit.
    Sounds like a cycling club could work well for you.

  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,279
    First.Aspect said:

    So if you get an order from on high that amounts to, "Lads, we are going over the top. The weather is good, visibility I great, and we are going over the top. We can't have anyone running, because you might trip. And wear a bright sweater so we don't lose anyone."

    ... I mean stupid question, but how in hell does that play out? As a civilian, if someone else asks me to do something manifestly stupid I only do it if it's their money at stake.

    As neither a leader nor a follower, I really struggle to empathise.

    Quick summary. You are not suited to military life.
    There is a reason the infantry want young and stupid.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    also bear in mind that so much of Service life is totallyshit that unless you laugh you'll cry.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,858
    Horses and course and all that. Sandhurst sounds miserable even for the professionals doing the light version.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited May 2022
    TheBigBean said:

    Horses and course and all that. Sandhurst sounds miserable even for the professionals doing the light version.

    best man management, leadership and project management qual you'll ever get.

    Tarts and Vicars course rocks.

    have RMAS on your cv and you're a winner. sorted for life.

    You come out of it with with no actual experience though - one pips actually start to learn from screws upwards the minute the get to Regt.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,858
    MattFalle said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Horses and course and all that. Sandhurst sounds miserable even for the professionals doing the light version.

    best man management, leadership and project management qual you'll ever get.

    Tarts and Vicars course rocks.

    have RMAS on your cv and you're a winner. sorted for life.

    You come out of it with with no actual experience though - one pips actually start to learn from screws upwards the minute the get to Regt.
    Not for me.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,249
    TheBigBean said:

    MattFalle said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Horses and course and all that. Sandhurst sounds miserable even for the professionals doing the light version.

    best man management, leadership and project management qual you'll ever get.

    Tarts and Vicars course rocks.

    have RMAS on your cv and you're a winner. sorted for life.

    You come out of it with with no actual experience though - one pips actually start to learn from screws upwards the minute the get to Regt.
    Not for me.

    Nor me. I can see why we (still sadly) need people to be prepared to fight & die, and why this type of training is part of that (and am grateful to those who do), but it's not something I could do.
    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    TheBigBean said:

    MattFalle said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Horses and course and all that. Sandhurst sounds miserable even for the professionals doing the light version.

    best man management, leadership and project management qual you'll ever get.

    Tarts and Vicars course rocks.

    have RMAS on your cv and you're a winner. sorted for life.

    You come out of it with with no actual experience though - one pips actually start to learn from screws upwards the minute the get to Regt.
    Not for me.
    yup, not for everyone - agree 100%.

    Horses/courses, innit.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Hurry up and wait
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,691
    MattFalle said:

    .

    going in the Services - Army, Navy, Air Force, and I'll include Merchant Navy here - you go to places, do things, experience stuff that you'll never ever do as a civvie.

    Don't get me wrong, you don't like everyone you work with but, when it all goes wrong, you do it for them. Again and again and again....

    the pay isshit as well, by the way.

    You're making me reconsider my RFA Application...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    ddraver said:

    MattFalle said:

    .

    going in the Services - Army, Navy, Air Force, and I'll include Merchant Navy here - you go to places, do things, experience stuff that you'll never ever do as a civvie.

    Don't get me wrong, you don't like everyone you work with but, when it all goes wrong, you do it for them. Again and again and again....

    the pay isshit as well, by the way.

    You're making me reconsider my RFA Application...
    Air Force deffo. do it do it do it.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461
    MattFalle said:

    ddraver said:

    MattFalle said:

    .

    going in the Services - Army, Navy, Air Force, and I'll include Merchant Navy here - you go to places, do things, experience stuff that you'll never ever do as a civvie.

    Don't get me wrong, you don't like everyone you work with but, when it all goes wrong, you do it for them. Again and again and again....

    the pay isshit as well, by the way.

    You're making me reconsider my RFA Application...
    Air Force deffo. do it do it do it.
    Was it air force or Royal Fleet Auxiliary he was talking about?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Russians driven out of Kharkiv proper ✌🏻

    Those Ukrainian lads are nails, f@ck me.
    _
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,691
    Pross said:

    MattFalle said:

    ddraver said:

    MattFalle said:

    .

    going in the Services - Army, Navy, Air Force, and I'll include Merchant Navy here - you go to places, do things, experience stuff that you'll never ever do as a civvie.

    Don't get me wrong, you don't like everyone you work with but, when it all goes wrong, you do it for them. Again and again and again....

    the pay isshit as well, by the way.

    You're making me reconsider my RFA Application...
    Air Force deffo. do it do it do it.
    Was it air force or Royal Fleet Auxiliary he was talking about?
    Fleet

    Too old for all the real ones... 😕
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,121
    Clearing the daft draft.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    ddraver said:

    Pross said:

    MattFalle said:

    ddraver said:

    MattFalle said:

    .

    going in the Services - Army, Navy, Air Force, and I'll include Merchant Navy here - you go to places, do things, experience stuff that you'll never ever do as a civvie.

    Don't get me wrong, you don't like everyone you work with but, when it all goes wrong, you do it for them. Again and again and again....

    the pay isshit as well, by the way.

    You're making me reconsider my RFA Application...
    Air Force deffo. do it do it do it.
    Was it air force or Royal Fleet Auxiliary he was talking about?
    Fleet

    Too old for all the real ones... 😕
    best do it anyway

    better to burn out not fade away.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,092
    ddraver said:

    Pross said:

    MattFalle said:

    ddraver said:

    MattFalle said:

    .

    going in the Services - Army, Navy, Air Force, and I'll include Merchant Navy here - you go to places, do things, experience stuff that you'll never ever do as a civvie.

    Don't get me wrong, you don't like everyone you work with but, when it all goes wrong, you do it for them. Again and again and again....

    the pay isshit as well, by the way.

    You're making me reconsider my RFA Application...
    Air Force deffo. do it do it do it.
    Was it air force or Royal Fleet Auxiliary he was talking about?
    Fleet

    Too old for all the real ones... 😕

    French Foreign Legion will take recruits up until 40 and you can apply for French citizenship after a few years.
    [Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited May 2022
    DeVlaeminck said:

    ddraver said:

    Pross said:

    MattFalle said:

    ddraver said:

    MattFalle said:

    .

    going in the Services - Army, Navy, Air Force, and I'll include Merchant Navy here - you go to places, do things, experience stuff that you'll never ever do as a civvie.

    Don't get me wrong, you don't like everyone you work with but, when it all goes wrong, you do it for them. Again and again and again....

    the pay isshit as well, by the way.

    You're making me reconsider my RFA Application...
    Air Force deffo. do it do it do it.
    Was it air force or Royal Fleet Auxiliary he was talking about?
    Fleet

    Too old for all the real ones... 😕

    French Foreign Legion will take recruits up until 40 and you can apply for French citizenship after a few years.
    39 and 364 days, and the criminal record bit isn't what it used to be - ie they don't take everyone anymore.

    Its an, errr, interesting career. Where ypu end up depends on whether ypu go 1ere, 2eme or 3iseme. La Legion isn't really for everyone. Don't expect various trade training, engineer or airborne soldier, no chance of commissioning.

    I'm presuming you're not ex Reg so engineer. You'll join lesFuckings.

    5 year contracts, extendable thereon. You get your nom de guerre when signing on, French citizenship and residency is earned.

    Give it a bash, why not. Really nothing to lose. Boots areshit, food is better.



    #kepi
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • JimD666
    JimD666 Posts: 2,293
    Putin starting to look like he'll be up for European and NATO statesman of the year.

    No one else has done as much to foster improved relations and co-operation within both areas in years!

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