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  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    I see that while rapidly retreating from the UF over the Donets river the Russians managed to get over 50 vehicles blown up, including tanks, APCs and trucks, plus the pontoon bridges they were using were taken out, and a f*cking tugboat as well!



    They also managed to blow up a bridge while their own vehicles were on it earlier in the week.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    rick_chasey said:


    Seems to be related to where those tanks store the ammo I believe?

    The new Russian tanks separate where the ammo is stored.

    Autoloaders pretty much dictate that the ammo is stored in a carousel around the turret. T-90 is the same, as is the T-14.

  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    rick_chasey said:

    thegreatdivide said:

    They found one stuck in a block of flats recently.

    This what they do when they hit the ground.


    Seems to be related to where those tanks store the ammo I believe?

    The new Russian tanks separate where the ammo is stored.
    it still has to be stored somewhere where it is instantly accesible and easy to re-plen - if its not auto fed then it has to be to hand for the gunner.

    either way, the gun is at the top of the tank so that is where the rounds are.

    drop any large explosive device on top of a tank and its gonna go up, this is major part of why you'll never find me in one
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,279
    MattFalle said:



    drop any large explosive device on top of a tank and its gonna go up, this is major part of why you'll never find me in one

    I was given a guided tour round Fort Bragg during Iraq v1 by a friend who had gotten himself promoted high up. Even they referred to their tanks as rolling coffins. Not a pleasant place to sit during a sunny day either.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    pblakeney said:

    MattFalle said:



    drop any large explosive device on top of a tank and its gonna go up, this is major part of why you'll never find me in one

    I was given a guided tour round Fort Bragg during Iraq v1 by a friend who had gotten himself promoted high up. Even they referred to their tanks as rolling coffins. Not a pleasant place to sit during a sunny day either.
    tbh, its not the blowing up thats the bad point.

    its either being trapped in there and being burnt alive or drowned if you end up in a river/lake/ditch or when a projectile goes straight through - say left to right - it creates such a mad pressure that its sucks people out, same as being sucked through an aeroplane window.

    sll a bitshit really.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,121
    Yep. I know they started it and all that and the soldiers signed up to the Military for many reasons. It's still some poor young sod who's life is cut short though.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    focuszing723 said:

    Yep. I know they started it and all that and the soldiers signed up to the Military for many reasons. It's still some poor young sod who's life is cut short though.

    It's three potential r4pists and murderers.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,121
    thegreatdivide said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Yep. I know they started it and all that and the soldiers signed up to the Military for many reasons. It's still some poor young sod who's life is cut short though.

    It's three potential r4pists and murderers.
    I would imagine there are still some decent blokes/people amongst them, who have been ordered/conditioned to fight someone else's battle.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    thegreatdivide said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Yep. I know they started it and all that and the soldiers signed up to the Military for many reasons. It's still some poor young sod who's life is cut short though.

    It's three potential r4pists and murderers.
    you can say that about any workplace tbh
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    MattFalle said:

    thegreatdivide said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Yep. I know they started it and all that and the soldiers signed up to the Military for many reasons. It's still some poor young sod who's life is cut short though.

    It's three potential r4pists and murderers.
    you can say that about any workplace tbh
    True - the ladies at the florists down the road look like total wronguns.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,279
    thegreatdivide said:

    MattFalle said:

    thegreatdivide said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Yep. I know they started it and all that and the soldiers signed up to the Military for many reasons. It's still some poor young sod who's life is cut short though.

    It's three potential r4pists and murderers.
    you can say that about any workplace tbh
    True - the ladies at the florists down the road look like total wronguns.
    Compost the bodies. A perfect cover up. 😉
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    MattFalle said:

    thegreatdivide said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Yep. I know they started it and all that and the soldiers signed up to the Military for many reasons. It's still some poor young sod who's life is cut short though.

    It's three potential r4pists and murderers.
    you can say that about any workplace tbh
    that theory works for the HoC
  • HilaryAmin
    HilaryAmin Posts: 160
    Battlefield wisdom - never look inside a trashed tank.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    MattFalle said:

    thegreatdivide said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Yep. I know they started it and all that and the soldiers signed up to the Military for many reasons. It's still some poor young sod who's life is cut short though.

    It's three potential r4pists and murderers.
    you can say that about any workplace tbh
    that theory works for the HoC
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    HilaryAmin said:

    Battlefield wisdom - never look inside a trashed tank.

    Bear in mind, projectile will go through and out leaving a hole the size of an aero plane window, so there’s a lot of fella being sucked through not a lot of hole.

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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,092
    thegreatdivide said:

    MattFalle said:

    thegreatdivide said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Yep. I know they started it and all that and the soldiers signed up to the Military for many reasons. It's still some poor young sod who's life is cut short though.

    It's three potential r4pists and murderers.
    you can say that about any workplace tbh
    True - the ladies at the florists down the road look like total wronguns.

    It's your duty to take them out with a preemptive strike.
    [Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Order a load of triffids.

    That'll do it.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    edited May 2022
    thegreatdivide said:

    I see that while rapidly retreating from the UF over the Donets river the Russians managed to get over 50 vehicles blown up, including tanks, APCs and trucks, plus the pontoon bridges they were using were taken out, and a f*cking tugboat as well!



    They also managed to blow up a bridge while their own vehicles were on it earlier in the week.
    Turns out they destroyed an entire Battalion Tactical Group.

    MF that’s bad innit? That’s a sackable offence? Worse that a bit of pron on the work computer?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/13/ukraine-has-repelled-russias-attempt-to-cross-donbas-river-uk-confirms?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited May 2022
    thegreatdivide said:

    thegreatdivide said:

    I see that while rapidly retreating from the UF over the Donets river the Russians managed to get over 50 vehicles blown up, including tanks, APCs and trucks, plus the pontoon bridges they were using were taken out, and a f*cking tugboat as well!



    They also managed to blow up a bridge while their own vehicles were on it earlier in the week.
    Turns out they destroyed an entire Battalion Tactical Group.

    MF that’s bad innit? That’s a sackable offence? Worse that a bit of pron on the work computer?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/13/ukraine-has-repelled-russias-attempt-to-cross-donbas-river-uk-confirms?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    yeah, i'd agree that's AGAI action.

    Whoever was in charge of that little set up ain't picking up this year. He's definitly in the Faux Pas box and definitly ringing the bell in the Mess.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited May 2022
    Tbh, though, its a blimmin' dangerous and risky thing to do - chucking bridges around (technical term for this set up is a MGB - medium girder bridge and HGOB - Heavy Girder Over Bridge) - is blimmin' hard, heavy and sweaty work.

    I've been part of teams building these before and, essentially, you're a sitting duck unless you've got mage protection, which the Russians haven't.

    Still, couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of fellas.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited May 2022
    MGOB building in perfect conditions - all stupid heavy big pieces of metal that'll slice your fingers/hands off

    now do that in the dark, cold, wet whilst drones dropshit on you and people shoot at you

    https://youtu.be/iTEh18HPWH0

    #chooseyourtrade
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    I was about to say. Hefty digit damage if you’re in a hurry. ‘Watch ma thumbs lads!’.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    The ramps (pointy bits) aren't too bad - two man lift or, if you're tidy, we used to chuck them around ourselves, one man.

    the actual bridge panels (big square things) are a heavy , four man lift.

    bank seat beams - long things either end - 8 man , weigh a friggin' ton. don't drop that on yourself.

    then fingers imbetween each panel putting pins and bits in, so many moving parts its a 'mare
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    bear in mind if thr Russians have just lost a whole load of engineers thats their water supply, sanitation, EOD, road mending, dems specialists all gone. Plus a shedload of combat arm troops.

    infanteers are great at fighting but they can't do sod all else.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,110
    So if you get an order from on high that amounts to, "Lads, we are going over the top. The weather is good, visibility I great, and we are going over the top. We can't have anyone running, because you might trip. And wear a bright sweater so we don't lose anyone."

    ... I mean stupid question, but how in hell does that play out? As a civilian, if someone else asks me to do something manifestly stupid I only do it if it's their money at stake.

    As neither a leader nor a follower, I really struggle to empathise.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    First.Aspect said:

    So if you get an order from on high that amounts to, "Lads, we are going over the top. The weather is good, visibility I great, and we are going over the top. We can't have anyone running, because you might trip. And wear a bright sweater so we don't lose anyone."

    ... I mean stupid question, but how in hell does that play out? As a civilian, if someone else asks me to do something manifestly stupid I only do it if it's their money at stake.

    As neither a leader nor a follower, I really struggle to empathise.

    There was a story (who knows if true) of a Russian commander complaining he was struggling to motivate his troops even after he shot some so I guess that is one way.

    Also stories (also who knows if true) of Wagner group being used to shoot deserters.
    _
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,110
    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    So if you get an order from on high that amounts to, "Lads, we are going over the top. The weather is good, visibility I great, and we are going over the top. We can't have anyone running, because you might trip. And wear a bright sweater so we don't lose anyone."

    ... I mean stupid question, but how in hell does that play out? As a civilian, if someone else asks me to do something manifestly stupid I only do it if it's their money at stake.

    As neither a leader nor a follower, I really struggle to empathise.

    There was a story (who knows if true) of a Russian commander complaining he was struggling to motivate his troops even after he shot some so I guess that is one way.

    Also stories (also who knows if true) of Wagner group being used to shoot deserters.
    You know, that might persuade me to put a bright red jumper on.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    Well it turns out that because Moon Face hasn’t called this a war, his minions can legally say ‘nah, I’m not going ta’. And they either get a fine, or they get sent somewhere else. There are lawyers In Russia doing major overtime sorting them out.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,110
    thegreatdivide said:

    Well it turns out that because Moon Face hasn’t called this a war, his minions can legally say ‘nah, I’m not going ta’. And they either get a fine, or they get sent somewhere else. There are lawyers In Russia doing major overtime sorting them out.

    Interesting. He had the chance on Monday to change that.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited May 2022
    First.Aspect said:

    So if you get an order from on high that amounts to, "Lads, we are going over the top. The weather is good, visibility I great, and we are going over the top. We can't have anyone running, because you might trip. And wear a bright sweater so we don't lose anyone."

    ... I mean stupid question, but how in hell does that play out? As a civilian, if someone else asks me to do something manifestly stupid I only do it if it's their money at stake.

    As neither a leader nor a follower, I really struggle to empathise.

    its a tricky one.

    you follow orders generally - you know its daft, they know its daft, but hey ho, crack, thump, time to earn your pay.....

    HOWEVER

    and this is the big, big one that civvies don't get, you do it for your mates - these are lads and ladies that you've trained with, gone out with, lived with, pulled birds and blokes with, spent 24x367 with.

    You go from the ridiculous to the sublime. Gettingpissed in Cyprus after a week diving and drinking and laughing to shittingin plastic bags hiding in a hedge for a week in Bandit Country, N Ireland knowing that if you get rumbled then its gonna hurt.

    busting drug cartels in the jungle in Belize followed by days sleeping and drinking and laughing at Cay Caulker? Yip.

    You'll never go out on a sesh or laugh as hard if you haven't Served.

    going in the Services - Army, Navy, Air Force, and I'll include Merchant Navy here - you go to places, do things, experience stuff that you'll never ever do as a civvie.

    Don't get me wrong, you don't like everyone you work with but, when it all goes wrong, you do it for them. Again and again and again....

    the pay isshit as well, by the way.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.

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