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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,307
    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    mrb123 said:



    Spot the odd one out...

    The one named by the Kremlin as the most active anti-Russian leader?
    https://telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/24/ukraine-war-latest-russia-news-putin-peace-nato-zelensky/
    They're hardly going to out him as 'our man in Westminster' are they?
    You're saying that Boris is a Russian agent and the Kremlin is slagging him off so as not to blow his cover? :smile:
    Bought and paid for.
    Nice one. Evidence?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,307
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    mrb123 said:



    Spot the odd one out...

    The one named by the Kremlin as the most active anti-Russian leader?
    https://telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/24/ukraine-war-latest-russia-news-putin-peace-nato-zelensky/
    Oh, well if that's what the Kremlin says...
    Another one who swallows the theories about about Boris being a Kremlin undercover agent. Bit gullible?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,427
    edited March 2022
    This is a really good idea

    Worth clicking through to the thread

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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,307
    shirley_basso said:

    Reference my point above.

    It plays well into their hands that they can get the UK press to say how awful the UK's sanctions are, when it turns out all the oligarchs put their assets into blind trusts / sold them / moved them prior to the sanctions being enforced.

    Nice smoke and mirrors to defend the Tories (who are financed to the tune of c.£2m by russian oligarchs and have Lord in the HoL)

    Nice one. Got any real evidence for this? Pretty sure oligarchs who are smart an ruthless enough to amass fortunes in the way they did coukd see which way the wind was blowing and take evasive action. Although seems quite a few didn't, just doing by the value of frozen assets recently reported.

    More leftiebollox tin foil hat stuff IMO.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    mrb123 said:



    Spot the odd one out...

    The one named by the Kremlin as the most active anti-Russian leader?
    https://telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/24/ukraine-war-latest-russia-news-putin-peace-nato-zelensky/
    Oh, well if that's what the Kremlin says...
    Another one who swallows the theories about about Boris being a Kremlin undercover agent. Bit gullible?
    There's more evidence to suggest that he is - and not so much evidence to suggest he isn't. Personally, I think it highly likely that the Russians have kompromat on him.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,691


    (stop doing it and I'll stop doing it...)
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,307
    ddraver said:



    (stop doing it and I'll stop doing it...)

    Ah, Mr. Sealion - I've been expecting you.

    Please do explain how I am sealioning here.

    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,691
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sealioning-internet-trolling#:~:text=Sealioning is a harassment tactic,point where they appear unreasonable.
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,495
    edited March 2022
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    mrb123 said:



    Spot the odd one out...

    The one named by the Kremlin as the most active anti-Russian leader?
    https://telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/24/ukraine-war-latest-russia-news-putin-peace-nato-zelensky/
    Oh, well if that's what the Kremlin says...
    Another one who swallows the theories about about Boris being a Kremlin undercover agent. Bit gullible?
    Err, no. Just not taking the word of the Kremlin seriously.

    Try not to project so much.

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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,307
    ddraver said:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sealioning-internet-trolling#:~:text=Sealioning is a harassment tactic,point where they appear unreasonable.

    In your own words here. Don't be a lazy poster.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    Lol I see we're back at being the crazy ones for not taking our friends in the Kremlin at their word.
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    - Dolan Tuono
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,307
    I was expecting you as well. I'll have a full house soon :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,307
    Roll up, roll up, limited spaces under the bridge ;)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,495
    Slow day, is it?
    🥱
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,691
    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sealioning-internet-trolling#:~:text=Sealioning is a harassment tactic,point where they appear unreasonable.

    In your own words here. Don't be a lazy poster.
    Thought I'd make it as simple as possible for you :)
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    imposter2.0 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    mrb123 said:



    Spot the odd one out...

    The one named by the Kremlin as the most active anti-Russian leader?
    https://telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/24/ukraine-war-latest-russia-news-putin-peace-nato-zelensky/
    Oh, well if that's what the Kremlin says...
    Another one who swallows the theories about about Boris being a Kremlin undercover agent. Bit gullible?
    There's more evidence to suggest that he is - and not so much evidence to suggest he isn't. Personally, I think it highly likely that the Russians have kompromat on him.
    To be compromised would he not need to be embarrassed by his behaviour. Cue the honey trap operation that failed when the guy asked for copies of the photos so he could brag about the standard of female he had bedded.
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    I can't tell if Stevo is being thick, trolling or hideously in denial and just loves to deflect.
    Stevo_666 said:

    shirley_basso said:

    Reference my point above.

    It plays well into their hands that they can get the UK press to say how awful the UK's sanctions are, when it turns out all the oligarchs put their assets into blind trusts / sold them / moved them prior to the sanctions being enforced.

    Nice smoke and mirrors to defend the Tories (who are financed to the tune of c.£2m by russian oligarchs and have Lord in the HoL)

    Nice one. Got any real evidence for this? Pretty sure oligarchs who are smart an ruthless enough to amass fortunes in the way they did coukd see which way the wind was blowing and take evasive action. Although seems quite a few didn't, just doing by the value of frozen assets recently reported.

    More leftiebollox tin foil hat stuff IMO.
    There is lots of evidence to support it all of the above - russian donors, russians paying to spend time with tory politicians, boris going to an oligarcs party without his secturiy detail and sleeping in his clothes, tories not applying immediate sanctions to oligarchs. The right wing media are quick to publish kremlin news and the left to ignore it. Given most of russia is educated by russian controlled media, the russian news channel has had its ofcom licence revoked for being branded as propoganda.

    Frankly i'm embarassed for you for exercising so little critical thinking (seems a recurring theme) and at myself for wasting my time typing the above.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited March 2022
    rick_chasey said:

    pinno said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    shirley_basso said:

    A constant reminder that this is only going in one direction and it's a good way for NATO to 'show up' without showing up (for understandable reasons)

    Not being obtuse but what is that direction?

    I still 4 options;
    Ceasefire with Ukraine losing lots of land
    Ukraine lose all land east of Dnieper
    Borders return to last year
    Borders return to pre 2014
    Option 5:
    Japan lobs a few missiles at Vladivostok.
    Also, tell the Taliban that there's women being educated in Southern Russia.
    Is that a serious option? I mean,
    MattFalle said:

    TheBigBean said:

    MattFalle said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:


    Me too, but I don't have enough understanding of the country or its history. As a whole they seem a lot more stoic than us lot, I know that much.

    What makes you say that? I'm all for dumping on Brits, but I really don't think this is deserved.
    People are people, but they've had a bit more to put up with over the years so are more tempered, perhaps.
    Brits really are an island mentality and I think they often forget how much being an island affects the collective psyche, not least in this context as the threat of invasion is always a long long way away.

    But in that context I think the Brits militarily anyway are fairly stoic. It's a professional army and we can slate it till the cows come home (and I certainly have, especially their performance in Afghanistan), but I think the actual men (and women) themselves are a pretty hardy lot, even if the support, kit and leadership is lacking.

    Brits are a warrior nation.
    wtaf are you on about Rick?

    And pray, tell me your opinion on the performance Afghan. I'm intrigued to read your insights.
    Failure to read the history books.
    Rick's actually ready to state his opinion on the military performance and stoic attitude if the fine hardy women and men in the Forces, although I do have an inkling he's likely to leave a pub if he ses 5 people together with short hair, so lets see what he says.
    So from what I've read it sounds like the top brass didn't really understand the situation, and the very fast rotation of troops and units, including leaders, in and out led to a lot of discontinuity - something the yanks didn't do, for example.

    There seems to have been a high amount of hubris going into the war about the UK's capability for 'hearts and minds' and other counter-insurgency which turned out to be so misplaced the Americans had to bail them out on multiple occasions

    There is issues around kit and Brits getting a rep for begging and borrowing all sorts of yank equipment.

    There is also an issue that reports of small groups of units going rogue re doctrine and basically committing war crimes which were *then* not followed up on by leadership, all the way to the top, hence you ended up with situations like that "shuffle off this mortal coil" video, more often that was even close to being necessary.

    I think generally the Brits went in under prepared, under-provided, over-confident and didn't have the right procedures or kit in place to adjust to the situation and it sounds like the Yanks lost a lot of respect for the quality of the overall fighting force.

    a facet of right, a facet of not quite and so, so so utterly wrong if you think there were rogue units.

    6 month tours with 3 month PDT were long enough to get embedded, get the job done and get out before your head got even messed up than it di. double tours, extensions, etc were common. if you think tours should be longer you're showing less military understanding than i previously thought you had.

    "more even than was close necessary"? clueless. it wasn't a fuckingpicnic.


    Camp Breadbasket was an isolated affair and you're about as far from possible re understanding Marine A. I'd walk away from that one as you are utterly clueless. Its a very, very tender topic and actually used as a case study.

    so overall, i'll give you a middle class dinner party expert 6/10.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,873
    MattFalle said:

    rick_chasey said:

    pinno said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    shirley_basso said:

    A constant reminder that this is only going in one direction and it's a good way for NATO to 'show up' without showing up (for understandable reasons)

    Not being obtuse but what is that direction?

    I still 4 options;
    Ceasefire with Ukraine losing lots of land
    Ukraine lose all land east of Dnieper
    Borders return to last year
    Borders return to pre 2014
    Option 5:
    Japan lobs a few missiles at Vladivostok.
    Also, tell the Taliban that there's women being educated in Southern Russia.
    Is that a serious option? I mean,
    MattFalle said:

    TheBigBean said:

    MattFalle said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:


    Me too, but I don't have enough understanding of the country or its history. As a whole they seem a lot more stoic than us lot, I know that much.

    What makes you say that? I'm all for dumping on Brits, but I really don't think this is deserved.
    People are people, but they've had a bit more to put up with over the years so are more tempered, perhaps.
    Brits really are an island mentality and I think they often forget how much being an island affects the collective psyche, not least in this context as the threat of invasion is always a long long way away.

    But in that context I think the Brits militarily anyway are fairly stoic. It's a professional army and we can slate it till the cows come home (and I certainly have, especially their performance in Afghanistan), but I think the actual men (and women) themselves are a pretty hardy lot, even if the support, kit and leadership is lacking.

    Brits are a warrior nation.
    wtaf are you on about Rick?

    And pray, tell me your opinion on the performance Afghan. I'm intrigued to read your insights.
    Failure to read the history books.
    Rick's actually ready to state his opinion on the military performance and stoic attitude if the fine hardy women and men in the Forces, although I do have an inkling he's likely to leave a pub if he ses 5 people together with short hair, so lets see what he says.
    So from what I've read it sounds like the top brass didn't really understand the situation, and the very fast rotation of troops and units, including leaders, in and out led to a lot of discontinuity - something the yanks didn't do, for example.

    There seems to have been a high amount of hubris going into the war about the UK's capability for 'hearts and minds' and other counter-insurgency which turned out to be so misplaced the Americans had to bail them out on multiple occasions

    There is issues around kit and Brits getting a rep for begging and borrowing all sorts of yank equipment.

    There is also an issue that reports of small groups of units going rogue re doctrine and basically committing war crimes which were *then* not followed up on by leadership, all the way to the top, hence you ended up with situations like that "shuffle off this mortal coil" video, more often that was even close to being necessary.

    I think generally the Brits went in under prepared, under-provided, over-confident and didn't have the right procedures or kit in place to adjust to the situation and it sounds like the Yanks lost a lot of respect for the quality of the overall fighting force.

    a facet of right, a facet of not quite and so, so so utterly wrong if you think there were rogue units.

    6 month tours with 3 month PDT were long enough to get embedded, get the job done and get out before your head got even messed up than it di. double tours, extensions, etc were common. if you think tours should be longer you're showing less military understanding than i previously thought you had.

    "more even than was close necessary"? clueless. it wasn't a fuckingpicnic.


    Camp Breadbasket was an isolated affair and you're about as far from possible re understanding Marine A. I'd walk away from that one as you are utterly clueless. Its a very, very tender topic and actually used as a case study.

    so overall, i'll give you a middle class dinner party expert 6/10.
    At what level do you need to be in the army to be allowed to formulate a view on whether the military action is being done well? For example, most that I have met never questioned why they were occupying another country or the legal justification for doing so. They just followed orders.

    One did tell me about his latest training where was required to think outside the box, but strictly within the parameters of another box. He was probably the most enlightened.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,495
    Senior to MF 😏
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  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    edited March 2022
    john80 said:

    imposter2.0 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    mrb123 said:



    Spot the odd one out...

    The one named by the Kremlin as the most active anti-Russian leader?
    https://telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/24/ukraine-war-latest-russia-news-putin-peace-nato-zelensky/
    Oh, well if that's what the Kremlin says...
    Another one who swallows the theories about about Boris being a Kremlin undercover agent. Bit gullible?
    There's more evidence to suggest that he is - and not so much evidence to suggest he isn't. Personally, I think it highly likely that the Russians have kompromat on him.
    To be compromised would he not need to be embarrassed by his behaviour. Cue the honey trap operation that failed when the guy asked for copies of the photos so he could brag about the standard of female he had bedded.
    No, not really. The guy is shameless, we already know that. If he cared about stuff like that, he might try a bit harder to look less like a sack of sh11t all the time. While he might not care about his own behaviour, I'm sure the Tory 'moral majority' would have something to say.

    I'm sure the Lebedev family didn't invite spaffer to their Italian mansion for the weekend "with girls" because they liked his company.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    TheBigBean said:

    MattFalle said:

    rick_chasey said:

    pinno said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    shirley_basso said:

    A constant reminder that this is only going in one direction and it's a good way for NATO to 'show up' without showing up (for understandable reasons)

    Not being obtuse but what is that direction?

    I still 4 options;
    Ceasefire with Ukraine losing lots of land
    Ukraine lose all land east of Dnieper
    Borders return to last year
    Borders return to pre 2014
    Option 5:
    Japan lobs a few missiles at Vladivostok.
    Also, tell the Taliban that there's women being educated in Southern Russia.
    Is that a serious option? I mean,
    MattFalle said:

    TheBigBean said:

    MattFalle said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:


    Me too, but I don't have enough understanding of the country or its history. As a whole they seem a lot more stoic than us lot, I know that much.

    What makes you say that? I'm all for dumping on Brits, but I really don't think this is deserved.
    People are people, but they've had a bit more to put up with over the years so are more tempered, perhaps.
    Brits really are an island mentality and I think they often forget how much being an island affects the collective psyche, not least in this context as the threat of invasion is always a long long way away.

    But in that context I think the Brits militarily anyway are fairly stoic. It's a professional army and we can slate it till the cows come home (and I certainly have, especially their performance in Afghanistan), but I think the actual men (and women) themselves are a pretty hardy lot, even if the support, kit and leadership is lacking.

    Brits are a warrior nation.
    wtaf are you on about Rick?

    And pray, tell me your opinion on the performance Afghan. I'm intrigued to read your insights.
    Failure to read the history books.
    Rick's actually ready to state his opinion on the military performance and stoic attitude if the fine hardy women and men in the Forces, although I do have an inkling he's likely to leave a pub if he ses 5 people together with short hair, so lets see what he says.
    So from what I've read it sounds like the top brass didn't really understand the situation, and the very fast rotation of troops and units, including leaders, in and out led to a lot of discontinuity - something the yanks didn't do, for example.

    There seems to have been a high amount of hubris going into the war about the UK's capability for 'hearts and minds' and other counter-insurgency which turned out to be so misplaced the Americans had to bail them out on multiple occasions

    There is issues around kit and Brits getting a rep for begging and borrowing all sorts of yank equipment.

    There is also an issue that reports of small groups of units going rogue re doctrine and basically committing war crimes which were *then* not followed up on by leadership, all the way to the top, hence you ended up with situations like that "shuffle off this mortal coil" video, more often that was even close to being necessary.

    I think generally the Brits went in under prepared, under-provided, over-confident and didn't have the right procedures or kit in place to adjust to the situation and it sounds like the Yanks lost a lot of respect for the quality of the overall fighting force.

    a facet of right, a facet of not quite and so, so so utterly wrong if you think there were rogue units.

    6 month tours with 3 month PDT were long enough to get embedded, get the job done and get out before your head got even messed up than it di. double tours, extensions, etc were common. if you think tours should be longer you're showing less military understanding than i previously thought you had.

    "more even than was close necessary"? clueless. it wasn't a fuckingpicnic.


    Camp Breadbasket was an isolated affair and you're about as far from possible re understanding Marine A. I'd walk away from that one as you are utterly clueless. Its a very, very tender topic and actually used as a case study.

    so overall, i'll give you a middle class dinner party expert 6/10.
    At what level do you need to be in the army to be allowed to formulate a view on whether the military action is being done well? For example, most that I have met never questioned why they were occupying another country or the legal justification for doing so. They just followed orders.

    One did tell me about his latest training where was required to think outside the box, but strictly within the parameters of another box. He was probably the most enlightened.
    everyone has an opinion but generally you get quite a good picture of whats occuring because everyone across theatre talks to each, you have social media, papers, tv, local atmospherics, whether ypu're getting shot at every frigging day or not

    you'll know why you are somewhere doing something because you get briefed on it all. you'll get the full background, just not your exact bits.

    also depends on your rank - rifleman won't know the full picture, screw will know some, one pip more, etc. its wjy you tend to follow orders - you'll do what you do in your sector because you don't know what someone else may or may not be doing.

    yeah - normal units: don't think outside the box guys. its not good for you.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    rjsterry said:

    Senior to MF 😏

    well, i have a lot of people under me but yup, a lot of people above me.

    keeps my paperwork down.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,495
    edited March 2022
    FWIW, it's genuinely interesting to hear 'expert' views on all subjects but if we never commented outside our field this place would be very quiet. Other 'general public' opinions are interesting as well even when not fully informed on every detail.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,691
    More signs on twitter that it might be looking better.

    People moving back to Kyiv and shops opening up again for example.

    Still don't want to let my hopes get up but...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    rjsterry said:

    FWIW, it's genuinely interesting to hear 'expert' views on all subjects but if we never commented outside our field this place would be very quiet. Other 'general public' opinions are interesting as well even when not fully informed on every detail.

    Oh, you’re an expert on internet traffic now are you?
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,272
    ^ cross fingers.
    There are signs that Ukraine is resisting way beyond what was initially imagined.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    pinno said:

    ^ cross fingers.
    There are signs that Ukraine is resisting way beyond what was initially imagined.

    this, totally. utterly surreal and utterly, utterly brilliant.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,307
    ddraver said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sealioning-internet-trolling#:~:text=Sealioning is a harassment tactic,point where they appear unreasonable.

    In your own words here. Don't be a lazy poster.
    Thought I'd make it as simple as possible for you :)
    You posted a definition, not why you thought my request for evidence was sealioning. Try again.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,307
    edited March 2022
    shirley_basso said:

    I can't tell if Stevo is being thick, trolling or hideously in denial and just loves to deflect.

    Stevo_666 said:

    shirley_basso said:

    Reference my point above.

    It plays well into their hands that they can get the UK press to say how awful the UK's sanctions are, when it turns out all the oligarchs put their assets into blind trusts / sold them / moved them prior to the sanctions being enforced.

    Nice smoke and mirrors to defend the Tories (who are financed to the tune of c.£2m by russian oligarchs and have Lord in the HoL)

    Nice one. Got any real evidence for this? Pretty sure oligarchs who are smart an ruthless enough to amass fortunes in the way they did coukd see which way the wind was blowing and take evasive action. Although seems quite a few didn't, just doing by the value of frozen assets recently reported.

    More leftiebollox tin foil hat stuff IMO.
    There is lots of evidence to support it all of the above - russian donors, russians paying to spend time with tory politicians, boris going to an oligarcs party without his secturiy detail and sleeping in his clothes, tories not applying immediate sanctions to oligarchs. The right wing media are quick to publish kremlin news and the left to ignore it. Given most of russia is educated by russian controlled media, the russian news channel has had its ofcom licence revoked for being branded as propoganda.

    Frankly i'm embarassed for you for exercising so little critical thinking (seems a recurring theme) and at myself for wasting my time typing the above.
    As far as I can see you believe what you want to believe and interpret the facts to suit your views. Then claim that people who take a different view based on the facts are not exercising critical thinking. That's a lack of critical thinking in itself, but you appear to be unable to spot that.

    What say above is at best circumstantial, especially in the light if current sanctions and aid to Ukraine.

    So show me some hard evidence to back up your claims.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]

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