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kingstongraham

ddraver said:

(the joker in the Netherlands pack is what they decide to do with Groningen...)

Interesting. Simplistically, they need to decide how much gas to extract, because of concerns over the resulting earthquakes?

rick_chasey

kingstongraham said:

ddraver said:

(the joker in the Netherlands pack is what they decide to do with Groningen...)

Interesting. Simplistically, they need to decide how much gas to extract, because of concerns over the resulting earthquakes?

And Net Zero ambitions.

Can’t demand the world use less co2 to stop the country flooding when you’re busy drilling loads of gas.

Netherlands is uniquely exposed to rising sea levels

kingstongraham

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

ddraver said:

(the joker in the Netherlands pack is what they decide to do with Groningen...)

Interesting. Simplistically, they need to decide how much gas to extract, because of concerns over the resulting earthquakes?

And Net Zero ambitions.

Can’t demand the world use less co2 to stop the country flooding when you’re busy drilling loads of gas.

Netherlands is uniquely exposed to rising sea levels

If all you're doing is importing more, it doesn't really make much difference if you stop extracting it yourself.

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

ddraver said:

(the joker in the Netherlands pack is what they decide to do with Groningen...)

Interesting. Simplistically, they need to decide how much gas to extract, because of concerns over the resulting earthquakes?

And Net Zero ambitions.

Can’t demand the world use less co2 to stop the country flooding when you’re busy drilling loads of gas.

Netherlands is uniquely exposed to rising sea levels

If I was a millionaire/billionaire I'd be reconsidering my UAE waterfront property options.
Just a pretty example. There are a multitude of populations at low sea level.

shirley_basso

Bangladesh highly exposed to rising sea levels.

pangolin

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

ddraver said:

(the joker in the Netherlands pack is what they decide to do with Groningen...)

Interesting. Simplistically, they need to decide how much gas to extract, because of concerns over the resulting earthquakes?

And Net Zero ambitions.

Can’t demand the world use less co2 to stop the country flooding when you’re busy drilling loads of gas.

Netherlands is uniquely exposed to rising sea levels

If I was a millionaire/billionaire I'd be reconsidering my UAE waterfront property options.
Just a pretty example. There are a multitude of populations at low sea level.

Isn't that an artist's impression? I didn't think they ended up that developed.

pblakeney

pangolin said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

ddraver said:

(the joker in the Netherlands pack is what they decide to do with Groningen...)

Interesting. Simplistically, they need to decide how much gas to extract, because of concerns over the resulting earthquakes?

And Net Zero ambitions.

Can’t demand the world use less co2 to stop the country flooding when you’re busy drilling loads of gas.

Netherlands is uniquely exposed to rising sea levels

If I was a millionaire/billionaire I'd be reconsidering my UAE waterfront property options.
Just a pretty example. There are a multitude of populations at low sea level.

Isn't that an artist's impression? I didn't think they ended up that developed.

As I said, "Just a pretty example. There are a multitude of populations at low sea level.".

kingstongraham

There was this Maldives cabinet meeting:

pangolin

pblakeney said:

pangolin said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

ddraver said:

(the joker in the Netherlands pack is what they decide to do with Groningen...)

Interesting. Simplistically, they need to decide how much gas to extract, because of concerns over the resulting earthquakes?

And Net Zero ambitions.

Can’t demand the world use less co2 to stop the country flooding when you’re busy drilling loads of gas.

Netherlands is uniquely exposed to rising sea levels

If I was a millionaire/billionaire I'd be reconsidering my UAE waterfront property options.
Just a pretty example. There are a multitude of populations at low sea level.

Isn't that an artist's impression? I didn't think they ended up that developed.

As I said, "Just a pretty example. There are a multitude of populations at low sea level.".

It's an example of a civil engineering project that was canned. Rising sea levels would be pretty catastrophic for most of Dubai, especially the parts which exist.

rick_chasey

Oh, I didn't realise they built the majority of their country behind dams and created a whole new section of the country by building a gigantic dam and draining the water so they could live on the former seabed.

pblakeney

pangolin said:

pblakeney said:

pangolin said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

ddraver said:

(the joker in the Netherlands pack is what they decide to do with Groningen...)

Interesting. Simplistically, they need to decide how much gas to extract, because of concerns over the resulting earthquakes?

And Net Zero ambitions.

Can’t demand the world use less co2 to stop the country flooding when you’re busy drilling loads of gas.

Netherlands is uniquely exposed to rising sea levels

If I was a millionaire/billionaire I'd be reconsidering my UAE waterfront property options.
Just a pretty example. There are a multitude of populations at low sea level.

Isn't that an artist's impression? I didn't think they ended up that developed.

As I said, "Just a pretty example. There are a multitude of populations at low sea level.".

It's an example of a civil engineering project that was canned. Rising sea levels would be pretty catastrophic for most of Dubai, especially the parts which exist.

Thanks for reiterating my point.

rick_chasey

Anyway, aside from the truism is that pedantry gets more hits than anything else, (with the exception of posting a deliberate mistake and see the hoards descend to correct it), as much as we've heard lots of stories of Russians being frostbitten etc, I've not really seen any major Ukrainian counters to really shift the state of play.

shirley_basso

I guess it's more of a war of attrition which will grind down the Russians eventually as they can't seem restock and supply, yet the Ukranians have an endless supply of high tech weapons.

The Russians are more likely to withdraw through a negotiation rather than the Ukranians actually destroying their army and forcing a retreat.

rick_chasey

kingstongraham said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

ddraver said:

(the joker in the Netherlands pack is what they decide to do with Groningen...)

Interesting. Simplistically, they need to decide how much gas to extract, because of concerns over the resulting earthquakes?

And Net Zero ambitions.

Can’t demand the world use less co2 to stop the country flooding when you’re busy drilling loads of gas.

Netherlands is uniquely exposed to rising sea levels

If all you're doing is importing more, it doesn't really make much difference if you stop extracting it yourself.

Yeah agreed. That is the political rationale however, and there is a material green political movement in the Netherlands.

kingstongraham

It feels very much like Russia has already lost, even though it might take years to end. Going to be decades of rebuilding for absolutely no reason.

TheBigBean

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

ddraver said:

(the joker in the Netherlands pack is what they decide to do with Groningen...)

Interesting. Simplistically, they need to decide how much gas to extract, because of concerns over the resulting earthquakes?

And Net Zero ambitions.

Can’t demand the world use less co2 to stop the country flooding when you’re busy drilling loads of gas.

Netherlands is uniquely exposed to rising sea levels

If every house no longer has a connection to the gas grid would that reduce Netherlands' status in the civilised world?

pinno

"Up to 410 million people will be living in areas less than 2 metres above sea level, and at risk from sea level rises, unless global emissions are reduced, according to a new study."

#althoughpedantrysucks

First.Aspect

More coastal property becomes available?

shirley_basso

What do you think the net impact of supply will be? You'll lose a ton as well.

briantrumpet

rick_chasey said:

Anyway, aside from the truism is that pedantry gets more hits than anything else, (with the exception of posting a deliberate mistake and see the hoards descend to correct it), as much as we've heard lots of stories of Russians being frostbitten etc, I've not really seen any major Ukrainian counters to really shift the state of play.

Haha.

pinno

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

Anyway, aside from the truism is that pedantry gets more hits than anything else, (with the exception of posting a deliberate mistake and see the hoards descend to correct it), as much as we've heard lots of stories of Russians being frostbitten etc, I've not really seen any major Ukrainian counters to really shift the state of play.

Haha.

He did use the word 'unique' which is quite categorically wrong (and blinkered), so what did he think would happen?

pblakeney

First.Aspect said:

More coastal property becomes available?

Less but different surely?
#Itoohatepedantry 😉

pinno

'deliberate mistake'.
Loving it.

imposter2.0

rick_chasey said:

Oh, I didn't realise they built the majority of their country behind dams and created a whole new section of the country by building a gigantic dam and draining the water so they could live on the former seabed.

Is your real name Dominic Raab...?

MattFalle

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rick_chasey said:

Anyway, aside from the truisI've not really seen any major Ukrainian counters to really shift the state of play.

they've started goung in over the past 24 hours and pushing back into Crimea as well.

pinno

pblakeney said:

First.Aspect said:

More coastal property becomes available?

Less but different surely?
#Itoohatepedantry 😉

...and here in Cake stop, the first ever case of inverted NIMBYism.

john80

It would be somewhat amusing if Ukraine managed to drive them off Crimea. Knowing Russia's history the people forced to live under russian rule those in Crimea have probably not seen their standard of living improve.

ddraver

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

ddraver said:

(the joker in the Netherlands pack is what they decide to do with Groningen...)

Interesting. Simplistically, they need to decide how much gas to extract, because of concerns over the resulting earthquakes?

And Net Zero ambitions.

Can’t demand the world use less co2 to stop the country flooding when you’re busy drilling loads of gas.

Netherlands is uniquely exposed to rising sea levels

If all you're doing is importing more, it doesn't really make much difference if you stop extracting it yourself.

Yeah agreed. That is the political rationale however, and there is a material green political movement in the Netherlands.

Well, yes, but a lot that was decided last month is different now...

A lot of former dutch colleagues posting articles about how it needs to be rethought now. (Really very biased as they may be...)

ddraver

MattFalle said:

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rick_chasey said:

Anyway, aside from the truisI've not really seen any major Ukrainian counters to really shift the state of play.

they've started goung in over the past 24 hours and pushing back into Crimea as well.

BBC report last night was strongly suggesting that taking Mariupol and so completing a land bridge to Crimea and blocking off Ukraine's access to the Black Sea may be the aim (this time)

MattFalle

ddraver said:

MattFalle said:

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rick_chasey said:

Anyway, aside from the truisI've not really seen any major Ukrainian counters to really shift the state of play.

they've started goung in over the past 24 hours and pushing back into Crimea as well.

BBC report last night was strongly suggesting that taking Mariupol and so completing a land bridge to Crimea and blocking off Ukraine's access to the Black Sea may be the aim (this time)

seems strategically logical but could the russians actually do it?

craptroops
no logistics
a lot turning against them.....