How good is Chris Froome?

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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    keef_zip wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    keef_zip wrote:
    Not as good as Tom Pidcock might end up being once his career is finished.

    In this discussion I'm afraid there's always the Kenyan elephant in the room.

    Why so? The comparison is between the riders, not about their heritage.

    Indeed it is.
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  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    To the original question. He's good, very good. In fact he's 4 TDF and one Vuelta good. Doesn't that count for anything in this discussion?

    How many GT wins do you have? Compare him to yourself. He's in another league of talent for sure.


    Well this is excellent. Certainly no room for voices UNLESS YOU'VE WON GRAND TOURS

    I certainly wont ever voice a view on a pro cyclist, because after all I am not one. Nor will I voice a view about an MP, because after all HOW MANY VOTES HAVE I EVER GOT IN AN ELECTION

    jfc
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Hey it's just my down to earth view that you don't win that many top level races of you're not very good indeed. You can express views by all accounts but IMHO the evidence is there, he's good. All the rest just seems about arguing he's doped or cheating or something without evidence.

    It's my simple opinion that Froome being good has the evidence behind it in terms of his wins. That doesn't stop anyone discussing it til the end of forums if they wish.
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    ^Thank you, that's incredibly big and generous of you
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
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    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • larkim
    larkim Posts: 2,485
    silvergrenade wrote:
    Cycling should be made more exciting.
    Why?

    The sport is what it is. Is it really that important to the sport how exciting it is for spectators per se (yes, I know excitement breeds TV coverage / sponsorship / revenues)? But is any sport deserving of just be judged on whether it is exciting or not, or do we admire the skill / endurance / physicality in the way the sport is practiced.
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  • type:epyt
    type:epyt Posts: 766
    How good is he?

    I think we'll find out later this afternoon ... If he can win TT WC gold then there's not much left to prove on his (sick) bucket list ...
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,143
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    To the original question. He's good, very good. In fact he's 4 TDF and one Vuelta good. Doesn't that count for anything in this discussion?

    How many GT wins do you have? Compare him to yourself. He's in another league of talent for sure.

    So everyone who is better than me is in the same category? That's a lot of cyclists.
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    To the original question. He's good, very good. In fact he's 4 TDF and one Vuelta good. Doesn't that count for anything in this discussion?

    How many GT wins do you have? Compare him to yourself. He's in another league of talent for sure.

    So everyone who is better than me is in the same category? That's a lot of cyclists.


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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    silvergrenade wrote:
    IMO it wont be boring. Whatever little evidence we have of radio comm has been very positive.
    Anyway, it was one of the many things UCI/ASO can do to make it more interesting.
    I'd like to hear about peoples suggestions too on how it can be made so.. :D

    Too many sports have been ruined by people attempting to make them 'more interesting'. Leave things as they are and if you don't find it interesting maybe follow a sport that you do?

    Alternatively read Rapha books containing accounts of the same race in 20 years and you'll probably find it was exciting after all. Cycling hasn't changed - as Iain points out it's the way it is covered that has.
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    edited September 2017
    If he gets a podium it will be one hell of a year.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Keldermerckx should go well on this course.
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  • timothyw
    timothyw Posts: 2,482
    Crikey. Roll on a Dumoulin vs Froome GT.
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    ^Thank you, that's incredibly big and generous of you
    My pleasure! :D
  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    If he wins this Giro is he second only to Merckx?

    Remember, this is purely about Grand Tour ability.
  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Actually, you couldn't put him above Hinault yet.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Milton50 wrote:
    Actually, you couldn't put him above Hinault yet.
    As a Grand Tour rider I don't even put Merckx above Hinault
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  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Milton50 wrote:
    If he wins this Giro is he second only to Merckx?

    Remember, this is purely about Grand Tour ability.

    As rightly mentioned, Hinault is way above Froome. It also depends on what eras you're including. You've got Coppi and Anquetil, and Indurain and Contador in there more recently. And I say all that as a Froome fan.
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    How good is Chris Froome?

    Rubbish.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • JTUK
    JTUK Posts: 67
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    Milton50 wrote:
    If he wins this Giro is he second only to Merckx?

    Remember, this is purely about Grand Tour ability.

    As rightly mentioned, Hinault is way above Froome. It also depends on what eras you're including. You've got Coppi and Anquetil, and Indurain and Contador in there more recently. And I say all that as a Froome fan.

    Indurain and Contador tainted by the EPO era
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,652
    RichN95 wrote:
    Milton50 wrote:
    Actually, you couldn't put him above Hinault yet.
    As a Grand Tour rider I don't even put Merckx above Hinault

    Hmmm.... On the basis that aside from a DNF to injury he never came lower than 2nd? Or that he won multiple of each GT?

    Merckx has a GT more.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Milton50 wrote:
    Actually, you couldn't put him above Hinault yet.
    As a Grand Tour rider I don't even put Merckx above Hinault

    Hmmm.... On the basis that aside from a DNF to injury he never came lower than 2nd? Or that he won multiple of each GT?

    Merckx has a GT more.
    Rode 13, won 11, second twice (once to his teammate), DNF once (crashing while in yellow). And against better opposition than Merckx.
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  • tommasi
    tommasi Posts: 40
    RichN95 wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Milton50 wrote:
    Actually, you couldn't put him above Hinault yet.
    As a Grand Tour rider I don't even put Merckx above Hinault

    Hmmm.... On the basis that aside from a DNF to injury he never came lower than 2nd? Or that he won multiple of each GT?

    Merckx has a GT more.
    Rode 13, won 11, second twice (once to his teammate), DNF once (crashing while in yellow). And against better opposition than Merckx.

    That's 14.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    He’s not better than Armstrong yet.
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  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    He’s not better than Armstrong yet.

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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    tommasi wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Rode 13, won 11, second twice (once to his teammate), DNF once (crashing while in yellow). And against better opposition than Merckx.

    That's 14.
    Yes. He won ten. Merckx won 11.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,652
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    He’s not better than Armstrong yet.

    OK, I'll bite.

    Armstrong never won a Vuelta (one ride, finished 4th) or a Giro (one ride, finished 12th). Were his palmares to stand, we culd count him the greatest TdF rider ever, but relatively low on the greatest GT rider ever.

    Yes, I know Froome hasn't actually won the Giro yet.
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  • milemuncher1
    milemuncher1 Posts: 1,472
    Today’s performance in the Giro was pretty special. It was down to the team in no small part, but you still have to be able to use the advantage they give you, he sure did today.
  • silvergrenade
    silvergrenade Posts: 79
    Above The Cows wrote:
    How good is Chris Froome?

    Rubbish.
    Not really.. :D
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    If he finishes in the top two in Rome, only Merckx and Hinault will have more top two finishes in Grand Tours (Anquetil will be equal)
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