How good is Chris Froome?
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Anyway.
Things we can safely say.
Chris Froome is EASILY the best GT rider of this current generation.
He also has the genuine potential and ability to join the 5 Tours club. In fact, it's probably very likely he will.
So, all in all, he's pretty good.
And he could have easily won a couple more Vueltas too.0 -
Can you say that? Easily? There's certainly a decent case to be made for Contador (unless you consider him an earlier generation)Rick Chasey wrote:Anyway.
Things we can safely say.
Chris Froome is EASILY the best GT rider of this current generation.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Anyway.
Things we can safely say.
Chris Froome is EASILY the best GT rider of this current generation.
He also has the genuine potential and ability to join the 5 Tours club. In fact, it's probably very likely he will.
So, all in all, he's pretty good.
And he could have easily won a couple more Vueltas too.
Could easily be on 5 tours already
*runs for cover*It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
RichN95 wrote:
Can you say that? Easily? There's certainly a decent case to be made for Contador (unless you consider him an earlier generation)Rick Chasey wrote:Anyway.
Things we can safely say.
Chris Froome is EASILY the best GT rider of this current generation.
Yeah, I consider contador earlier generation.
Was winning Tours from '07-'10.0 -
Twitter: @RichN950
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Nonsense. If that were true no pro would ever blow up.RichN95 wrote:
All pros are rider B. They do this day in day out for years. The idea that they can't judge themselves without a computer is ludicrous. To use your analogy, even a person with a poor sense of direction doesn't need a sat nav to drive home from work.OCDuPalais wrote:Bertie is a Rider B.0 -
The one's that have power meters blow up to. Knowing you limits is not guarantee that you will keep to them, or even should all the time.OCDuPalais wrote:
Nonsense. If that were true no pro would ever blow up.RichN95 wrote:
All pros are rider B. They do this day in day out for years. The idea that they can't judge themselves without a computer is ludicrous. To use your analogy, even a person with a poor sense of direction doesn't need a sat nav to drive home from work.OCDuPalais wrote:Bertie is a Rider B.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Of course - but my previous comment was a response to the complaint that power meters (and the evil Team Sky who rely on them so heavily to kill off all exciting attacks) detract from racing; and the idea that Froome is somehow dependent on his in order to race.RichN95 wrote:
The one's that have power meters blow up to. Knowing you limits is not guarantee that you will keep to them, or even should all the time.OCDuPalais wrote:
Nonsense. If that were true no pro would ever blow up.RichN95 wrote:
All pros are rider B. They do this day in day out for years. The idea that they can't judge themselves without a computer is ludicrous. To use your analogy, even a person with a poor sense of direction doesn't need a sat nav to drive home from work.OCDuPalais wrote:Bertie is a Rider B.
If, as you assert, all pros were so supremely able to assess their performance throughout a race then there'd be no demand or claimed need for power meters.0 -
Blimey! Saying power meters make a difference is tantamount believing in the existence of white Giraffes!!??0
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FocusZing wrote:Blimey! Saying power meters make a difference is tantamount believing in the existence of white Giraffes!!??
I believe!!0 -
Christ! That's the last time I stick my neck out.0
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It's a bit of a tall story for me.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0
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Salsiccia1 wrote:It's a bit of a tall story for me.
Yeah, but unfortunately the story has legs.0 -
Sky use Stages which by many accounts are hugely inaccurate so you might have a giraffe at some of the readings they get.0
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OCDuPalais wrote:[Of course - but my previous comment was a response to the complaint that power meters (and the evil Team Sky who rely on them so heavily to kill off all exciting attacks) detract from racing; and the idea that Froome is somehow dependent on his in order to race.
If, as you assert, all pros were so supremely able to assess their performance throughout a race then there'd be no demand or claimed need for power meters.
How do you know that Sky rely so heavily on power meters? It's pure conjecture.0 -
Power meters are probably pretty good when you're fresh but at the end of a 3 week grand tour you'd just be looking at it thinking "bloody hell I'm dying here and I'm only doing X watts".0
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underlayunderlay wrote:Salsiccia1 wrote:It's a bit of a tall story for me.
Yeah, but unfortunately the story has legs.0 -
SecretSqirrel wrote:underlayunderlay wrote:Salsiccia1 wrote:It's a bit of a tall story for me.
Yeah, but unfortunately the story has legs.
Aw.. a pic of Froome honouring the source of his lion pride's next meal.
Perhaps he might keep the neck to lay across the base of his breezy Monaco gaff's French windows as giraffe excluder.
I'll get me goat...0 -
Dorset Boy wrote:Sky use Stages which by many accounts are hugely inaccurate so you might have a giraffe at some of the readings they get.
I've got a Stages and it's a bit rubbish, power readings keep dropping out so the numbers are pretty meaningless. It's going back to the shop. My 8 year old Powertap has never missed a beat0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:RichN95 wrote:
Can you say that? Easily? There's certainly a decent case to be made for Contador (unless you consider him an earlier generation)Rick Chasey wrote:Anyway.
Things we can safely say.
Chris Froome is EASILY the best GT rider of this current generation.
Yeah, I consider contador earlier generation.
Was winning Tours from '07-'10.
But you've said Grand Tours. Contador has won them from 2007 to 2015.0 -
Meh *shrugs*.
I see them as different eras.
And tbh, even when they crossed over, Chris pretty comprehensively beat Contador.0 -
Any grand tour victory is a great accomplishment.greasedscotsman wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:RichN95 wrote:
Can you say that? Easily? There's certainly a decent case to be made for Contador (unless you consider him an earlier generation)Rick Chasey wrote:Anyway.
Things we can safely say.
Chris Froome is EASILY the best GT rider of this current generation.
Yeah, I consider contador earlier generation.
Was winning Tours from '07-'10.
But you've said Grand Tours. Contador has won them from 2007 to 2015.
But you surely can't deny that it is the Tour de France that is the greatest of those accomplishments - the one that holds the highest prestige within and outside the sport, as well as the greatest financial reward - prize money this year was half a million Euros for GC at the tour versus 150,000 for the Vuelta and just over 200,000 euros for the Giro.
Contador is only on the books for having won the tour twice. On his third, he got popped for Clenbuterol, and he hasn't come close since. Hasn't even made the podium.
Even if you think that result should have stood, Froome is still one better than him at the tour and you could make a similar argument that without team orders and a puncture Froome would be on 5 TDF wins already.
I'm with Rick on this one.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Meh *shrugs*.
I see them as different eras.
And tbh, even when they crossed over, Chris pretty comprehensively beat Contador.
Why do you keep saying "Chris" instead of "Froome"? It's weird. I doubt very much that you and he are close personal friends or something0 -
r0bh wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Meh *shrugs*.
I see them as different eras.
And tbh, even when they crossed over, Chris pretty comprehensively beat Contador.
Why do you keep saying "Chris" instead of "Froome"? It's weird. I doubt very much that you and he are close personal friends or something
My phone auto correct doesn't like the word "Froome" for some bizarre reason. Turns it into "drown".0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Meh *shrugs*.
I see them as different eras.
And tbh, even when they crossed over, Chris pretty comprehensively beat Contador.
I'm not sure I get this whole "greatest of their generation" thing. I would have thought you could just compare their ages. Only a couple of years between them, so they are of the same generation. Or when they rode as a pro. Contador from 2003 until 2017, Froome from 2007. That's a big enough overlap, isn't it?
But then who is the best? As Timothy W says, depends on if you consider all the races to be the same or not.0 -
Never go by age. Andy Schleck is younger than Chris Froome. His last pro win was before Froome's first.greasedscotsman wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Meh *shrugs*.
I see them as different eras.
And tbh, even when they crossed over, Chris pretty comprehensively beat Contador.
I'm not sure I get this whole "greatest of their generation" thing. I would have thought you could just compare their ages. Only a couple of years between them, so they are of the same generation.Twitter: @RichN950 -
So is it career overlap then? Schleck rode as a pro from 2005 until 2014, that's a 7 year overlap with Froome. Is that enough?
Or maybe it's something else. Can someone point me at the chart or table to work all this out.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:r0bh wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Meh *shrugs*.
I see them as different eras.
And tbh, even when they crossed over, Chris pretty comprehensively beat Contador.
Why do you keep saying "Chris" instead of "Froome"? It's weird. I doubt very much that you and he are close personal friends or something
My phone auto correct doesn't like the word "Froome" for some bizarre reason. Turns it into "drown".
So RR2 is the voice of Siri ...Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it.0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:So is it career overlap then? Schleck rode as a pro from 2005 until 2014, that's a 7 year overlap with Froome. Is that enough?
Or maybe it's something else. Can someone point me at the chart or table to work all this out.
well it's moot, since i think we can all agree that Froome is better than Schleck
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