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  • Bo Duke
    Bo Duke Posts: 1,058
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Whatcha got for me Bo? A Kirby quote?
    Sorry mate I didn't realise you'd replied. No I haven't got anything for you. Can't be bothered to tell you the truth, you're way, way too intense to see outside your own opinion.
    'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP
  • Lookyhere
    Lookyhere Posts: 987
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Osborne reckons he's going to cut corporation tax to 15% to try and preserve investment.
    It was already announced in the last budget that it was going down to 17%.

    everything he has said he would do, has been scrapped, given he is likely to be replaced by the new PM, who cares what he says?
    Germany's (total CT) is 30% and hasnt hindered their economy, there is obviously more to inward investment than just CT.

    Leadsom is looking strong, her promise to implement Brexit sooner than anyone else, should garner support from the 75% of tories who voted Brexit (against their PM's wishes) and means Corp tax might need to be even lower :lol:
    Because if it is passed into law in a budget while he is still Chancellor then it is likely to happen - like the drops to 19% and 17%; not yet in force but on the statutes.

    Agree BTW that there is more to it than the CT rate but the evidence I have seen shows it does positively impact investment and jobs. Also I have led a project that did exactly that, driven by the competitive UK CT rate.

    How do you know that Germanys economy would not have done better with a more competitive tax rate?

    we dont know but given their gdp is over a trillion usd bigger than ours and German goods are known and exported around the world, maybe it hasnt been the deal breaker you suggest? we have attracted much inward invest due to a competitive CT but also because of our membership of the EU and i am not arguing for it not to be cut further, i just think that we need a industry policy worthy of the name.

    what has been laid in statute can be removed and by the time of the Autumn statement, GO may well be gone... hang on breaking news... he has just resigned lol!
  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    Theresa May announced her intention to end the commitment to a surplus by 2020 the day before Osborne announced the same. Either Osborne is taking his cue from May or the idea had already been discussed in cabinet and May announced it first. It may also signal that May is the preferred candidate for no.s 10 and 11.

    Cabinets have a habit of shrinking the decision making team to the core players in times of crisis, and May is likely to be part of that core (eg. PM, Chancellor, Foreign Sec, Home Sec). Cameron and Osborne could well be planning to drip feed announcements in a way that makes May look like the continuity/stability candidate.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,813
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Osborne reckons he's going to cut corporation tax to 15% to try and preserve investment.
    It was already announced in the last budget that it was going down to 17%.

    everything he has said he would do, has been scrapped, given he is likely to be replaced by the new PM, who cares what he says?
    Germany's (total CT) is 30% and hasnt hindered their economy, there is obviously more to inward investment than just CT.

    Leadsom is looking strong, her promise to implement Brexit sooner than anyone else, should garner support from the 75% of tories who voted Brexit (against their PM's wishes) and means Corp tax might need to be even lower :lol:
    Because if it is passed into law in a budget while he is still Chancellor then it is likely to happen - like the drops to 19% and 17%; not yet in force but on the statutes.

    Agree BTW that there is more to it than the CT rate but the evidence I have seen shows it does positively impact investment and jobs. Also I have led a project that did exactly that, driven by the competitive UK CT rate.

    How do you know that Germanys economy would not have done better with a more competitive tax rate?

    we dont know but given their gdp is over a trillion usd bigger than ours and German goods are known and exported around the world, maybe it hasnt been the deal breaker you suggest? we have attracted much inward invest due to a competitive CT but also because of our membership of the EU and i am not arguing for it not to be cut further, i just think that we need a industry policy worthy of the name.

    what has been laid in statute can be removed and by the time of the Autumn statement, GO may well be gone... hang on breaking news... he has just resigned lol!
    Err, their GDP is approx. 750bn higher - or around 25% more than the UK
    http://statisticstimes.com/economy/countries-by-projected-gdp.php

    Coincidentally, their population is approx. 25% more than ours...
    http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/most-populous-countries.html

    So they are as successful as we are :wink:

    Not sure how paying more tax to the government leaves German companies with more funds for R&D though? Which you have said is important here.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    Depends how you measure. If you do it by nominal GDP, then the 2 countries are fairly close together, but if you do it by GDP PPP, then Germany is actually over a trillion ahead, so Lookyhere and Stevo, you're both right and you can both have a sticker.

    http://statisticstimes.com/economy/coun ... dp-ppp.php
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,813
    finchy wrote:
    Depends how you measure. If you do it by nominal GDP, then the 2 countries are fairly close together, but if you do it by GDP PPP, then Germany is actually over a trillion ahead, so Lookyhere and Stevo, you're both right and you can both have a sticker.

    http://statisticstimes.com/economy/coun ... dp-ppp.php
    The absolute GDP numbers stand on their own. Now let him answer and resist jumping in with academic points that you think will earn you a sticker :wink:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    The different measurements are used for different purposes. In terms of straight comparisons to see which economy is bigger, you use nominal GDP per capita. If you are looking at how it might affect living standards, PPP is more useful.

    Nominal GDP is also far more volatile as the effects of exchange rates are far greater. So Britain's nominal GDP will have taken a massive hit since the Brexit vote, but PPP won't be as badly affected, because of course we don't import all of our goods and services.

    Anyway, I'm giving out stickers around here. Do you want one with a tractor, train or cement mixer on it?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Osborne reckons he's going to cut corporation tax to 15% to try and preserve investment.
    It was already announced in the last budget that it was going down to 17%.

    everything he has said he would do, has been scrapped, given he is likely to be replaced by the new PM, who cares what he says?
    Germany's (total CT) is 30% and hasnt hindered their economy, there is obviously more to inward investment than just CT.

    Leadsom is looking strong, her promise to implement Brexit sooner than anyone else, should garner support from the 75% of tories who voted Brexit (against their PM's wishes) and means Corp tax might need to be even lower :lol:
    Because if it is passed into law in a budget while he is still Chancellor then it is likely to happen - like the drops to 19% and 17%; not yet in force but on the statutes.

    Agree BTW that there is more to it than the CT rate but the evidence I have seen shows it does positively impact investment and jobs. Also I have led a project that did exactly that, driven by the competitive UK CT rate.

    How do you know that Germanys economy would not have done better with a more competitive tax rate?

    we dont know but given their gdp is over a trillion usd bigger than ours and German goods are known and exported around the world, maybe it hasnt been the deal breaker you suggest? we have attracted much inward invest due to a competitive CT but also because of our membership of the EU and i am not arguing for it not to be cut further, i just think that we need a industry policy worthy of the name.

    what has been laid in statute can be removed and by the time of the Autumn statement, GO may well be gone... hang on breaking news... he has just resigned lol!
    Err, their GDP is approx. 750bn higher - or around 25% more than the UK
    http://statisticstimes.com/economy/countries-by-projected-gdp.php

    Coincidentally, their population is approx. 25% more than ours...
    http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/most-populous-countries.html

    So they are as successful as we are :wink:

    Not sure how paying more tax to the government leaves German companies with more funds for R&D though? Which you have said is important here.

    I presume those figures were taken pre-referendum?

    In which case knock 10% off the UK figure.
    _
  • Lookyhere
    Lookyhere Posts: 987
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Osborne reckons he's going to cut corporation tax to 15% to try and preserve investment.
    It was already announced in the last budget that it was going down to 17%.

    everything he has said he would do, has been scrapped, given he is likely to be replaced by the new PM, who cares what he says?
    Germany's (total CT) is 30% and hasnt hindered their economy, there is obviously more to inward investment than just CT.

    Agree BTW that there is more to it than the CT rate but the evidence I have seen shows it does positively impact investment and jobs. Also I have led a project that did exactly that, driven by the competitive UK CT rate.

    How do you know that Germanys economy would not have done better with a more competitive tax rate?

    we dont know but given their gdp is over a trillion usd bigger than ours and German goods are known and exported around the world, maybe it hasnt been the deal breaker you suggest? we have attracted much inward invest due to a competitive CT but also because of our membership of the EU and i am not arguing for it not to be cut further, i just think that we need a industry policy worthy of the name.

    Err, their GDP is approx. 750bn higher - or around 25% more than the UK
    http://statisticstimes.com/economy/countries-by-projected-gdp.php

    Coincidentally, their population is approx. 25% more than ours...
    http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/most-populous-countries.html

    So they are as successful as we are :wink:

    Not sure how paying more tax to the government leaves German companies with more funds for R&D though? Which you have said is important here.

    You cant compare our GDP and say they are similar by quoting the population difference but then ignore PPP.

    unfortunately, our GDP is forecast to fall, theirs is set to rise.

    i never said or implied higher CT allows more money for RnD, though it hasnt stopped Germany being a manufacturing and exporting power house in comparison to the UK economy which is based on services and London, all of which could be hit very hard by brexit.

    anyway, is T May's position on EU migrant status in the UK a master class in pre negotiation skills or an own goal as essential workers in NHS wonder what the heck they are doing here?
    Personally, i think she is setting out her stall that leaving the EU is fraught with danger and as most of the OUT electorate based their vote on immigration fears, well, it is then obvious that EU migrants cannot be given a cast iron guarantee to stay - cant have your cake and eat it.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Osborne reckons he's going to cut corporation tax to 15% to try and preserve investment.
    It was already announced in the last budget that it was going down to 17%.

    everything he has said he would do, has been scrapped, given he is likely to be replaced by the new PM, who cares what he says?
    Germany's (total CT) is 30% and hasnt hindered their economy, there is obviously more to inward investment than just CT.

    Agree BTW that there is more to it than the CT rate but the evidence I have seen shows it does positively impact investment and jobs. Also I have led a project that did exactly that, driven by the competitive UK CT rate.

    How do you know that Germanys economy would not have done better with a more competitive tax rate?

    we dont know but given their gdp is over a trillion usd bigger than ours and German goods are known and exported around the world, maybe it hasnt been the deal breaker you suggest? we have attracted much inward invest due to a competitive CT but also because of our membership of the EU and i am not arguing for it not to be cut further, i just think that we need a industry policy worthy of the name.

    Err, their GDP is approx. 750bn higher - or around 25% more than the UK
    http://statisticstimes.com/economy/countries-by-projected-gdp.php

    Coincidentally, their population is approx. 25% more than ours...
    http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/most-populous-countries.html

    So they are as successful as we are :wink:

    Not sure how paying more tax to the government leaves German companies with more funds for R&D though? Which you have said is important here.

    You cant compare our GDP and say they are similar by quoting the population difference but then ignore PPP.

    unfortunately, our GDP is forecast to fall, theirs is set to rise.

    i never said or implied higher CT allows more money for RnD, though it hasnt stopped Germany being a manufacturing and exporting power house in comparison to the UK economy which is based on services and London, all of which could be hit very hard by brexit.

    anyway, is T May's position on EU migrant status in the UK a master class in pre negotiation skills or an own goal as essential workers in NHS wonder what the heck they are doing here?
    Personally, i think she is setting out her stall that leaving the EU is fraught with danger and as most of the OUT electorate based their vote on immigration fears, well, it is then obvious that EU migrants cannot be given a cast iron guarantee to stay - cant have your cake and eat it.

    If you read the full transcript then she is saying that if you announce that all EU migrants here at point of Brexit can stay then you risk a stampede to get in before you swing the door shut.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    Surrey Commuter wrote:

    If you read the full transcript then she is saying that if you announce that all EU migrants here at point of Brexit can stay then you risk a stampede to get in before you swing the door shut.

    That is based on the largely wrong assumption that EU folks still have an appetite for Britain. I think that appetite ended on the 23rd of June.

    I take the opportunity to express my feelings about the all matter... can I just say that the expression "should be allowed to stay" is racist and deeply offensive? It implies there is a US and THEM, with a different set of human rights, which in essence is the root of racism

    Rant over...
    left the forum March 2023
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,025
    Then you are saying that to discriminate based on passport and nationality is racist e.g. any immigration controls whatsoever. It might be, and I would really like free movement across the world, but it is not an approach that is in vogue.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Then you are saying that to discriminate based on passport and nationality is racist e.g. any immigration controls whatsoever. It might be, and I would really like free movement across the world, but it is not an approach that is in vogue.

    It's the language... "should be allowed to stay"... we are not talking bout a bunch of gypsies occupying the green belt, we are talking about nurses, teachers, bricklayers... it's not about being allowed to stay, it's about being fuxxing screwed if they leave. Bargaining chips? What the fucx are they talking about?
    left the forum March 2023
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,025
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Then you are saying that to discriminate based on passport and nationality is racist e.g. any immigration controls whatsoever. It might be, and I would really like free movement across the world, but it is not an approach that is in vogue.

    It's the language... "should be allowed to stay"... we are not talking bout a bunch of gypsies occupying the green belt, we are talking about nurses, teachers, bricklayers... it's not about being allowed to stay, it's about being fuxxing screwed if they leave. Bargaining chips? What the fucx are they talking about?

    To me, you've just been very racist.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    TheBigBean wrote:

    To me, you've just been very racist.

    Fair enough...
    left the forum March 2023
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    well it looks like we have Gove/Leadson on a ticket of Leave means Leave!! which seems to mean no compromise and straight to standard WTO terms and presumably try and negotiate better terms for specific sectors over the forthcoming decades.

    Theresa May seems to be more open to a position that would allow a Norway style agreement.

    This means that this great exercise in democracy will be decided by 150,000 members of the Tory Party.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    well it looks like we have Gove/Leadson on a ticket of Leave means Leave!! which seems to mean no compromise and straight to standard WTO terms and presumably try and negotiate better terms for specific sectors over the forthcoming decades.

    Theresa May seems to be more open to a position that would allow a Norway style agreement.

    This means that this great exercise in democracy will be decided by 150,000 members of the Tory Party.

    Key point highlighted.

    Everything they're saying at the moment is designed to appeal to the most true blue dyed in the wool Conservatives in the country.

    What they say when they actually become PM is a different matter.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    well it looks like we have Gove/Leadson on a ticket of Leave means Leave!! which seems to mean no compromise and straight to standard WTO terms and presumably try and negotiate better terms for specific sectors over the forthcoming decades.

    Theresa May seems to be more open to a position that would allow a Norway style agreement.

    This means that this great exercise in democracy will be decided by 150,000 members of the Tory Party.

    Key point highlighted.

    Everything they're saying at the moment is designed to appeal to the most true blue dyed in the wool Conservatives in the country.

    What they say when they actually become PM is a different matter.

    I should have said that going past the soundbites this seems to be the consensus of what they believe in
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,813
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Osborne reckons he's going to cut corporation tax to 15% to try and preserve investment.
    It was already announced in the last budget that it was going down to 17%.

    everything he has said he would do, has been scrapped, given he is likely to be replaced by the new PM, who cares what he says?
    Germany's (total CT) is 30% and hasnt hindered their economy, there is obviously more to inward investment than just CT.

    Leadsom is looking strong, her promise to implement Brexit sooner than anyone else, should garner support from the 75% of tories who voted Brexit (against their PM's wishes) and means Corp tax might need to be even lower :lol:
    Because if it is passed into law in a budget while he is still Chancellor then it is likely to happen - like the drops to 19% and 17%; not yet in force but on the statutes.

    Agree BTW that there is more to it than the CT rate but the evidence I have seen shows it does positively impact investment and jobs. Also I have led a project that did exactly that, driven by the competitive UK CT rate.

    How do you know that Germanys economy would not have done better with a more competitive tax rate?

    we dont know but given their gdp is over a trillion usd bigger than ours and German goods are known and exported around the world, maybe it hasnt been the deal breaker you suggest? we have attracted much inward invest due to a competitive CT but also because of our membership of the EU and i am not arguing for it not to be cut further, i just think that we need a industry policy worthy of the name.

    what has been laid in statute can be removed and by the time of the Autumn statement, GO may well be gone... hang on breaking news... he has just resigned lol!
    Err, their GDP is approx. 750bn higher - or around 25% more than the UK
    http://statisticstimes.com/economy/countries-by-projected-gdp.php

    Coincidentally, their population is approx. 25% more than ours...
    http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/most-populous-countries.html

    So they are as successful as we are :wink:

    Not sure how paying more tax to the government leaves German companies with more funds for R&D though? Which you have said is important here.

    I presume those figures were taken pre-referendum?

    In which case knock 10% off the UK figure.
    Of course - there has been no time to take a post referendum sample.

    The forecast I have seen from banks and other 'professional' forecasters says between 3% and 8% lower than would have been the case if we had not left - not that much lower than now. Still not good, but the last FY17 forecasts were for reduced growth rather than recession.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Post referendum UK is now 6th biggest economy behind France who is now 5th.
    _
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    And then there were 4. Fox first to be eliminated, didn't even go to deadlock and get sent back to the public to decide.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,813
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Post referendum UK is now 6th biggest economy behind France who is now 5th.
    Exchange rates can and will move. If I had posted we had overtaken France as the 5th largest economy when sterling was stronger there would probably be a queue of people on here claiming it was only down to exchange rates. Hopefully you will celebrate when it moves back?

    It is looking like some people on here are almost taking pleasure in being negative so they can say 'I told you so'...
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Pross wrote:
    And then there were 4. Fox first to be eliminated, didn't even go to deadlock and get sent back to the public to decide.

    And then there were 3 as Crabb steps down
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    And then there were 4. Fox first to be eliminated, didn't even go to deadlock and get sent back to the public to decide.

    And then there were 3 as Crabb steps down

    Promised a high profile role by ne of the others?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,813
    Lookyhere wrote:
    unfortunately, our GDP is forecast to fall, theirs is set to rise.

    i never said or implied higher CT allows more money for RnD, though it hasnt stopped Germany being a manufacturing and exporting power house in comparison to the UK economy which is based on services and London, all of which could be hit very hard by brexit
    Our GDP growth is set to rise more slowly according to the latest forecasts I have seen from organisations who do this for a living.

    Sure, we would like to have a stronger manufacturing sector like Germany, just as Germany would like to have a strong financial sector like ours. I was speaking to a contact in our principal bankers (big high street name): he did not see a big threat to his organisation from BREXIT as they already had presences in Europe so the key issue of passporting was not a major threat. They might have to move some jobs to the continent but it was small compared to recent job cuts in the name of efficiency and cost cutting.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Bo Duke
    Bo Duke Posts: 1,058
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Post referendum UK is now 6th biggest economy behind France who is now 5th.
    Exchange rates can and will move. If I had posted we had overtaken France as the 5th largest economy when sterling was stronger there would probably be a queue of people on here claiming it was only down to exchange rates. Hopefully you will celebrate when it moves back?

    It is looking like some people on here are almost taking pleasure in being negative so they can say 'I told you so'...
    These are the real 'Little Englanders' who enjoy wallowing in their own misery.

    A man walks up to two brickies on a building site and asks 'what are you building?'
    The first replies 'a wall' the second 'a cathedral'.
    Go figure.
    'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP
  • RideOnTime
    RideOnTime Posts: 4,712
    Do we need to send a message to David Miliband.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Pross wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    And then there were 4. Fox first to be eliminated, didn't even go to deadlock and get sent back to the public to decide.

    And then there were 3 as Crabb steps down

    Promised a high profile role by ne of the others?

    Or realised just how much praying he will need to do
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Bo Duke wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Post referendum UK is now 6th biggest economy behind France who is now 5th.
    Exchange rates can and will move. If I had posted we had overtaken France as the 5th largest economy when sterling was stronger there would probably be a queue of people on here claiming it was only down to exchange rates. Hopefully you will celebrate when it moves back?

    It is looking like some people on here are almost taking pleasure in being negative so they can say 'I told you so'...
    These are the real 'Little Englanders' who enjoy wallowing in their own misery.

    A man walks up to two brickies on a building site and asks 'what are you building?'
    The first replies 'a wall' the second 'a cathedral'.
    Go figure.

    Little Englander = British nationalist
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    It is looking like some people on here are almost taking pleasure in being negative so they can say 'I told you so'...

    100% agree with you. This board in particular is like a negative spiral 'cheer led' by a few 'remoaners'

    It snippets like this that continue to give me the confidence Brexit is the right decision:
    Now here's an interesting factoid - the Berlin Stock Exchange (or Borse Berlin, if you please) employs more people in London than it does in Berlin.

    So what will happen to them post-Brexit? Chief executive Artur Fischer tells Today: "I will always be where my customers are. The uncertainty about what's going to happen is everywhere in the City. My reassurance is I will be there where the customers are and I believe London has so much to offer that I'm confident that in the future we will still continue to operate out of London."

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