Transfers 2017 : Rumours and fact

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  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    ddraver wrote:
    That ex-Astana press bloke has been constantly tweeting that Sagan will be at Sky next year.

    Not sure I believe him really...


    The only way is if little Jimmy Murdoch decides Sagz is a Must-Have Trophy

    And Murdoch and Darroch are obsessed with the Tour way beyond anything else
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    That ex-Astana press bloke has been constantly tweeting that Sagan will be at Sky next year.

    Not sure I believe him really...


    The only way is if little Jimmy Murdoch decides Sagz is a Must-Have Trophy

    And Murdoch and Darroch are obsessed with the Tour way beyond anything else

    Can't see it happening.

    Is he definitely leaving Tinkoff/Brand X at the end of the year? If not, a lot will depend on who takes over the Tinkoff sponsorship, and if he's got any sense he'll hang on to see how that pans out. A big sponsor might be willing to pay $$ to keep him on board.
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Bet brailsford would bloody love to have Sagan in the team.
    _
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Bet brailsford would bloody love to have Sagan in the team.

    Apart from the PR disaster it would be. Money money money.

    And upsetting all the other classics riders at Sky.

    And enforcing another objective for the Tour.

    Sagan to Sky would be foolish.
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    I view Sagan as being pretty well uncoachable too
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,727
    He would be an issue for Sky PR too (though I ve never really seen Sky's PR as an issue)
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Everyone loves a project.

    Which DS wouldn't want Sagan in their team?
    _
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Joelsim wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Bet brailsford would bloody love to have Sagan in the team.

    Apart from the PR disaster it would be. Money money money.

    And upsetting all the other classics riders at Sky.

    And enforcing another objective for the Tour.

    Sagan to Sky would be foolish.

    All of this. It'd pan out worse than the year Cav was on Sky.
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,727
    ...which was Cav's last good year...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,264
    ddraver wrote:
    ...which was Cav's last good year...
    2013 was pretty decent too.
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,110
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:
    Of course he won't be without a ride, but by hawking that price tag might he be stopping potential teams from even bothering to make a bid...

    I'm sure his agent isn't as daft as all that.

    Ever heard the story about Seth Johnson and his agent negotiating with Peter Risdale at Leeds United? Agent goes in looking for 5k a week, Risdale opens with "We won't go a penny over 17!" He walked out with 22.
    .

    Yes I have heard that - can't confirm the figures but apparently the gist of it is true - 20k these days seems like small change though doesn't it.
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,110
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Sep doesn't win enough for Quick Step. They have both Terpstra and Stybar for Sep's style of ride. They'd have picked him up post Garmin otherwise.

    Patrick wants Degenkolb and will have some cash to burn once Boonen retires.

    That makes sense to me - if they are going to be a classics team they need a big dog to replace Boonen not another biggish dog. Stybar et al may be able to step up as may Sep but Degenkolb is a proven winner and with his finishing speed gives them a weapon to convert making the final split into wins.
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  • Shadowrider
    Shadowrider Posts: 483
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Bet brailsford would bloody love to have Sagan in the team.

    Apart from the PR disaster it would be. Money money money.

    And upsetting all the other classics riders at Sky.

    And enforcing another objective for the Tour.

    Sagan to Sky would be foolish.

    All of this. It'd pan out worse than the year Cav was on Sky.

    Is that the year where he won Krunne, 6 grand tour stages and a raft of other races including his first ever GC? He had a terrible year that year.

    Of course Sky would want Sagan, who wouldn't, but don't see it happening.
  • arnuf
    arnuf Posts: 98
    Specialized wants him at Quickstep.
  • philbar72
    philbar72 Posts: 2,229
    ddraver wrote:
    ...which was Cav's last good year...
    rubbish. he's changed as a rider. to take account of his retraining at sky for the Olympics 2012. any one that takes 15 or so wins at world tour level is hardly a failure or not as good...
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Shadowrider wrote:
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Bet brailsford would bloody love to have Sagan in the team.

    Apart from the PR disaster it would be. Money money money.

    And upsetting all the other classics riders at Sky.

    And enforcing another objective for the Tour.

    Sagan to Sky would be foolish.

    All of this. It'd pan out worse than the year Cav was on Sky.

    Is that the year where he won Krunne, 6 grand tour stages and a raft of other races including his first ever GC? He had a terrible year that year.

    Of course Sky would want Sagan, who wouldn't, but don't see it happening.

    Touche :D

    He was absolutely at the top of his game that year, and arguably would have won more with the support he was used to. And there were obvious tensions about priorities, which is why he ended up at Omega Pharma 2 years early.
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,727
    philbar72 wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    ...which was Cav's last good year...
    rubbish. he's changed as a rider. to take account of his retraining at sky for the Olympics 2012. any one that takes 15 or so wins at world tour level is hardly a failure or not as good...

    Look at the palmares on wikipedia and pick which year you'd prefer...

    The curve was obviously downward the moment he left Sky
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • wombly_knees
    wombly_knees Posts: 657
    DeVlaeminck wrote:
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:
    Of course he won't be without a ride, but by hawking that price tag might he be stopping potential teams from even bothering to make a bid...

    I'm sure his agent isn't as daft as all that.

    Ever heard the story about Seth Johnson and his agent negotiating with Peter Risdale at Leeds United? Agent goes in looking for 5k a week, Risdale opens with "We won't go a penny over 17!" He walked out with 22.
    .

    Yes I have heard that - can't confirm the figures but apparently the gist of it is true - 20k these days seems like small change though doesn't it.
    He was closer to double that, iirc. Think Ridsdale denied negotiations took place that way. Then again, he would....
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    ddraver wrote:
    philbar72 wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    ...which was Cav's last good year...
    rubbish. he's changed as a rider. to take account of his retraining at sky for the Olympics 2012. any one that takes 15 or so wins at world tour level is hardly a failure or not as good...

    Look at the palmares on wikipedia and pick which year you'd prefer...

    The curve was obviously downward the moment he left Sky

    One word: Kittel
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,727
    True enough

    However what has bothered me about it is that EQS hardly ever put together a proper lead out for him over those 3 years. With Kittel at Scheldeprijs last week they executed perfectly - proper HTC perfectly. Did it really take them 3 years to develop a lead out team or does the sprinter and the back have something to do with it?

    It's a similar question to the "Why does the in-form sprinter never get boxed in" question...

    I've spent the last 3 years hoping that we'd get a few more races of vintage Cav but it's not happened yet.
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • philbar72
    philbar72 Posts: 2,229
    ddraver wrote:
    philbar72 wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    ...which was Cav's last good year...
    rubbish. he's changed as a rider. to take account of his retraining at sky for the Olympics 2012. any one that takes 15 or so wins at world tour level is hardly a failure or not as good...

    Look at the palmares on wikipedia and pick which year you'd prefer...

    The curve was obviously downward the moment he left Sky

    after they detrained his sprint but made him a better timetriallist (to get up box 9 times at 4 mins 40 ish for the Olympic route). that's gotta effect your ability/ results. also the team at Quickstep was transitional and they never got it to work properly like his HTC team.

    he's on a slight downward curve, but still remains a phenomenal rider for me.
  • philbar72
    philbar72 Posts: 2,229
    anyway, theres a bit of a groundswell around Sagan to Etixx. looks like specialized want him big time and will pay the $$$
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Oof. That'd be unstoppable come spring.
    _
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Too many chiefs. I think they'd have to chop some of their other one-day big names to fit him in. I'd expect to see at least a couple out of Terpstra, Stybar and Dan Martin looking elsewhere if that comes off.
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    Of course if Specialized really want him then they could also sign him to Astana...
  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    dish_dash wrote:
    Of course if Specialized really want him then they could also sign him to Astana...

    Especially if Nibali is leaving (which he should, imo)
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  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    The_Boy wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:
    Of course if Specialized really want him then they could also sign him to Astana...

    Especially if Nibali is leaving (which he should, imo)

    I'm surprised he's still there, what with the crap he was getting off Vino last year and the rise of Aru. I thought he'd go a year early to somewhere like Lampre.

    As for Sagan, I think he'd be mental to go there. Astana is toxic.
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,445
    Who're trek getting to replace Cancellara? Must be a few pennies free...
  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    Looking at some of the riders who's contracts are up at the end of the year, and it it could be a buyer's market*.

    *usual disclaimer about a lot of those names having deals more-or-less agreed with current teams, etc.
    Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,264
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Who're trek getting to replace Cancellara? Must be a few pennies free...
    Vanmarcke is the current tip
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